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2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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  • #3002
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,861 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Sweetemotion wrote: »
    I'm sure you can provide extensive medical evidence analysis of his almost 50 years in Congress of a constant stutter?

    Rather than a 40 second promo opportunity.

    https://www.stutteringhelp.org/content/joe-biden

    It’s no secret that Vice President Biden has struggled with a stutter throughout his life, but it makes it all the more impressive and inspiring that he has risen to the second-highest office you can possibly hold in the United States.

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-09-15/joe-bidens-childhood-struggle-with-a-stutter%3f_amp=true
    But for Biden, it was a triumph in a long struggle to overcome a debilitating stutter.

    That struggle led him to brawl with schoolyard bullies, to memorize and recite Irish poetry, and to witness his mother threaten a nun who had humiliated him.

    https://stutteringtreatment.org/yes-joe-biden-is-a-person-who-stutters/
    Unfortunately, the media has tended to negatively portray Biden’s overall oratory skills, clearly failing to differentiate that episodes of stuttering do not in any way reflect lack of intelligence or communication skills.

    But yeah, maybe he is faking it :rolleyes:


  • #3003
    8mv
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭8mv


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Thats how a president acts!

    Now watch some gobshìte claim Biden was "creepy" in his interactions with that boy.

    Compare and contrast with Trump mocking a disabled reporter.


  • #3004
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,198 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Is this what we’re reduced to now?

    Now that the dementia arguments are out to bed it’s if he really has a stutter?

    Some people need to actually get a life.

    i agree TBH.

    JB could resolve this so easily with releasing his medical records, don't you agree?

    wasn't that joe's shtick's regarding trump and tax returns?... 'if you've nothing to hide, release them'?


  • #3005
    ollkiller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 925 ✭✭✭ollkiller


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Is this what we’re reduced to now?

    Now that the dementia arguments are out to bed it’s if he really has a stutter?

    Some people need to actually get a life.

    Totally. Instead of the Obama birther saga we have now stooped to is he faking a stammer. Christ like. What next. If he was in wheelchair would they be saying he can walk.


  • #3006
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,861 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    i agree TBH.

    JB could resolve this so easily with releasing his medical records, don't you agree?

    wasn't that joe's shtick's regarding trump and tax returns?... 'if you've nothing to hide, release them'?

    Will Trump release his medical records? Especially seeing as he has made two unexpected and unannounced visits to hospital in the last few months?

    Also, would a stammer for over 50 years even be on someone's medical records? Is a stammer a medical condistion?


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  • #3007
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    i agree TBH.

    JB could resolve this so easily with releasing his medical records, don't you agree?

    wasn't that joe's shtick's regarding trump and tax returns?... 'if you've nothing to hide, release them'?

    You agree that you need to get a life. Go ahead.

    I wouldn’t be at all surprised if we soon get to the stage where Joe has to prove his first wife and his daughter were killed.


  • #3008
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,861 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    ollkiller wrote: »
    Totally. Instead of the Obama birther saga we have now stooped to is he faking a stammer. Christ like. What next. If he was in wheelchair would they be saying he can walk.

    Franklin D Roosevelt would be fùcked in the world of the Trump zealots.


  • #3009
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,861 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Faugheen wrote: »
    You agree that you need to get a life. Go ahead.

    I wouldn’t be at all surprised if we soon get to the stage where Joe has to prove his first wife and his daughter were killed.

    The new Trump chant

    Dig them up

    Dig them up

    Dig them up


  • #3010
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    i agree TBH.

    JB could resolve this so easily with releasing his medical records, don't you agree?

    wasn't that joe's shtick's regarding trump and tax returns?... 'if you've nothing to hide, release them'?

    Sort of like trump and his tax returns?


  • #3011
    SlowMotion321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 415 ✭✭SlowMotion321


    Can someone please explain what the fcuk a stammer has to do with a) the mans mental competence? and b) His ability to lead? Or anything else for that matter!


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  • #3012
    [Deleted User]
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Will Trump release his medical records? Especially seeing as he has made two unexpected and unannounced visits to hospital in the last few months?

    Also, would a stammer for over 50 years even be on someone's medical records? Is a stammer a medical condistion?
    It's a medical condition to a degree but would only really have surfaced on school records I imagine. So really they should be asking for Biden's speech and language therapy records. Which is obviously a very silly demand. Don't believe any previous president has been asked to divulge such info. :P


  • #3013
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,198 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I had a speech impediment from childhood that included stuttering. Signs of it still show up in my speech at times but in general, nobody would be even about to guess. It's also more likely to surface when under higher stress etc. Which this would be far greater stress than any other point politically for him.

    as did i.

    still have the copy books (parents still have) at home where i went to a speech therapist and was thought how to pronounce 'r'. Still cant, mind you. i look at them every so often and try to work through the exercises.. :pac:

    thats not the debate though - you can appreciate that?

    stuttering in old age (when previously there was no stutter before), is a sign of mental degradation. Can you acknowledge that?


  • #3014
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    All I know is, for someone who doesn’t have a stutter, he knows everything there is to know about what it’s like to have one, and how to help kids get over theirs.

    But yeah, show the medals.

    This is up there with the GAA suggesting Dr Ronan Glynn didn’t have evidence to back up the public health advice of clusters among people meeting up to go to GAA games.


  • #3015
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,861 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    as did i.

    still have the copy books (parents still have) at home where i went to a speech therapist and was thought how to pronounce 'r'. Still cant, mind you. i look at them every so often and try to work through the exercises.. :pac:

    thats not the debate though - you can appreciate that?

    stuttering in old age (when previously there was no stutter before), is a sign of mental degradation. Can you acknowledge that?

    Who says there wasn't one there before?


  • #3016
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Who says there wasn't one there before?

    People grasping at straws?


  • #3017
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,198 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    Faugheen wrote: »
    You agree that you need to get a life. Go ahead.

    I wouldn’t be at all surprised if we soon get to the stage where Joe has to prove his first wife and his daughter were killed.

    thats the problem. dont you see that?

    look at you, trying to insult me by saying i need to get a life.

    lets not debate the issues on the ground, lets shout people down with insults.


  • #3018
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    as did i.

    still have the copy books (parents still have) at home where i went to a speech therapist and was thought how to pronounce 'r'. Still cant, mind you. i look at them every so often and try to work through the exercises.. :pac:

    thats not the debate though - you can appreciate that?

    stuttering in old age (when previously there was no stutter before), is a sign of mental degradation. Can you acknowledge that?

    Once again, a person who had a stutter where it still occasionally resurfaces isn't a sign of mental degradation. Speech therapy can train it to be managed but there's still an element of ongoing management of it in later life. That's gonna apply even more so for a person who publicly speaks.

    To use an example, there are two scenarios where it resurfaced for me. When I was a teen, I was bullied intensely. It manifested. Then I did a public speaking thing as part of my job and it resurfaced again. Neither were signs of mental degradation. Biden's surfaced at times but he's got a strong handle on it. That's what it amounts to.

    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    thats the problem. dont you see that?

    look at you, trying to insult me by saying i need to get a life.

    lets not debate the issues on the ground, lets shout people down with insults.

    You're inventing conspiracies about him never having a stutter. It's a pretty stupid talking point.


  • #3019
    RickDeckard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 254 ✭✭RickDeckard


    Stutter or not , he forgets what he is talking about mid sentance , often.

    Trump is going to destroy the Dems, and its the Dems fault.


    Im no fan of Trump.


  • #3020
    [Deleted User]
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    RickDeckard wrote: »
    Stutter or not , he forgets what he is talking about mid sentance , often.

    Trump is going to destroy the Dems, and its the Dems fault.


    Im no fan of Trump.
    Trump in mid sentence got distracted by a mosquito and started ranting about killing sharks...


  • #3021
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    y0ssar1an22 wrote: »
    thats the problem. dont you see that?

    look at you, trying to insult me by saying i need to get a life.

    lets not debate the issues on the ground, lets shout people down with insults.

    You’re suggesting that a man who spent his entire political life (long before you or I were born) raising awareness about stutters never even had one, and demanding that he (or we) show evidence.

    You think because you had a speech impediment you can decide who has one and who doesn’t? No, it’s people like you who are the ones that would make up such a lie so you can present yourself as an expert and make all of us feel guilty for calling you out on it.

    Get down off your high horse. You’re another one of these people who sow the seeds and when it’s called out for the bull**** that it is you play the victim.

    So yes, go and get a life.


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  • #3022
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,198 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Who says there wasn't one there before?

    i dont know of there was.

    the man has been in public office since 1973. was there one before?

    it should be easy enough to prove me wrong.


  • #3023
    RickDeckard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 254 ✭✭RickDeckard


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Trump in mid sentence got distracted by a mosquito and started ranting about killing sharks...


    That is funny tbh.

    Brutal that these two is the best the Yanks can come up with. Sad.


  • #3024
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    RickDeckard wrote: »
    That is funny tbh.

    Brutal that these two is the best the Yanks can come up with. Sad.


    Unfortunately Batman isn't real, Abraham Lincoln is dead and Martin Sheen isn't really a politician.


    After the Primaries, Biden came out on top. I'd have preferred Warren or Buttigieg or even Yang but primary voters went with Biden. If you were ever driven around by a drunk crazy fecker high on meth, you'd love to replace him with an old, sober, boring butler.


    That's Biden. Boring but competent.


  • #3025
    y0ssar1an22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,198 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    Faugheen wrote: »
    You’re suggesting that a man who spent his entire political life (long before you or I were born) raising awareness about stutters never even had one, and demanding that he (or we) show evidence.

    You think because you had a speech impediment you can decide who has one and who doesn’t? No, it’s people like you who are the ones that would make up such a lie so you can present yourself as an expert and make all of us feel guilty for calling you out on it.

    Get down off your high horse. You’re another one of these people who sow the seeds and when it’s called out for the bull**** that it is you play the victim.

    So yes, go and get a life.

    few things...

    has he spent his whole political life raising awareness about stutters. if he did, kudos. that's not the debate though.

    people are alluding to the fact that he has always had a stutter. i was simply looking for evidence. if yes, thats easy to prove me wrong.

    none of us are experts. But the least people can ask for is evidence of something.
    so please, prove me wrong. it should be easy.


  • #3026
    RickDeckard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 254 ✭✭RickDeckard


    mcmoustache wrote: »
    Unfortunately Batman isn't real, Abraham Lincoln is dead and Martin Sheen isn't really a politician.


    After the Primaries, Biden came out on top. I'd have preferred Warren or Buttigieg or even Yang but primary voters went with Biden. If you were ever driven around by a drunk crazy fecker high on meth, you'd love to replace him with an old, sober, boring butler.


    That's Biden. Boring but competent.

    I would have agreed a few years ago, but Bidens decline is obvious.


  • #3027
    SlowMotion321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 415 ✭✭SlowMotion321


    RickDeckard wrote: »
    I would have agreed a few years ago, but Bidens decline is obvious.

    He's what they have put forward (he wouldn't be my pick either) but would you rather have Trump?


  • #3028
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    RickDeckard wrote: »
    I would have agreed a few years ago, but Bidens decline is obvious.


    Sure, there's a decline as ever by age but he doesn't get distracted by flies and go away with the fairies ranting about sharks.


    The US system, shítty as it is, pits two people against each other for the presidency. That gives people a binary comparison. One can agree that Biden has declined a bit but that's nothing in comparison to the guy who's ramblings baffle translators.


    It's a question of scale.


  • #3029
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    SlowMotion321 wrote: »
    He's what they have put forward (he wouldn't be my pick either) but would you rather have Trump?


    Yes. He's "not a Trump supporter" but thinks that the odd slip-up by Biden is comparable to the nonsensical ramblings of a Donald that always thinks he's at a campaign rally.


  • #3030
    SlowMotion321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 415 ✭✭SlowMotion321


    mcmoustache wrote: »
    Yes. He's "not a Trump supporter" but thinks that the odd slip-up by Biden is comparable to the nonsensical ramblings of a Donald that always thinks he's at a campaign rally.

    It's a bit like comparing apples to Orangemen! :)


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  • #3031
    rossie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,442 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    RickDeckard wrote: »
    Stutter or not , he forgets what he is talking about mid sentance , often.

    Trump is going to destroy the Dems, and its the Dems fault.


    Im no fan of Trump.

    Trump goes off rambling every public appearance..

    How will Trump destroy the Dems? Explain

    Voters picked Biden not the Democrat party. In fact Biden spent no money during the primaries and still blew away candidates who spent heavily.


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