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Minister for Agriculture attends 81-person golf event in breach of health guidelines

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  • #3092
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,666 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Why would someone leave essential work documents somewhere for 10 days and then need them just before a golfing weekend where there's not much chance of getting any work done?

    And not have needed them in middle of the 10 day period when he was in Dublin?
    Or not have collected them from Kildare on the way up or down?

    It's obvious that he was only collecting personal belongings from Kildare.


  • #3093
    blackwhite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    Newsflash.... Just because someone drives a KE car doesn't mean they live there.

    I know that.

    But seeing plenty of cars on the M9 with KE regs joining at the Kilcullen and Athy junctions, some with roofboxes on the cars, did raise the suspicions just a little bit.


  • #3094
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    blackwhite wrote: »
    Van der Leyden isn't going to care as to whether the Government here is discredited or not (and equally well, given they no longer have any authority over Hogan there's not much of his actions they can be blamed for at this stage).

    The bigger issue she needs to consider is the perception of the EU in general, and the Commission in particular.

    Brexit, and the similar anti-EU movements in other countries, have pushed the image of unaccountable bureaucrats and bigwigs who do and say what they want. If there's no consequences for Hogan from this, then that message is all the easier for Euro-sceptics to push.
    Van de Leyden has to be conscious of that.

    In comparison to other Commissioners over the past few years this will he viewed as small.


  • #3095
    Edgware
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    blackwhite wrote: »
    I know that.

    But seeing plenty of cars on the M9 with KE regs joining at the Kilcullen and Athy junctions, some with roofboxes on the cars, did raise the suspicions just a little bit.
    Probably all rushing to brunch at the Berlin bar


  • #3096
    blackwhite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Danzy wrote: »
    In comparison to other Commissioners over the past few years this will he viewed as small.

    In the scheme of what some have done then yes it is - but in terms of giving two fingers to the vast swathes of the EU that are still under some form of restrictions, it's public impact is still pretty high.


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  • #3097
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,977 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    seamus wrote: »

    Now, which journalist has the next bit of information to contradict this.

    Phil thinks he's in the clear but up pops the Examiner again:

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  • #3098
    maestroamado
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    In his statement Mr Hogan said that after being admitted to hospital for a medical intervention on August 5 he tested negatively for Covid-19.

    "As I had received a negative Covid-19 test while in hospital, I was not under any subsequent legal requirement to self-isolate or quarantine."

    This is from an article i just tead in the Examiner.
    Correct me if i am wrong but my understanding is people must self-isolate for 2 week period after being abroad.
    I was of the opinion that because Covid has a 14 day incubation period being a person could transmit even though they may not being infected themselves. I was out of the Country and this is what i did on return, someone suggested i get tested and i said that quarintine was 2 weeks regardless.
    He seems to think once tested negative free to do as he pleases.
    I think Phil Hogan is wrong on this one?
    What's the view here...


  • #3099
    blackwhite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    maestroamado wrote: »
    In his statement Mr Hogan said that after being admitted to hospital for a medical intervention on August 5 he tested negatively for Covid-19.

    "As I had received a negative Covid-19 test while in hospital, I was not under any subsequent legal requirement to self-isolate or quarantine."

    This is from an article i just tead in the Examiner.
    Correct me if i am wrong but my understanding is people must self-isolate for 2 week period after being abroad.
    I was of the opinion that because Covid has a 14 day incubation period being a person could transmit even though they may not being infected themselves. I was out of the Country and this is what i did on return, someone suggested i get tested and i said that quarintine was 2 weeks regardless.
    He seems to think once tested negative free to do as he pleases.
    I think Phil Hogan is wrong on this one?
    What's the view here...

    Both you and Hogan are wrong on this one actually.

    https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/b4020-travelling-to-ireland-from-a-country-that-is-not-on-the-covid-19-travel-advice-list/

    When entering from a country that not on the Green list you are required to fill in a Passenger Locator Form - but you are only requested to restrict your movements for 14 days.


    There's not mention anywhere of the request to restrict movements being lifted in the case of a negative test - but even then the rules as to what "restrict your movement" actually mean are a joke.
    The request to restrict your movement means:
    • do not use public transport if possible. If you have no option but to use public transport, you must wear a face covering. The wearing of a face covering is required by law when using public transport, unless you have a diagnosed medical reason
    • do not visit others
    • do not meet face-to-face with anyone who is at higher risk from COVID-19
    • do not go to the shop unless absolutely necessary. If you have no option but to go to the shop, you must wear a face covering. The wearing of a face covering is required by law when using public transport (unless you have a reason as listed here)


    Under the actual requirements though, is something that might trip Hogan up.

    You are required to update the form and send to the Dept any time in the 14 days that you will be staying somewhere different to what was on your original form. I wonder did he do this part?


  • #3100
    maestroamado
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    Thanks for clarity, i suppose i because i wanted to respect the danger of Covid took request as requirement.
    On reading what he said after reading your reply there was thought put into the quote.
    I would not be too worried about myself but would not run-around as i be afraid of passing it on.

    Love the user name, you must be perfect...


  • #3101
    gifted
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,060 ✭✭✭gifted


    Hogan won't trip up in the interview....he's going no where....people like him never get found out.

    Only way he might...might ..leave is if Martin and varadkar "persuade " hogans boss that he has to go.....


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  • #3102
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,238 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    gifted wrote: »
    Only way he might...might ..leave is if Martin and varadkar "persuade " hogans boss that he has to go.....

    I don’t think they have the “influence”.....


  • #3103
    Chiparus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    maestroamado wrote: »
    In his statement Mr Hogan said that after being admitted to hospital for a medical intervention on August 5 he tested negatively for Covid-19.

    "As I had received a negative Covid-19 test while in hospital, I was not under any subsequent legal requirement to self-isolate or quarantine."

    This is from an article i just tead in the Examiner.
    Correct me if i am wrong but my understanding is people must self-isolate for 2 week period after being abroad.
    I was of the opinion that because Covid has a 14 day incubation period being a person could transmit even though they may not being infected themselves. I was out of the Country and this is what i did on return, someone suggested i get tested and i said that quarintine was 2 weeks regardless.
    He seems to think once tested negative free to do as he pleases.
    I think Phil Hogan is wrong on this one?
    What's the view here...

    There is also the issue that the test has a high false negative rate.


  • #3104
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Chiparus wrote: »
    There is also the issue that the test has a high false negative rate.

    It's an issue, but not one for Hogan or for von der Leyen.


  • #3105
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    gifted wrote: »
    Hogan won't trip up in the interview....he's going no where....people like him never get found out.

    Only way he might...might ..leave is if Martin and varadkar "persuade " hogans boss that he has to go.....
    If the report ticks all the boxes for his boss then that will be the end of it. I'm not sure they want to, they just wanted to express their ire and to be on the right side of the public protestations.


  • #3106
    Cute Hoor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭Cute Hoor


    Bloody hell, he forgot he visited Roscommon as well, tisn't easy to remember where you've been that long ago.


  • #3107
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The EU aren't going to fire him over this. That's a guarantee.

    It'll be another few days before Ursula comes back, letting the heat of the moment dissipate.


  • #3108
    Rows Grower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,575 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    Danzy wrote: »
    The EU aren't going to fire him over this. That's a guarantee.

    It'll be another few days before Ursula comes back, letting the heat of the moment dissipate.

    Okeydokey Danzy, thanks for sharing that insider knowledge with all of us.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • #3109
    ShamNNspace
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,979 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    Danzy wrote: »
    The EU aren't going to fire him over this. That's a guarantee.

    It'll be another few days before Ursula comes back, letting the heat of the moment dissipate.

    You may prove to be correct, I wouldn't be surprised if Ursula got in his ear, told him to allow himself be interviewed and it would be a mitigating factor in his favour. No way did big Phil put himself through that to sate the Irish prole's


  • #3110
    Jizique
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Danzy wrote: »
    The EU aren't going to fire him over this. That's a guarantee.

    It'll be another few days before Ursula comes back, letting the heat of the moment dissipate.

    School back tomorrow, Dail back next week


  • #3111
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Rows Grower wrote: »
    Okeydokey Danzy, thanks for sharing that insider knowledge with all of us.

    I think he should be but it's obvious he won't, the will isn't even remotely there.

    It's not insider information, it's very obvious.

    Do you honestly think Ursula is even considering it?


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  • #3112
    Rows Grower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,575 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    Jizique wrote: »
    School back tomorrow, Dail back next week

    Covid 19 cases to skyrocket, public anger to follow suit.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • #3113
    Rows Grower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,575 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    Danzy wrote: »
    I think he should be but it's obvious he won't, the will isn't even remotely there.

    It's not insider information, it's very obvious.

    Do you honestly think Ursula is even considering it?[/QUOTE]

    Yes I honestly do, I think she is trying to be fair and transparent and if she is then he's gone. No if's, no but's.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • #3114
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Rows Grower wrote: »
    Danzy wrote: »
    I think he should be but it's obvious he won't, the will isn't even remotely there.

    It's not insider information, it's very obvious.

    Do you honestly think Ursula is even considering it?[/QUOTE]

    Yes I honestly do, I think she is trying to be fair and transparent and if she is then he's gone. No if's, no but's.

    I'll give a 100 quid to a charity and put the receipt up if he is gone.

    There was enough a few days ago if they wanted to hold him to account. Going through the process is all that is happening now.

    It's not even subtle.

    If you believe that there is even a 1% chance he'll go then there is nothing to do but let you at it.


  • #3115
    golfball37
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,076 ✭✭✭golfball37


    Ursula is as corrupt as any of ours, no way is she firing him.


  • #3116
    Rows Grower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,575 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    Danzy wrote: »
    Rows Grower wrote: »

    I'll give a 100 quid to a charity and put the receipt up if he is gone.

    There was enough a few days ago if they wanted to hold him to account. Going through the process is all that is happening now.

    It's not even subtle.

    If you believe that there is even a 1% chance he'll go then there is nothing to do but let you at it.

    That's very genourous of you Danzy, I'm not much of a gambling man but what I'll do is I'll cover half of that if he's gone and it's a worthy Irish cause.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • #3117
    maestroamado
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    For me the ball is firmly in MM and Leo area st the moment.
    Hogan told Ursula that he fallowed Irish rules.
    I am guessing it arrangement he said he face Irish people with what he told her.
    According to what the HSE said per RTE news he did not.
    Its up to Irish politicians to clarify to Ursula if he fallowed rules, in my opinion as she unlikely to know.
    Will the people who said "consider your position" fallow through.
    If not he safe...


  • #3118
    Rows Grower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,575 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    maestroamado wrote: »
    For me the ball is firmly in MM and Leo area st the moment.
    Hogan told Ursula that he fallowed Irish rules.
    I am guessing it arrangement he said he face Irish people with what he told her.
    According to what the HSE said per RTE news he did not.
    Its up to Irish politicians to clarify to Ursula if he fallowed rules, in my opinion as she unlikely to know.
    Will the people who said "consider your position" fallow through.
    If not he safe...

    You're breaking up......

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • #3119
    the purple tin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,943 ✭✭✭✭the purple tin


    golfball37 wrote: »
    Ursula is as corrupt as any of ours, no way is she firing him.
    Why, what has she done?


  • #3120
    maestroamado
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    Rows Grower wrote: »
    You're breaking up......


    Personally i do not care as it is up to the rulemakers.
    At this stage he likely stay as he represents what we about...


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  • #3121
    Rows Grower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,575 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    maestroamado wrote: »
    Personally i do not care as it is up to the rulemakers.
    At this stage he likely stay as he represents what we about...

    Speak for yourself, he doesn't represent me or any of the people I know.

    He is actually despised by every single person I've listened to when discussing politics.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



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