FF/FG/Green Next Government

Truthvader · 25-08-2020 01:37PM

Bowie wrote: »

You're quoting the unfounded or backed up criticism of a poster with validity issues to back up your unfounded or backed up claim on Francie, because, and lets be honest, FF/FG are getting hammered because of their own actions and you'd rather not have it discussed. That's Fox news/Trump level stuff.

Calm you ass down. I am quoting Francie because he foolishly challenged me to. The first two lines are from a poster critical of Sinn Fein. The remainder is Francie's reply to that poster. Nothing to do with FF/FG. Indeed if you take the time to check you will see that I too am calling for Hogan and Woulfe to go.

Hawthorn Tree · 25-08-2020 01:40PM

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40037582.html#.X0UM6OcP9_U.twitter

EU Commissioner Phil Hogan stayed in a Limerick hotel and ate at a restaurant in Adare on August 12, one day before his 14-day isolation period was due to expire.

Multiple sources have confirmed to the Irish Examiner that Mr Hogan stayed in the Dunraven Arms Hotel on the night before he played a round of golf at Adare Manor.

But Sinn Fein....

James Brown · 25-08-2020 01:42PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Calm you ass down. I am quoting Francie because he foolishly challenged me to. The first two lines are from a poster critical of Sinn Fein. The remainder is Francie's reply to that poster. Nothing to do with FF/FG. Indeed if you take the time to check you will see that I too am calling for Hogan and Woulfe to go.

No you calm you ass down

The quotes are not clear. The read ink don't help.
what is your goal here? If you have a personal beef talk to the MODS.

I don't think it matters if they go or not. We need overhaul the entitled class structure in place.

FrancieBrady · 25-08-2020 01:42PM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40037582.html#.X0UM6OcP9_U.twitter

But Sinn Fein....

Guy should be arrested and charged at this stage.

FrancieBrady · 25-08-2020 01:48PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Well here you are a couple of weeks ago happily celebrating the "results" of the murder of children in Warrington - albeit with the usual Sinn Fein pretendy distancing "you don't have to be a fan of IRA".

Indeed, but sure it worked anyway.

As before anyone can go through your posting history and see for themselves the tide of doublespeak, justification and denial on all Sinn Fein/ IRA topics.

And all for what? You failed on another thread to identify one single "right" that the GFA had secured for Nationalists. The Criminals and thugs on all sides got away with murder. Only Sinn Fein think that is a "right"

Originally Posted by markodaly View Post
No, the question I actually asked was, how did the murder of a 3-year-old toddler and 12-year-old boy help Nationalists in the North.

All I got was world-class 'Whataboutism' and some long-winded defence of that bombing.
As per this post, going on about atomic bombs in WWII Japan.
And you got told how it helped 'nationalism' but you are in denial about it so you keep asking the question. Sad stuff really.

The IRA brought the campaign to the British and they got results...look at the timeline...look at the commentary.
You don't have to be a fan of the IRA to see that it worked.

Post my entire exchange with that poster and let's see what people think.

Explaining why something may have happened is not justifying or glorifying it.
Analysts and historians do it all the time.

If you want my 'personal opinion' on what happened in Warrington - it was a shocking and unforgivable crime...as every single act of violence was in the conflict/war from the beginning. Including the crime of artificially creating a majority for sectarian bigots to exploit. Whose sectarian bigoted state was finally eradicated by the rights written down and achieved in the GFA.

James Brown · 25-08-2020 01:55PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Post my entire exchange with that poster and let's see what people think.

Explaining why something may have happened is not justifying or glorifying it.
Analysts and historians do it all the time.

If you want my 'personal opinion' on what happened in Warrington - it was a shocking and unforgivable crime...as every single act of violence was in the conflict/war from the beginning. Including the crime of artificially creating a majority for sectarian bigots to exploit. Whose sectarian bigoted state was finally eradicated by the rights written down and achieved in the GFA.

There's a running theme here. They use a skewed analysis or false equivalency on something to deflect or try cancel out something else. When they are corrected or called out on it they try pin support on the ones calling them out. It's dishonest. However it's also humorously transparent. The refusal by some of them a respond to a direct question is quite telling.

Bishop of hope · 25-08-2020 02:14PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Guy should be arrested and charged at this stage.

He had tested negative for corona virus while in hospital, that ended his self isolation period early apparently.

markodaly · 25-08-2020 02:14PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If you want my 'personal opinion' on what happened in Warrington - it was a shocking and unforgivable crime...as every single act of violence was in the conflict/war from the beginning. Including the crime of artificially creating a majority for sectarian bigots to exploit. Whose sectarian bigoted state was finally eradicated by the rights written down and achieved in the GFA.

See this is EXACTLY what you do all the time, you say your do not support IRA violence, but then write a subsequent paragraph extolling your admiration for their actions as if you were our resident Diarmaid Ferriter.

You want to write and argue and debate 'all sides' as if you were a historian, but then you are knee-deep in day to day political shenanigans, siding with the SF side all the time, which makes all your 'I'm kinda like a historian' mute and nonsense. No one buys it.

To you, the actions in Warrington was a crime... but (there was always a but) it as really the fault of partition. This was exactly the line you took when Lyra McKee was murdered. Lyra McKee was not even buried and you started off down the path of how partition was really the fault of it all, not the murdering psychopaths who shot her, or the people who supplied the gun, or the people whispering rebel songs and other such nonsense into the ears of impressinable young people... it was the fault of partition. What a load of bollox!

There is ways an equivocation with you. ALWAYS! You simply cannot just post without some made-up on the fly equivocation to temper your banal statements about crimes against humanity carried out by Provisional IRA/SF thugs and psychopaths.

Yes, the killings in Warrington was a crime. FULL STOP. No Buts, not Ifs, no post revisoionism or other such nonsense.
Nothing about NI, nothing about 'some unionist was mean to a nationalist' excuse.. nothing else.... no other excuses.

The killing of a 3-year-old toddler and 12-year-old boy was a crime. Any 'but' or banal equivocation is you trying to excuse the murder of children.

McMurphy · 25-08-2020 02:14PM

Scoundrel wrote: »

https://twitter.com/McConnellDaniel/status/1298245502069362689?s=19

Jesus christ did the bould Phil ever stop travelling?? That must be the clean sweep of Covid rules broken now?

Holy Ghost, if he was playing covid regulations being ignored bingo, Phil has pretty much a full house now surely?

James Brown · 25-08-2020 02:31PM

markodaly wrote: »

See this is EXACTLY what you do all the time, you say your do not support IRA violence, but then write a subsequent paragraph extolling your admiration for their actions as if you were our resident Diarmaid Ferriter.

You want to write and argue and debate 'all sides' as if you were a historian, but then you are knee-deep in day to day political shenanigans, siding with the SF side all the time, which makes all your 'I'm kinda like a historian' mute and nonsense. No one buys it.

To you, the actions in Warrington was a crime... but (there was always a but) it as really the fault of partition. This was exactly the line you took when Lyra McKee was murdered. Lyra McKee was not even buried and you started off down the path of how partition was really the fault of it all, not the murdering psychopaths who shot her, or the people who supplied the gun, or the people whispering rebel songs and other such nonsense into the ears of impressinable young people... it was the fault of partition. What a load of bollox!

There is ways an equivocation with you. ALWAYS! You simply cannot just post without some made-up on the fly equivocation to temper your banal statements about crimes against humanity carried out by Provisional IRA/SF thugs and psychopaths.

Yes, the killings in Warrington was a crime. FULL STOP. No Buts, not Ifs, no post revisoionism or other such nonsense.
Nothing about NI, nothing about 'some unionist was mean to a nationalist' excuse.. nothing else.... no other excuses.

The killing of a 3-year-old toddler and 12-year-old boy was a crime. Any 'but' or banal equivocation is you trying to excuse the murder of children.

What's your opinion on the golf piss up and those who attended?

FrancieBrady · 25-08-2020 02:32PM

markodaly wrote: »

See this is EXACTLY what you do all the time, you say your do not support IRA violence, but then write a subsequent paragraph extolling your admiration for their actions as if you were our resident Diarmaid Ferriter.

Not going any further than this line.

You are lying through your teeth. I did not 'extoll my admiration' for their actions. I have said at ALL TIMES, that the violence was wrong from the start.

If I said that Carson mustering an army to fight against Home Rule was an effective strategy in achieving Unionist aims (it was BTW) would that be 'glorifying and condoning' the actions of Carson and Unionists?

You need to be a bit more adult about debates Mark.

joseywhales · 25-08-2020 02:34PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Guy should be arrested and charged at this stage.

What do you think he should be arrested for?

markodaly · 25-08-2020 02:45PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Not going any further than this line.

You are lying through your teeth. I did not 'extoll my admiration' for their actions. I have said at ALL TIMES, that the violence was wrong from the start.

If I said that Carson mustering an army to fight against Home Rule was an effective strategy in achieving Unionist aims (it was BTW) would that be 'glorifying and condoning' the actions of Carson and Unionists?

You need to be a bit more adult about debates Mark.

Put it this way.

If a poster was attacking the history of Loyalist violence, you would not be coming out with any defence against them, with some equivocation to excuse their actions, as if it justified their response to IRA violence.

If a poster was attacking British Army actions like Bloody Sunday, you would not be posting things like, 'It was all wrong' or something about Atomic Bombs dropping on WWII Japan.

However, when a poster attacks the wanton violence perpetrated by the PIRA, you always leap to their defence using the methods I have described above.
You only seem to do this when 'your side' is under scrutiny.

That is all I have to say about this for now, as this thread is not really about the Provos.

James Brown · 25-08-2020 02:52PM

joseywhales wrote: »

What do you think he should be arrested for?

Considering the Garda and at least one Supreme Court Justice are complicit, would it matter?

FrancieBrady · 25-08-2020 02:55PM

markodaly wrote: »

Put it this way.

If a poster was attacking the history of Loyalist violence, you would not be coming out with any defence against them, with some equivocation to excuse their actions, as if it justified their response to IRA violence.

If a poster was attacking British Army actions like Bloody Sunday, you would not be posting things like, 'It was all wrong' or something about Atomic Bombs dropping on WWII Japan.

However, when a poster attacks the wanton violence perpetrated by the PIRA, you always leap to their defence using the methods I have described above.
You only seem to do this when 'your side' is under scrutiny.

That is all I have to say about this for now, as this thread is not really about the Provos.

You ASKED A question, when you got an answer to that question you took it for glorification.

If you wish to ask me what for instance the Ulster Workers Strike achieved I would answer in the exact same way.

It is not a justification to explain what happened because something was done.

If you wish to argue the opposite case...do so. Stop with the bull**** moral judgements.

FrancieBrady · 25-08-2020 02:56PM

joseywhales wrote: »

What do you think he should be arrested for?

Testing my incredulity to the extreme?

dundalkfc10 · 25-08-2020 02:58PM

Another thread when the Govt is making a farce of themselves again turns into what about Sinn Féin

Give the posters (we know who they are) you are very consistent.

dundalkfc10 · 25-08-2020 02:58PM

joseywhales wrote: »

What do you think he should be arrested for?

Breaking Covid Rules for been at a Golf Piss Up.

RandomViewer · 25-08-2020 03:01PM

Any Green Party actions of any kind in the last few weeks, buying Teslas excluded?

joseywhales · 25-08-2020 03:02PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Breaking Covid Rules for been at a Golf Piss Up.

Last time I checked you can be arrested for breaking the law.

I don't think talking on the phone while driving is arrestable on its own, he should get penalty points maybe?

dundalkfc10 · 25-08-2020 03:41PM

joseywhales wrote: »

Last time I checked you can be arrested for breaking the law.

I don't think talking on the phone while driving is arrestable on its own, he should get penalty points maybe?

Breaking Covid Rules are punishable with a 2500 fine, upto 6 months imprisonment or a combination of both

So yes he could be arrested for it

James Brown · 25-08-2020 03:48PM

I see Hogan's idea of 'adhering to guidelines' excuses numerous golf outings and depends on an interpretation of important business.

In his statement, Mr Hogan said he adhered to the Government's Covid-19 guidelines at all times while in Ireland.

He also states that he fully accepts that it is "abundantly clear that the event should not have been held" and that he should not have attended this dinner.

In the details he provided to Ms von der Leyen, Mr Hogan says he arrived in Ireland on 31 July and travelled to his temporary residence in Kildare, before being admitted to a Dublin hospital on 5 August.

Mr Hogan said he tested negative for Covid-19 while in hospital and was discharged the next day before returning to his residence in Co Kildare. "As I had received a negative Covid-19 test while in hospital, I was not under any subsequent legal requirement to self-isolate or quarantine," he said in his statement.

He said he travelled from Co Kildare to Co Kilkenny on 7 August, the day the Government reimposed restrictions on the county. Mr Hogan said he travelled "before the local lockdown rules came into effect".

The Commissioner said he travelled to Dublin on 12 August for "essential work reasons", and while there he met with Tánaiste Leo Varadkar and Minister Robert Troy.

Mr Hogan said he played golf in Adare, Co Limerick the following day and returned to Kilkenny.

He said that on 17 August he travelled from Co Kilkenny to Co Galway via Co Kildare. In the statement Mr Hogan said he "stopped briefly" in Co Kildare at the property he had been staying in to collect some "personal belongings and essential papers".

Mr Hogan said he played golf in Clifden, Co Galway on 18 and 19 August, and attended a formal dinner on 19 August.

He said he returned from Galway to Kildare on 21 August "to collect my remaining personal belongings", and stayed there overnight to catch an early morning flight to his primary residence in Brussels the next morning.
https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0825/1161161-phil-hogan/

Seems the event was wrong.

However...

However, asked if Mr Hogan would have to resign, the spokesperson said that it was "absolutely premature" to talk about what sanction he may or may not face once Ms von der Leyen had concluded her findings.

One official said there had been intense contacts between the President's office and Mr Hogan's cabinet, with documents being provided as requested.

It is understood these included the guidelines on Covid-19 compliance issued by the Irish Hotels Federation, and a map of Ireland showing Kilkenny in relation to other counties.

It is understood the formal Commission response to the controversy could come as soon as later this afternoon.

You can imagine Hogan having to explain himself isn't sitting well with his sense of entitlement.

Truthvader · 25-08-2020 04:03PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Post my entire exchange with that poster and let's see what people think.

Explaining why something may have happened is not justifying or glorifying it.
Analysts and historians do it all the time.

If you want my 'personal opinion' on what happened in Warrington - it was a shocking and unforgivable crime...as every single act of violence was in the conflict/war from the beginning. Including the crime of artificially creating a majority for sectarian bigots to exploit. Whose sectarian bigoted state was finally eradicated by the rights written down and achieved in the GFA.

Precisely as slippery and evasive as I have come to expect from all Sinn Fein /IRA supporters.

You challenged me to copy "one of these posts". I did so. You got caught out.

So now the game moves on and you pretend that something else is what is really relevant. I have no doubt that you could produce any number of posts confirming practically any position on any topic from time to time because at root there is a complete absence of integrity. So any position can be maintained subject to requirements at various times.

No interest in your new improved whiter than ever "personal opinion" on Warrington. I have no doubt you are well capable of wringing your hands in fake anguish like Gerry Adams giving his " we all suffered speech" (while being personally responsible for most of the suffering.) So jog on with your "conflict/ war" fantasy justification bullcrap. If you genuinely thought any of it was a "shocking and unforgiveable crime" you wouldn't be able vote for the people who committed it.

And I am still waiting for you to itemise one right "written down and achieved" in the GFA which was not available before the GFA (save the release of thugs and killers)

Floppybits · 25-08-2020 04:05PM

Bowie wrote: »

You can imagine Hogan having to explain himself isn't sitting well with his sense of entitlement.

This is what this is really all about, Hogan won't lose his job but the fact that he has been dragged through the mud and has had to explain himself to the President of the EU will have him fuming.

FrancieBrady · 25-08-2020 04:15PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Precisely as slippery and evasive as I have come to expect from all Sinn Fein /IRA supporters.

You challenged me to copy "one of these posts". I did so. You got caught out.

So now the game moves on and you pretend that something else is what is really relevant. I have no doubt that you could produce any number of posts confirming practically any position on any topic from time to time because at root there is a complete absence of integrity. So any position can be maintained subject to requirements at various times.

No interest in your new improved whiter than ever "personal opinion" on Warrington. I have no doubt you are well capable of wringing your hands in fake anguish like Gerry Adams giving his " we all suffered speech" (while being personally responsible for most of the suffering.) So jog on with your "conflict/ war" fantasy justification bullcrap. If you genuinely thought any of it was a "shocking and unforgiveable crime" you wouldn't be able vote for the people who committed it.

And I am still waiting for you to itemise one right "written down and achieved" in the GFA which was not available before the GFA (save the release of thugs and killers)

You haven't a leg to stand on here.

I didn't glorify anything.

If you think I am glorifying violence...take it up with the mods. Of course you won't do that, you will just make impossible to disprove claims.

Tell you what...next time you see me glorifying violence, challenge me and we'll take it from there.

Brendan Bendar · 25-08-2020 04:25PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You haven't a leg to stand on here.

I didn't glorify anything.

If you think I am glorifying violence...take it up with the mods. Of course you won't do that, you will just make impossible to disprove claims.

Tell you what...next time you see me glorifying violence, challenge me and we'll take it from there.

Heh heh a well used response Francie, I’ll have to hand that to you.

Good try.

James Brown · 25-08-2020 04:26PM

Floppybits wrote: »

This is what this is really all about, Hogan won't lose his job but the fact that he has been dragged through the mud and has had to explain himself to the President of the EU will have him fuming.

The only good that might come from this is an election sees FF/FG sent packing. We know from past instances FF/FG will not clean up their act especially when their golfing chums are the alleged 'watchdogs'.
Country deserves better than these 'best people'.

FrancieBrady · 25-08-2020 04:32PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Heh heh a well used response Francie, I’ll have to hand that to you.

Good try.

I couldn't be arsed getting into a 'I said...you said' with somebody who is so far up in the high moral clouds they are out of sight.

Let him/her challenge me in 'real time' when I glorify violence or take my glorification of violence up with a mod. Truthwader does state very clearly that it is evident in my post history after all.

Hawthorn Tree · 25-08-2020 05:16PM

Great interview by Tony on RTE News. Phil 'I don't accept that' being his arrogant self.

Amazingly SF weren't mentioned once. Hard to fathom.

What did the blinkered FG boyos think?

James Brown · 25-08-2020 05:19PM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

Great interview by Tony on RTE News. Phil 'I don't accept that' being his arrogant self.

Amazingly SF weren't mentioned once. Hard to fathom.

What did the blinkered FG boyos think?

Something about Shergar I'd imagine.

Not a good look for the country.
Phil reckons because he was Covid negative he was immune to catching and spreading it in the several counties he visited.

FF/FG/Green Next Government

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