Minister for Agriculture attends 81-person golf event in breach of health guidelines

Sheep breeder · 22-08-2020 08:25AM

boardise wrote: »

What should happen -but won't- is that Michael Creed be reinstated as Min for Ag. With Brexit hotting up again this is no time to be sending a rookie into this vital department. Creed is au fait with much of the detail and can hold the fort when necessary.

Would you go away out of that, what did he do for farmers during his time in office f ck all and when the beef strikes were on. That guy doesn’t know what day of the week it is. Leave that c nt in cork.

jacool · 22-08-2020 08:27AM

"An EU Commission spokesperson said Mr Hogan had acted in "good faith" when he attended the event and had received assurances that the event would be held in full compliance with the regulations introduced by the Irish Government."

For anyone planning to attend anything for the next while, you can print this on a tee-shirt.

I am acting in "good faith". I have received assurances that the event is being held in full compliance with the regulations introduced by the Irish Government.
Sorted!

jacool · 22-08-2020 08:34AM

Paddygreen wrote: »

Guys, I think we need to calm down here and get some perspective. Our leaders have been working very hard fighting Covid19 and some of them who happen to like golf had a bit of grub after a day pumping the irons. Big deal, easy to social distance on the green guys. As for dinner, are we seriously begrudging them a bite to eat after all they have done for us during the emergency we currently find ourselves in? As we all know a lot of work gets done on golf courses and it’s not all fun and games. I would imagine there was a lot of brainstorming going on, I admire them for taking the risk to meet up so solutions could be discussed in an informal setting.

This is all well and good, but I must bring you to book on a fundamental requirement of "brainstorming". There's a clue in the word, and it has nothing to do with storm Ellen, and there was none of it in evidence with this crowd.

Paddygreen · 22-08-2020 08:36AM

jacool wrote: »

"An EU Commission spokesperson said Mr Hogan had acted in "good faith" when he attended the event and had received assurances that the event would be held in full compliance with the regulations introduced by the Irish Government."

For anyone planning to attend anything for the next while, you can print this on a tee-shirt.

I am acting in "good faith". I have received assurances that the event is being held in full compliance with the regulations introduced by the Irish Government.
Sorted!

I’d say there was a big mistake and too many statesmen and dignitaries got invited by accident. We should give our leaders some slack, they need to unwind sometimes given they are in unprecedented times. The stress alone must be unreal. A bit more understanding on the public’s part would be nice going forward.

xl500 · 22-08-2020 08:38AM

Paddygreen wrote: »

I’d say there was a big mistake and too many statesmen and dignitaries got invited by accident. We should give our leaders some slack, they need to unwind sometimes.

troll

Thierry12 · 22-08-2020 08:41AM

golfball37 wrote: »

It should also be noted if this virus is as serious as we are led to believe these leaders put the lives of the staff, other guests and and their families lives at risk.

Exactly

That's the question media should be asking

They are all fat old guys too, the at risk group

_Kaiser_ · 22-08-2020 08:42AM

IT article this morning would seem to suggest the wheels are coming off rapidly..

Calleary tried the immediate and abject apology, calling a furious Martin on Thursday evening, as well as contacting the Green Party, Fine Gael and the acting chief medical officer. By Friday morning it was clear contrition would not be sufficient. People at all levels of Government were hopping mad, shouting and texting expletive-ridden condemnations to one another. “I can’t f**king believe it! No! I can! I f**king can!” raged one. More seriously, outside the bubble of Government, a mighty wave of public outrage was building. Calleary was smart enough to read the situation, and resigned rather than face the alternative.

We may lack quantitative measurements of these things, but it would be very unwise to underestimate the level of public anger about the revelations. Government politicians listened to Liveline on RTÉ radio in fear and anger. “I have never seen anything cut through like this,” said one worried TD on Friday afternoon.

And of course, this all comes hot on the heels of the row over the latest NPHET recommendations earlier in the week:

Varadkar wanted this thrashed out at a Cabinet subcommittee rather than – as some Fine Gaelers saw it – being bounced into hasty decisions at the full Cabinet. He soon made his displeasure clear. “If we keep doing business like this,” he said, “we won’t be doing business for long.”

At first, some of the people around the table or tuning in weren’t sure they had heard right. Was the Tánaiste really talking about the potential end of the coalition Government – after seven weeks? It was perhaps the most shocking moment of the coalition’s life so far.

“Jeez that was rocky,” was one Minister’s assessment afterwards. Others were more direct. The word used by five different people, either present or briefed afterwards, was “****show”.

“Actually, it was worse than was reported,” said another senior figure a few days afterwards.

So, the real question is fast becoming, will the Government survive this, never mind the political careers of the individuals at the dinner

golfball37 · 22-08-2020 08:44AM

Paddygreen wrote: »

I’d say there was a big mistake and too many statesmen and dignitaries got invited by accident. We should give our leaders some slack, they need to unwind sometimes given they are in unprecedented times. The stress alone must be unreal. A bit more understanding on the public’s part would be nice going forward.

Back in the golden days of afr that would have seen you eating 8lb trout for a week.

appledrop · 22-08-2020 08:46AM

Thierry12 wrote: »

Exactly

That's the question media should be asking

They are all fat old guys too, the at risk group

I tell you what would be good. If MM turned around + said everyone at the event needed to get a Covid test. Then they would know what's its like for Factory Workers etc.

They all seem to think only effects the plebs not them. Imagine if one of them tested positive? Id say good chance as coming from all different parts of country + obviously don't care about Covid rules.

lawrencesummers · 22-08-2020 08:54AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

IT article this morning would seem to suggest the wheels are coming off rapidly..

And of course, this all comes hot on the heels of the row over the latest NPHET recommendations earlier in the week:

So, the real question is fast becoming, will the Government survive this, never mind the political careers of the individuals at the dinner

It’s pretty clear to me that the vast majority of FF Members at all levels are completely unable to behave appropriately, so while this might not bring down the government, (and I sincerely hope it doesn’t only because of the timing) I have no doubt that the next crisis involving FF isn’t far away and the downfall of the Government will ultimately be FF incompetence.

As a partner in government there comes a point where FG can only stand by and watch so much happening before some of the mud starts to stick to them, the fiddler can’t keep playing while Rome burns.

Thierry12 · 22-08-2020 08:56AM

appledrop wrote: »

I tell you what would be good. If MM turned around + said everyone at the event needed to get a Covid test. Then they would know what's its like for Factory Workers etc.

They all seem to think only effects the plebs not them. Imagine if one of them tested positive? Id say good chance as coming from all different parts of country + obviously don't care about Covid rules.

Excellent idea

Be some laugh alright if one tested positive

Cute Hoor · 22-08-2020 09:04AM

Sheep breeder wrote: »

Sorry not being smart here, but 81 cream of the crop no way. They are all full of their own importance and all have shown what they are really about by attending this hotel, answer this one if bomb went off in the hotel and wiped them all out would any brains be found scattered about. No a single cell and would any of them be missed. Who would miss big Phil, the wig, Dara I am mayo and entitled and the rest of the c nts.
Thing of all the families who lost loved ones and couldn’t attend funerals and these 81 should be all lined up against the wall and shot.

Apologies Sheep, I should of course have said '81 people who think they are the cream of the crop'

lawrencesummers · 22-08-2020 09:05AM

They should all he made get tested at their own expense and the their expenses examined.

Cute Hoor · 22-08-2020 09:07AM

Paddygreen wrote: »

Guys, I think we need to calm down here and get some perspective. Our leaders have been working very hard fighting Covid19 and some of them who happen to like golf had a bit of grub after a day pumping the irons. Big deal, easy to social distance on the green guys. As for dinner, are we seriously begrudging them a bite to eat after all they have done for us during the emergency we currently find ourselves in? As we all know a lot of work gets done on golf courses and it’s not all fun and games. I would imagine there was a lot of brainstorming going on, I admire them for taking the risk to meet up so solutions could be discussed in an informal setting.

Excellent Paddy, and a few mackerel hauled in

Gerry Hatrick · 22-08-2020 09:10AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

It’s pretty clear to me that the vast majority of FF Members at all levels are completely unable to behave appropriately, so while this might not bring down the government, (and I sincerely hope it doesn’t only because of the timing) I have no doubt that the next crisis involving FF isn’t far away and the downfall of the Government will ultimately be FF incompetence.

As a partner in government there comes a point where FG can only stand by and watch so much happening before some of the mud starts to stick to them, the fiddler can’t keep playing while Rome burns.

FG are covered in mud also.

Shefwedfan · 22-08-2020 09:11AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

They should all he made get tested at their own expense and the their expenses examined.

If thats the case anyone having a house party should have same requirements placed on them

BQQ · 22-08-2020 09:12AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

It’s pretty clear to me that the vast majority of FF Members at all levels are completely unable to behave appropriately, so while this might not bring down the government, (and I sincerely hope it doesn’t only because of the timing) I have no doubt that the next crisis involving FF isn’t far away and the downfall of the Government will ultimately be FF incompetence.

As a partner in government there comes a point where FG can only stand by and watch so much happening before some of the mud starts to stick to them, the fiddler can’t keep playing while Rome burns.

Ok, this codology has to be challenged.

As a partner in government FG are not standing by, they are actively involved in every decision being made.

It’s pretty clear to me that the vast majority of FG Members at all levels are completely unable to behave appropriately - several were at the dinner in question

I’m pretty sick of FG trying to pretend they’re not in govt.
They are. And they were in the one before (Without FF) that failed to protect nursing homes Or provide enough PPE to our hospitals

Cute Hoor · 22-08-2020 09:13AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

It’s pretty clear to me that the vast majority of FF Members at all levels are completely unable to behave appropriately, so while this might not bring down the government, (and I sincerely hope it doesn’t only because of the timing) I have no doubt that the next crisis involving FF isn’t far away and the downfall of the Government will ultimately be FF incompetence.

As a partner in government there comes a point where FG can only stand by and watch so much happening before some of the mud starts to stick to them, the fiddler can’t keep playing while Rome burns.

It’s pretty clear to me that the vast majority of FFG Members at all levels are completely unable to behave appropriately, so while this might not bring down the government, (and I sincerely hope it doesn’t only because of the timing) I have no doubt that the next crisis involving FFG isn’t far away and the downfall of the Government will ultimately be FFG incompetence.

22-08-2020 09:14AM

Wow. I'm just catching up with this news event now.

It looks like people in power are telling us things about this virus that they don't believe.

I'm shocked, and my whole worldview is going to change as a consequence.

Resignations are in order, as everyone else has said. I'm sure the people who replace them will be totally different.

the purple tin · 22-08-2020 09:14AM

xl500 wrote: »

troll

Someone connected with FF or FG I would say. PR, an assistant, or a party supporter at the least.

There are a few of them popping up defending Golfgate and calling us eejits for getting so hysterical over a storm in a teacup. One of them even said it was because we are all lazy and unemployed :rolleyes:

They are easy to spot: anyone using the term 'covid police' is one.

Gerry Hatrick · 22-08-2020 09:18AM

Paddygreen wrote: »

Guys, I think we need to calm down here and get some perspective. Our leaders have been working very hard fighting Covid19 and some of them who happen to like golf had a bit of grub after a day pumping the irons. Big deal, easy to social distance on the green guys. As for dinner, are we seriously begrudging them a bite to eat after all they have done for us during the emergency we currently find ourselves in? As we all know a lot of work gets done on golf courses and it’s not all fun and games. I would imagine there was a lot of brainstorming going on, I admire them for taking the risk to meet up so solutions could be discussed in an informal setting.

Weak. You get points for effort on some level but you need to work on your style and delivery. It's takes years of practice and dedication to your craft to hone your skills so you don't look obvious.

2/10 Must try harder.

El Weirdo · 22-08-2020 09:18AM

the purple tin wrote: »

Someone connected with FF or FG I would say. PR, an assistant, or a party supporter at the least.

There are a few of them popping up defending Golfgate and calling us eejits for getting so hysterical over a storm in a teacup. One of them even said it was because we are all lazy and unemployed :rolleyes:

They are easy to spot: anyone using the term 'covid police' is one.

No, he's a troll. He trolls the same bollocks all over the site.

Hawthorn Tree · 22-08-2020 09:26AM

Cute Hoor wrote: »

It’s pretty clear to me that the vast majority of FFG Members at all levels are completely unable to behave appropriately, so while this might not bring down the government, (and I sincerely hope it doesn’t only because of the timing) I have no doubt that the next crisis involving FFG isn’t far away and the downfall of the Government will ultimately be FFG incompetence.

FFG have held power since the foundation of the state. It has made them feel superior and untouchable. My own hope is that FF disappear at the next GE. Less than 10 seats would be ideal. My 2nd preference is that they merge with FG because they are identical.

McMurphy · 22-08-2020 09:27AM

Remember The Rape Of Lucretia?

What ever happened that lad?

Gods Gift · 22-08-2020 09:31AM

McMurphy wrote: »

Remember The Rape Of Lucretia?

What ever happened that lad?

Trial by social media?

Itssoeasy · 22-08-2020 09:39AM

I can’t believe that not one of the 81 of them didn’t think at any stage(or maybe they did) that maybe this isn’t a good idea. Also yes this shouldn’t have happened and what has happened to those high profile people is right and proper.

I’ve said all this week that the messaging has been poor and the hotel association are saying they contacted the dept of tourism for guidelines and none were available which as I say does speak to the mess these new regulations are.

Edgware · 22-08-2020 09:39AM

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

FG are covered in mud also.

I suppose its better than being covered in blood

TCDStudent1 · 22-08-2020 09:54AM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I can’t believe that not one of the 81 of them didn’t think at any stage(or maybe they did) that maybe this isn’t a good idea. Also yes this shouldn’t have happened and what has happened to those high profile people is right and proper.

I’ve said all this week that the messaging has been poor and the hotel association are saying they contacted the dept of tourism for guidelines and none were available which as I say does speak to the mess these new regulations are.

One report suggested that there may have been 1 guy who played golf but didnt go to the dinner. They were trying to confirm it at the time but I didn't hear anything else about it.

Bullocks · 22-08-2020 09:57AM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

One report suggested that there may have been 1 guy who played golf but didnt go to the dinner. They were trying to confirm it at the time but I didn't hear anything else about it.

Creed supposedly played the golf but didn't go for the dinner

lawrencesummers · 22-08-2020 10:08AM

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

FG are covered in mud also.

Indeed they are, but their mud has come from mistakes and lack of ability, FF are just in the habit of picking up the mud and rubbing it all over themselves because their level of incompetence is accompanied with far greater levels of arrogance, disillusionment and entitlement.

Minister for Agriculture attends 81-person golf event in breach of health guidelines

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