FF/FG/Green Next Government

Scoondal · 23-08-2020 01:32AM

If Phil Hogan has lied, he should be sacked. No reignation allowed.
EU needs to step up and ask questions. Ireland is still a committed member but if we see an unelected bureaucracy telling Irish people that it is okay.... then we will turn against the unelected EU "ministers".

James Brown · 23-08-2020 01:34AM

Scoondal wrote: »

If Phil Hogan has lied, he should be sacked. No reignation allowed.
EU needs to step up and ask questions. Ireland is still a committed member but if we see an unelected bureaucracy telling Irish people that it is okay.... then we will turn against the unelected EU "ministers".

They kept Dara Murphy so they don't have a high standard.

Scoondal · 23-08-2020 01:47AM

Bowie wrote: »

They kept Dara Murphy so they don't have a high standard.

Are you trying deflecting ?
The EU commission is like a government cabinet. They said Friday - nothing to see about Mr Hogan. Irish government asks him "to consider his position".
I do not think that Mr Hogan should "consider" anything. Von de Leyen should sack him on Sunday.

Scoondal · 23-08-2020 02:23AM

The Philippines has eradicated corruption. The Philippines now would arrest such elite people. Ireland is now politically worse than The Philippines.
I never thought that I would see this again in Ireland. I should go back to a more normal country.

James Brown · 23-08-2020 02:35AM

Scoondal wrote: »

Are you trying deflecting ?
The EU commission is like a government cabinet. They said Friday - nothing to see about Mr Hogan. Irish government asks him "to consider his position".
I do not think that Mr Hogan should "consider" anything. Von de Leyen should sack him on Sunday.

You said the EU needs to step up and ask questions. They kept Murphy. In others words they'll likely do nothing.

ronivek · 23-08-2020 03:05AM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Whats with the embargoed email? Im not getting it, why would it be ok to release it at midnight but not an hour before??

It's entirely standard practice in news organisations and those who interact with them.

For example if Government wants to draw attention to an issue they may issue a Press Release on the day some event is occurring; however to give journalists time to research and/or write their stories they will give them the release 'early' with an attached embargo.

In this case the Government wanted the story to coincide with the start of the working week and presumably the day that the request to resume the Dail is actually made.

The people reading into the embargo belong in the Conspiracy Theories forum.

Scoondal · 23-08-2020 03:18AM

ronivek wrote: »

It's entirely standard practice in news organisations and those who interact with them.

For example if Government wants to draw attention to an issue they may issue a Press Release on the day some event is occurring; however to give journalists time to research and/or write their stories they will give them the release 'early' with an attached embargo.

In this case the Government wanted the story to coincide with the start of the working week and presumably the day that the request to resume the Dail is actually made.

The people reading into the embargo belong in the Conspiracy Theories forum.

Really ?
The government is controlling our news.
What is going on in Ireland now ?

ronivek · 23-08-2020 03:24AM

Scoondal wrote: »

Really ?
The government is controlling our news.
What is going on in Ireland now ?

What are you talking about? The Government tells the media on Sunday "hey we're recalling the Dail to resume around the time the schools are back; just thought you should know, but please don't publish it until Monday morning" and you're losing your mind.

They could easily have not said a word and recalled the Dail without telling anyone at all if they wanted it to be a secret; that's not the purpose of a media embargo. It gives the media time to write their stories (including newspapers to potentially run a story on Monday morning editions), and it also means competing news agencies are given a chance to publish their stories at the same time to prevent favouritism.

Scoondal · 23-08-2020 03:42AM

ronivek wrote: »

What are you talking about? The Government tells the media on Sunday "hey we're recalling the Dail to resume around the time the schools are back; just thought you should know, but please don't publish it until Monday morning" and you're losing your mind.

They could easily have not said a word and recalled the Dail without telling anyone at all if they wanted it to be a secret; that's not the purpose of a media embargo. It gives the media time to write their stories (including newspapers to potentially run a story on Monday morning editions), and it also means competing news agencies are given a chance to publish their stories at the same time to prevent favouritism.

The government are telling a supposedly independant media what to do ?
Does anyone think that this is normal in a democratic republic ?

Scoondal · 23-08-2020 03:44AM

ronivek wrote: »

What are you talking about? The Government tells the media on Sunday "hey we're recalling the Dail to resume around the time the schools are back; just thought you should know, but please don't publish it until Monday morning" and you're losing your mind.

They could easily have not said a word and recalled the Dail without telling anyone at all if they wanted it to be a secret; that's not the purpose of a media embargo. It gives the media time to write their stories (including newspapers to potentially run a story on Monday morning editions), and it also means competing news agencies are given a chance to publish their stories at the same time to prevent favouritism.

Did you live in Singapore ? That is the normal way there.
This is Ireland.

Scoondal · 23-08-2020 04:21AM

ronivek wrote: »

It's entirely standard practice in news organisations and those who interact with them.

For example if Government wants to draw attention to an issue they may issue a Press Release on the day some event is occurring; however to give journalists time to research and/or write their stories they will give them the release 'early' with an attached embargo.

In this case the Government wanted the story to coincide with the start of the working week and presumably the day that the request to resume the Dail is actually made.

The people reading into the embargo belong in the Conspiracy Theories forum.

Rubbish. Not standard practice in a normal republic.

votecounts · 23-08-2020 04:32AM

Wonder how ff or fg will do in an opinion poll when it's done in the next few weeks, especially given recent events and if schools reopening goes badly.

Wanderer78 · 23-08-2020 04:39AM

votecounts wrote:

Wonder how ff or fg will do in an opinion poll when it's done in the next few weeks, especially given recent events and if schools reopening goes badly.

Badly of course, but I wouldn't be worrying too much about them, many will remain in support of them, the government probably won't collapse, both will probably do okay in the next ge

UDAWINNER · 23-08-2020 04:59AM

votecounts wrote: »

Wonder how ff or fg will do in an opinion poll when it's done in the next few weeks, especially given recent events and if schools reopening goes badly.

doesn't really matter, won't be an election for at least 2 years because no one would be dumb enough to hold one during a pandemic

Yurt2 · 23-08-2020 05:05AM

Embargoed press releases are standard across many industries and not just politics, and in every open society you can think of.

A journalist can break the embargo if they so choose, but they'll find themselves cut-out of press releases and will be frozen out by press officers / PR teams. That's the game unfortunately.

Yurt2 · 23-08-2020 05:39AM

UDAWINNER wrote: »

doesn't really matter, won't be an election for at least 2 years because no one would be dumb enough to hold one during a pandemic

Japan, Singapore and South Korea have had elections during the pandemic. It can be done.

Bishop of hope · 23-08-2020 08:23AM

Govt looking under pressure again.
Dail recalled early, no harm I suppose, but really when we need decisive, cohesive and clear govt action, we are going to be listening to opposition questioning of every small detail.
The **** stirrers in action!

Professor Moriarty · 23-08-2020 08:25AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Govt looking under pressure again.
Dail recalled early, no harm I suppose, but really when we need decisive, cohesive and clear govt action, we are going to be listening to opposition questioning of every small detail.
The **** stirrers in action!

I wonder would anyone have any idea what a better government might look like? Which parties/independents might form that government?

FrancieBrady · 23-08-2020 08:28AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Govt looking under pressure again.
Dail recalled early, no harm I suppose, but really when we need decisive, cohesive and clear govt action, we are going to be listening to opposition questioning of every small detail.
The **** stirrers in action!

Small details?

:D

is_that_so · 23-08-2020 08:28AM

Yurt! wrote: »

Japan, Singapore and South Korea have had elections during the pandemic. It can be done.

Yep, just throw on a mask and in you go. We might even get a high turnout! I don't think there will be one, not unless the schools return is one unholy mess. Even then I can't see Michel D letting them all off on a campaign. If they can get to Budget planning they should see out the year.

horse7 · 23-08-2020 08:30AM

Sinn Fein will definitely have a good outing, the longer the coalition exists the more of a mess they make, and sinn Fein can sit back and reap the rewards.

Bishop of hope · 23-08-2020 09:22AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Small details? :D

You know what I mean.
Trying to create havoc when it's not needed.
The govt have dealt with the golfgate thing fairly well. No bull****, minister and senator gone.
Then you have the pontificating from our main opposition on it after the the Storey funeral debacle, did they deal with that in any fair way?
Loudmouths and gobshytes the lot of them.
And anyone who defends them or claim they have valid retort rights on golfgate after that isn't much better frankly.

FrancieBrady · 23-08-2020 09:27AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

You know what I mean.
Trying to create havoc when it's not needed.
The govt have dealt with the golfgate thing fairly well. No bull****, minister and senator gone.
Then you have the pontificating from our main opposition on it after the the Storey funeral debacle, did they deal with that in any fair way?
Loudmouths and gobshytes the lot of them.
And anyone who defends them or claim they have valid retort rights on golfgate after that isn't much better frankly.

No I don't know what you mean.
What does 'small details' mean? Two people have resigned here because they recognise that what they did was completely wrong...read what they said.

I didn't defend SF, BTW, I said the funeral was handled wrong and shouldn't have happened as it did.

You can ignore SF in this if you want, but you cannot ignore the disquiet and anger of many many people and parties that are not shinners or SF.

Bishop of hope · 23-08-2020 09:34AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No I don't know what you mean.
What does 'small details' mean? Two people have resigned here because they recognise that what they did was completely wrong...read what they said.

I didn't defend SF, BTW, I said the funeral was handled wrong and shouldn't have happened as it did.

You can ignore SF in this if you want, but you cannot ignore the disquiet and anger of many many people and parties that are not shinners or SF.

No problem with the public anger, your anger or any pundit on here, I'm angry myself.
But after the Storey funeral debacle I wouldn't trust SF with anything covid related and the thought of having to listen to or read about any of them talking on covid advice sickens me.
Bunch of hypocrites and if the any honour they'd shut the fcuk up about it.
They had every right they claim, they apologised for any hurt caused, but never said they were wrong.
At least Calleary and others resigned over their mistakes.

FrancieBrady · 23-08-2020 09:41AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

No problem with the public anger, your anger or any pundit on here, I'm angry myself.
But after the Storey funeral debacle I wouldn't trust SF with anything covid related and the thought of having to listen to or read about any of them talking on covid advice sickens me.
Bunch of hypocrites and if the any honour they'd shut the fcuk up about it.
They had every right they claim, they apologised for any hurt caused, but never said they were wrong.
At least Calleary and others resigned over their mistakes.

If Calleary thought he had done nothing wrong or didn't believe he broke rules he shouldn't have resigned. Leo and Michael should not have criticised all there either.

SF accepted they got social distancing wrong and apologised for the hurt caused by that but don't believe they broke any regs and have left that to the authorities to decide.

You can't have it every way here.

RandomViewer · 23-08-2020 09:43AM

UDAWINNER wrote: »

doesn't really matter, won't be an election for at least 2 years because no one would be dumb enough to hold one during a pandemic

It'll run until MM is supposed to hand over to Varadkers successor , in the mean time they'll undermine each other at every chance but no election,

McMurphy · 23-08-2020 09:46AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

No problem with the public anger, your anger or any pundit on here, I'm angry myself.
But after the Storey funeral debacle I wouldn't trust SF with anything covid related and the thought of having to listen to or read about any of them talking on covid advice sickens me.

Can you link to your outrage surrounding the social distancing measures being broken by the mourners at Garda Horkans funeral please Bish?

You were similarly outraged at that example of covid measures being ignored too, right?

Bunch of hypocrites and if the any honour they'd shut the fcuk up about it.
They had every right they claim, they apologised for any hurt caused, but never said they were wrong.
At least Calleary and others resigned over their mistakes.

Don't tell me we will have to come back to this particular part of your post if there's no example of you not being outraged will we?

Bishop of hope · 23-08-2020 10:00AM

McMurphy wrote: »

Can you link to your outrage surrounding the social distancing measures being broken by the mourners at Garda Horkans funeral please Bish?

You were similarly outraged at that example of covid measures being ignored too, right?

Don't tell me we will have to come back to this particular part of your post if there's no example of you not being outraged will we?

I'm not sure why you bring that into it really.
Public interactions and breaches are a common ocurence in reality.
Those that make the laws are in a different position.
As I said, if there's anyone who has strictly adhered to the guidelines amongst the public then they are saints.
Public events and politicians that make our laws and rules breaching them openly is a disaster for the message they need to send out.
Hence the resignations and sackings and calls for them.
In a political sense I'm talking here as we are on a political forum.
If the govt had stood by and accepted apologies and said that's an end to the matter I'd be calling for an end to them too.
But decisive action was taken.
Not so after the Storey funeral, which SF and supporters still defend while pontificating on the golfgate.
I'm not a politician nor in the public eye nor a Saint either, but I'm honest.

McMurphy · 23-08-2020 10:08AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

I'm not sure why you bring that into it really.
Public interactions and breaches are a common ocurence in reality.
Those that make the laws are in a different position.
As I said, if there's anyone who has strictly adhered to the guidelines amongst the public then they are saints.
Public events and politicians that make our laws and rules breaching them openly is a disaster for the message they need to send out.
Hence the resignations and sackings and calls for them.
In a political sense I'm talking here as we are on a political forum.
If the govt had stood by and accepted apologies and said that's an end to the matter I'd be calling for an end to them too.
But decisive action was taken.
Not so after the Storey funeral, which SF and supporters still defend while pontificating on the golfgate.
I'm not a politician nor in the public eye nor a Saint either, but I'm honest.

I'm bringing it into it because it's a fair comparison of a sizeable group of mourners attending funerals of obviously well respected and liked members of a community, some of which could be seen at times breaking the SD protocol in place, within a short space of time of each other.

That's (to my mind, and as far as I know) the only thing that the shinners did wrong.

The PSNI were investigating if any other regulations were broken, and I don't think they have found any yet.

So to sum it up, you think some shinners should resign because some mourners were observed breaking social distancing guidelines at a funeral?

Is that really comparable with what went on at golfgate? Really?

RandomViewer · 23-08-2020 10:12AM

McMurphy wrote: »

I'm bringing it into it because it's a fair comparison of a sizeable group of mourners attending funerals of obviously well respected and liked members of a community, some of which could be seen at times breaking the SD protocol in place, within a short space of time of each other.

That's (to my mind, and as far as I know) the only thing that the shinners did wrong.

The PSNI were investigating if any other regulations were broken, and I don't think they have found any yet.

So to sum it up, you think some shinners should resign because some mourners were observed breaking social distancing guidelines at a funeral?

Is that really comparable with what went on at golfgate? Really?

Any government TD who attended Horkans funeral as well? Charlie Flanagan booking appointment at the dole office tomorrow?

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