neighbour using our downpipe

Goldengirl · 24-08-2020 12:46AM

BryanF wrote: »

OP
This is a civil mater.
See if you can sort this amicably with your neighbour

Otherwise seek legal advice.

Btw, did it dawn on the patio installer to add a drain? Is it possible to install a drain line at this stage?

No we have a drain and a properly fitted gulley drain in the patio. We also cleared all of the gutters and down pipes last month
The overflow is when there is a big down pour and it is from the gutter hitting the ground like a shower onto the now paved area.
Loads of water going down the drainpipe and draining away as well , no problem.
He was the one who told us what our neighbours had done , or hinted at it .

When you say a civil matter do you mean there is no regulation that they have breached that we can report , but that we may have to take them to court ?
I don't think I could do that .

Goldengirl · 24-08-2020 12:53AM

elperello wrote: »

You would be best advised not to do that.

The backed up water could damage their property making the situation between you even worse.

It might even damage your property.

Yes I don't think I have the face to do that . Although they didn't think of us when they did what they did.

Goldengirl · 24-08-2020 12:56AM

One last question ...if we do say it to them would the option be that they redo their side and reinstate their drain...
Or we will separate our gutters from theirs , permanently?
Would this be allowed ?

fritzelly · 24-08-2020 12:58AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

One last question ...if we do say it to them would the option be that they redo their side and reinstate their drain...
Or we will separate our gutters from theirs , permanently?
Would this be allowed ?

Check your deeds

Del Boy · 24-08-2020 11:56AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

One last question ...if we do say it to them would the option be that they redo their side and reinstate their drain...
Or we will separate our gutters from theirs , permanently?
Would this be allowed ?

You said originally that each property had a down pipe. When they extended theirs was removed and builder put their drainage into your downpipe.

Get it back to original situation.

Just blame recent storms. Your drain is overflowing.....bla bla bla.

Blame the builder. Just say to the neighbours that perhaps they weren't aware the builder did this.

Ask nicely....please remedy it. Our system isn't coping. Ask it done before winter.

End of story. Otherwise just live with it.

Gumbo · 24-08-2020 12:03PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Check your deeds

Deeds won’t show this information.

the_pen_turner · 24-08-2020 01:26PM

There is definitely something wrong if a 3 inch pipe cant take the water. It's only 2 town houses.
My uncle has a 7 span shed 36foot sheeting each side and 2 4 inch pipes on each side. They have no problem taking the water. .

Goldengirl · 24-08-2020 01:27PM

Del Boy wrote: »

You said originally that each property had a down pipe. When they extended theirs was removed and builder put their drainage into your downpipe.

Get it back to original situation.

Just blame recent storms. Your drain is overflowing.....bla bla bla.

Blame the builder. Just say to the neighbours that perhaps they weren't aware the builder did this.

Ask nicely....please remedy it. Our system isn't coping. Ask it done before winter.

End of story. Otherwise just live with it.

So we don't have a right to have it reinstated? Or do you say this is what we should do to ease the situation?

Goldengirl · 24-08-2020 01:34PM

the_pen_turner wrote: »

There is definitely something wrong if a 3 inch pipe cant take the water. It's only 2 town houses.
My uncle has a 7 span shed 36foot sheeting each side and 2 4 inch pipes on each side. They have no problem taking the water. .

This would be draining around 19 foot of roof into our drain , where before there were 2 drains .
I get the impression that some of you think we should alter our gutters and our drain to accomodate their drainage .
We may very well end up doing that for the sake of peace .
But if this comes back to bite us in the future, as in selling or if they extend , and the run of guttering is longer draining into ours , I just want to know where we stand .

sydthebeat · 24-08-2020 01:39PM

does the neighbour have a stormwater gully in their path doing nothing??

Seth Brundle · 24-08-2020 01:42PM

Have you a picture of the drain pipe and where it meets the drain?
My semi-d property has the drain pipe (standard pipe @ 65mm diameter) for ours and our neighbours house and it manages absolutely fine.

Goldengirl · 24-08-2020 01:48PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

does the neighbour have a stormwater gully in their path doing nothing??

No .
They put that imprinted concrete right up the whole back and front , no drains or gulleys .

Edit. Think they have the actual original drain inside their conservatory, but not sure as a mat there .

Goldengirl · 24-08-2020 01:51PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Have you a picture of the drain pipe and where it meets the drain?
My semi-d property has the drain pipe (standard pipe @ 65mm diameter) for ours and our neighbours house and it manages absolutely fine.

The problem is the water overshooting from the top.
Drain and drainpipe is working .
I have pics and videos but am brutal at putting things up !

Del Boy · 24-08-2020 02:05PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

So we don't have a right to have it reinstated? Or do you say this is what we should do to ease the situation?

Get it put back to original set up.

Tell them to sort out their drainage for their house.

If water is overflowing from gutter then they probably need cleaning.

The neighbours were taking the pi** 18 years ago to remove their downpipe and let their drainage water flow into your side/system.

Ask them to sort it out and reinstall a downpipe for their house.

Goldengirl · 24-08-2020 02:20PM

Del Boy wrote: »

Get it put back to original set up.

Tell them to sort out their drainage for their house.

If water is overflowing from gutter then they probably need cleaning.

The neighbours were taking the pi** 18 years ago to remove their downpipe and let their drainage water flow into your side/system.

Ask them to sort it out and reinstall a downpipe for their house.

Thanks .
I think we will have to think where we go from her alright.
I don't think leaving it is going to be an option and we don't want to be paying for remedial work now or in the future .
Just going to have to pluck up courage now so wish me luck !

Thank you everyone for taking the time to reply .

maestroamado · 24-08-2020 02:27PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

The problem is the water overshooting from the top.
Drain and drainpipe is working .
I have pics and videos but am brutal at putting things up !

Its a minor problem and likely nothing to do with neighbor changes, though he should not have done without your permission its not important enough to fall-out about.
These gutters are 100mm/4in +. The bottom of the slates needs be around the centre of this so the water goes into gutter, if it farther out the force of the water will cause to spill over the top.
You will get a good idea by looking up at the end at what point the water enters gully, if you cannot see need a ladder.

You will likely need a gutter guy to repair, when were the gutters cleaned as this could also cause this problem.

housetypeb · 24-08-2020 03:26PM

Tell your neighbor that you're dealing with the water from your own roof overflowing, thinking of putting in a new gutter slightly higher than original to catch any overshoot and putting a stopper where the boundary line is.
That may stir him to deal with his problem of what to do with the water off of his roof then.

kevgaa · 24-08-2020 05:08PM

Hi OP,

I think you need to be very careful in this situation. I appreciate you are frustrated but have you checked the set-up on neighbouring houses?

In my estate there is only one down pipe at the back of each of our houses for each pair of semi detached houses. Each house has the drain in the ground but the builders only installed one down pipe so you may be blaming your neighbour for removing something that never existed.

24-08-2020 05:17PM

Why would a conservatory mean removing and reinstalling a gutter on the roof? What's the advantage in what being alledged here? Seems like more work as the drains angle would need to have been realigned.

Op, please just walk outside with your phone and take a picture

the_pen_turner · 24-08-2020 06:22PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

This would be draining around 19 foot of roof into our drain , where before there were 2 drains .
I get the impression that some of you think we should alter our gutters and our drain to accomodate their drainage .
We may very well end up doing that for the sake of peace .
But if this comes back to bite us in the future, as in selling or if they extend , and the run of guttering is longer draining into ours , I just want to know where we stand .

I dont think you should have to alter the drains to suit them . Let them manage their own water. You may have to do that to keep the peace.

My point is that a 3 inch down pipe should take the water. Assuming the roof is 20foot long and 20 foot wide that's 400 sq feet. Same for your roof makes it 800 sq feet.
My uncle is putting 4000 sq feet into 2 4 inch pipes handily. You have other issues with the guttering potentially

the_pen_turner · 24-08-2020 06:28PM

I think you issue will be a rotten fascia allowing gutter to dip , broken brackets, or crap in the swan neck or offset bends.

listermint · 24-08-2020 08:25PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

This would be draining around 19 foot of roof into our drain , where before there were 2 drains .
I get the impression that some of you think we should alter our gutters and our drain to accomodate their drainage .
We may very well end up doing that for the sake of peace .
But if this comes back to bite us in the future, as in selling or if they extend , and the run of guttering is longer draining into ours , I just want to know where we stand .

I've 60 foot of roof draining into a single pipe. There isn't any overflow off the gutters feeding it nor an over flow out of the drain to be seen. Even whens it pissing down. I keep it all clean.

You either have dirt in the gutters. Dirt in the downpipe or dirt in the drain.

All 3 should be checked properly. And gutters should be cleaned regularly make sure the neighbors clean there's two.

There should be absolutely no issue whatsoever with 19foot of roof going to 1 pipe. Just none. You have a problem with the setup and it's not the lack of two down pipes. What you could do is knock in next door and just cause unnecessary messing. It's been this way near twenty years. And no it won't impact you selling your house. Don't mind that internet waffle.

Goldengirl · 25-08-2020 01:01PM

listermint wrote: »

I've 60 foot of roof draining into a single pipe. There isn't any overflow off the gutters feeding it nor an over flow out of the drain to be seen. Even whens it pissing down. I keep it all clean.

You either have dirt in the gutters. Dirt in the downpipe or dirt in the drain.

All 3 should be checked properly. And gutters should be cleaned regularly make sure the neighbors clean there's two.

There should be absolutely no issue whatsoever with 19foot of roof going to 1 pipe. Just none. You have a problem with the setup and it's not the lack of two down pipes. What you could do is knock in next door and just cause unnecessary messing. It's been this way near twenty years. And no it won't impact you selling your house. Don't mind that internet waffle.

Thanks .
We don't want any trouble if we can avoid as these people are not amenable .
Gutters, downpipe and drains all cleaned a month ago , and again checked yesterday . Flow and fall checked by the same person as we thought that was the issue originally . Didn't know about the removal of their downpipe till after that . Also they don't clear their gutters only every few years so don't know if theirs is blocked . They are not the type of people that you can say " hey let's get the gutters cleaned " to . I know I would be told " yes no problem , you pay for it " !
That is all I wanted to know that it would not impact on our house but if it continues at the present rate it will damage our fascia and paving .

To the poster that wondered about their conservatory, they built it out past the line of the house and over where the drain was sited , so if they still have a drain it is covered and inside their conservatory, but no down pipe. I have also said in another post that , at that time or afterwards , they redid all their gutters so could have veered the back gutter to drain into ours at that time .
They also complained when we changed our gutters last year that our upstairs was sitting in theirs but as our flow was directed towards our gutter from the top it hasn't caused any issue and so that drama settled . But they said they were very worried that we would do the same with our lower gutter , but I assured them that wasn't being changed. Now I know why they were so worried but of course they couldn't say it

the_pen_turner · 25-08-2020 01:05PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Thanks .
We don't want any trouble if we can avoid as these people are not amenable .
Gutters, downpipe and drains all cleaned a month ago , and again checked yesterday . Flow and fall checked by the same person as we thought that was the issue originally . Didn't know about the removal of their downpipe till after that . Also they don't clear their gutters only every few years so don't know if theirs is blocked . They are not the type of people that you can say " hey let's get the gutters cleaned " to . I know I would be told " yes no problem , you pay for it " !
That is all I wanted to know that it would not impact on our house but if it continues at the present rate it will damage our fascia and paving .

To the poster that wondered about their conservatory, they built it out past the line of the house and over where the drain was sited , so if they still have a drain it is covered and inside their conservatory, but no down pipe. I have also said in another post that , at that time or afterwards , they redid all their gutters so could have veered the back gutter to drain into ours at that time .
They also complained when we changed our gutters last year that our upstairs was sitting in theirs but as our flow was directed towards our gutter from the top it hasn't caused any issue and so that drama settled . But they said they were very worried that we would do the same with our lower gutter , but I assured them that wasn't being changed. Now I know why they were so worried but of course they couldn't say it

i think we need to see pics

Goldengirl · 25-08-2020 01:31PM

the_pen_turner wrote: »

i think we need to see pics

Thanks , but no .
Will live with this until we can't but don't want to be putting identifying pics up .
It would make a bad situation worse .

the_pen_turner · 25-08-2020 01:34PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Thanks , but no .
Will live with this until we can't but don't want to be putting identifying pics up .
It would make a bad situation worse .

fair enough i wouldnt either. how about a close up of the gutter, join, and a sketch of the lay out

listermint · 25-08-2020 01:35PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Thanks , but no .
Will live with this until we can't but don't want to be putting identifying pics up .
It would make a bad situation worse .

If theres water dripping out the top then the joins are done poorly if the waters dripping out the bottom then the drain really isn't clean.

And dripping is a poor install or a blocked gutter. I know you said someone checked it but not all someones are good at their job . Just to split hairs.

Dublinstiofán · 25-08-2020 01:45PM

Get one of these (100L/250L) and use the extra water to water the plants or wash the car. If it’s gone on for this long no point making an issue out of it.

Melted · 25-08-2020 03:04PM

Dublinstiofán wrote: »

Get one of these (100L/250L) and use the extra water to water the plants or wash the car. If it’s gone on for this long no point making an issue out of it.

I am actually looking for something like this to solve an unrelated issue I am having, can you tell me the name of this contraption so I can research it?

Thanks!

elperello · 25-08-2020 03:06PM

It's a water butt.

Try Woodies or any local hardware.

neighbour using our downpipe

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