2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

Tell me how wrote: »

Pretty sure the poster was referring to his unexpected and unexplained visit to Walter Reed Hospital last November.

Am enjoying this road to Damascus conversion of Trump fans who all of a sudden have a line that shouldn't be crossed in terms of scoring political points.

Pity it didn't happen before conservatives said some pretty low things about Biden comforting his grandchildren at their fathers funeral.

I try not to lump everyone into the same category. Plenty of Trump supporters (including myself) praised Biden's kind words upon Roberts death. There is underhandedness on both sides... Not all Trump supporters think Biden has dementia.

What an absolute mess the American political system is if these two clowns are the best they can come up with. Then again look at us with Michael Martin i suppose we aren't far behind.

Leroy42 wrote: »

So we have moved back to the 'both bad as each other' defence?


Kid, you cannot possibly expect anyone to take you seriously when you kept banging the drum about Biden possibly suffering from dementia on the basis of how he speaks, and then have literally nothing to say when Trump, yet again, rambles about talking absolute nonsense and clearly forgetting what he was supposed to be doing.

At least have some consistency and standards.

If you believe that Biden is not mentally fit to be POTUS, then surely you feel the same, and much more, about Trump.

And since we know all about Trump, as opposed to a theory about Biden, then the only rational decision is to go with Biden.

I have never questioned Bidens mental capacity. Please stop saying I did. Again, you are lumping all Trump supporters together.

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

And have you watched Biden's speech yet? What did you think?

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Yes indeed, I have watched the speech. Firstly I will say that I strongly suspect that it was pre recorded. I haven't seen him talk so coherently in a long time. I believe there must have been some trickery involved to get him through the 25 minutes.

He was using the usual public speaking gestures - looking directly at the camera, pointing his index finger when making a point etc. These things are fine when done correctly but you could see he was thinking all the time about it (either that or there was a helper off camera giving him direction). There was just something not normal about his body language, it was awkward and unnatural.

He tried to smear president Trump by using lightness and darkness metaphors but I think this backfired on him. At one point he referred to himself as the "light". Did he expose some heavy narcissism there? Just a thought.

He did not come off as "presidential" IMHO for a couple of reasons. He never referred to POTUS by name. Why is that? We all know that Donald Trump is the president. He should show respect for the office. A potential president should at the very least, have respect for the office of president. He also suckled up to Obama, ranting on about how great he is. He gave off an air of inferiority to Obama. I think this was a mistake on his part, that will not resonate with voters. A president should see himself as the leader of the people, not as second best to someone else.

I completely disagreed with his Covid remarks. Completely and utterly. He engaged in blatant scare mongering and misrepresentation of the facts (and we see these same misrepresentations here on this thread). He said the US was "By far the worst performance of any nation on earth" relating to Covid. This is just not true. The deaths per million is not near the worst in the world, not near it. Biden is lying and the fact that most people do not know anyone who has died from Covid means the average American will not believe what he is saying. The average American (like the rest of us) has simply been inconvenienced by the virus. When it all blows over, they will thank President Trump for his tactics. They will have jobs to go back to.

Biden speaks about what he would have done to tackle Covid. Now, that is all well and good from his vantage point. But the president must factor in much more than preventing the spread of the disease. Not least, he must think about the economy. Decisions need to be made to protect people's jobs and livelihoods. These decisions will cause preventable deaths. But a true leader will make these decisions, not run away from them. I feel that Biden detailing his rose tinted response to Covid was a bit of an own goal, it highlights the reality of how good Trump is doing. Biden wanted to shut down the country from the start? Bloody hell, can you imagine what would have happened? The US would be much worse off economically and in turn, the world.

His speech is littered with supposed messages of hope yet when it comes to Covid, he engaged in blatant scare mongering. Mandatory nationwide wearing of masks? That is not an America I want to go to! The science is clear on mask wearing, there is no need for such strict measures. The disease is not so bad that the country needs to be shut down. Look at Sweden, they are doing fine. I think president Trump has found the perfect balance for protecting lives as well as the economy. I've said it before and I'll say it again, leadership is not so black and white. We all have our theories about how Covid should have been tackled but none of us are in the position President Trump is in (not even Biden). The president must make tough decisions that will lead to heartache for some but be for the greater good.

He spoke about the "current occupant" of the Whitehouse "fanning the flames of division" but goes on to use words like the "murder" when speaking about George Floyd. Terribly hypocritical especially when you consider the new video footage of Floyds death. It proves beyond any doubt that his death had nothing to do with race. We all know that Floyd was not killed because he was black. He died because he was a drug addict and a criminal. It was accidental. It is Biden and the left who are "fanning the flames of division".

He engaged in the usual boring identity politics - equal pay for women, fairness and privilege, help the middle class & not the rich etc etc. This kind of crap needs to die if you're going to get the average American onboard. Everyone knows that women and men have the same opportunities and that any pay disparity there might be has nothing to do with sexism. Everyone knows that blacks and other minorities' high crime statistics have nothing to do with racism. We all know these things on a rational and instinctive level. He needs to speak about the real issues, not this SJW level crap.

Why did he bring up the "very fine people" incident again? I can't understand this, we all know what Trump meant and we can all verify that independently. Biden comes off as very dishonest when he demonstrably takes the president's words out of context. Attack Trump on his policies and actions, not on things he didn't say. School yard level tactics there from Biden and insulting to the intelligence of Americans. Does he think they are all stupid or something?

I still maintain that Biden will not be running. I know, he has accepted the nomination, it is all official now but I can still see a change down the road, possibly before the debates. He is just too bad a candidate, he comes off as too old, he would not be doing a second term, he lies demonstrably, he seems to care more about optics than reality, the sound of his voice is off putting to me (and I'd imagine to the average voter). He is just a terrible candidate, highly unlikable and his VP pick is hated even by a great many of his supporters. There is absolutely no way Biden will win (regardless of what the polls say). He has no chance.