2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

Carfacemandog · 19-08-2020 01:23AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Would you have more confidence of it getting unsealed under Trump or Biden? Serious question.

I want to see it go to trial, I'm not even go to say it but you know what I'm thinking.

Biden, because unlike Trump he wasn't a codefendant with Jeffrey Epstein in a child rape case.

briany · 19-08-2020 01:33AM

I see Michelle Obama did a speech at the DNC. If there's one person pro-Trump trolls hate, and I mean f*cking HATE, it's Michelle Obama. She really bothers them for some reason.

She's the one who conspiracy theorist Alex Jones accused of being a transexual. That's some strange mud to sling.

Manic Moran · 19-08-2020 01:55AM

Overheal wrote: »

Essentially: POTUS has the authority to declare a postal emergency and use military logistics to ensure timely deliveries.

The catch is that the postal service (already a little short on cash) has to pay for it. The other catch is that the Conplan works on the basis of 'stoppage' (eg caused by strikes, natural disaster), and specifically distinguishes it from a 'slowdown' in which no US military action would be expected. Not all the references are public, I don't know if that is a policy or a mandatory distinction.

ceadaoin. · 19-08-2020 02:31AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

If he did know about Maxwell's involvement with Epstein's dirty business, do you think he would have invited her to his daughter's wedding? Have a little think about it.

Well prince Andrew knew full well about their dirty dealings and still invited Epstein and Maxwell to his daughters 18th birthday party. Have a think about that. He gave a known (to him) sex offender and groomer access to his teenage daughter and her friends. I mean, I dont think these people operate with the same level as morals as the rest of us, so the fact that she was at a wedding doesn't mean he wasn't aware. Theyre all neck deep in it, including trump

Rjd2 · 19-08-2020 04:55AM

Cody montana wrote: »

General Colin Powell will be speaking at the DNC tonight to endorse Joe Biden.

Twitter tantrum incoming.

The man who played a big role in lying the USA into the Iraq war speaking at what is supposedly a left wing party convention.

How many Never Trump war monger scumbags are going to feature this week?

Beginning to think Biden is trying to bait the left with this ****e.

Rjd2 · 19-08-2020 05:04AM

https://twitter.com/InternetHippo/status/1295886950130282501

Kidchameleon · 19-08-2020 05:53AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Works perfectly well for me.

https://forward.com/schmooze/357185/7-creepy-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-ivanka/

Which ones need "verifying"?

The link now works thanks (I got a 404 when I first tried it). How about the last one:

“Is it wrong to be more sexually attracted to your own daughter than your wife?"

I cant find a proper source for that other than hearsay.

Irishman80 · 19-08-2020 06:24AM

Overheal wrote: »

Is the only evidence that he's on the island at any point come from 'hearsay?'

Since when did sworn testimony to a court from a witness saying she saw Clinton on the Island become hearsay evidence?

namloc1980 · 19-08-2020 08:30AM

Rjd2 wrote: »

The man who played a big role in lying the USA into the Iraq war speaking at what is supposedly a left wing party convention.

How many Never Trump war monger scumbags are going to feature this week?

Beginning to think Biden is trying to bait the left with this ****e.

The Democratic party is not a left wing party.

ohnonotgmail · 19-08-2020 08:39AM

Rjd2 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/InternetHippo/status/1295886950130282501

If that annoys you then you are going to hate the GOP convention. It has an epstein co-accused appearing every night.

weisses · 19-08-2020 08:48AM

Rjd2 wrote: »

The man who played a big role in lying the USA into the Iraq war

Of course He did, He is a Republican, serving under a bunch of other neo cons republicans who couldn't wait to go to war

And he still thinks Trump is worse then that .... Go figure :rolleyes:

Eric Cartman · 19-08-2020 09:15AM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

A nice token gesture.

now to wait for the false outrage, outrage over something irrelevant to the story or Susan B magically becoming known as Susan B slave owner klan woman racist.

EDIT : Wow ^^^^^ 2 minutes is all it took.

https://mobile.twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1295805917326266368?s=21

Didnt take long.... these people are relentless

ChikiChiki · 19-08-2020 09:19AM

So the Republic Convention is getting the people who pointed guns (rightly or wrongly) at BLM protestors and the kid who had words with a Native American to speak.

The optics of this are absolutely terrible. An increased effort to create divisions if anything.

WrenBoy · 19-08-2020 09:21AM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1295805917326266368?s=21

Didnt take long.... these people are relentless

You called it :pac::pac:, well done. It just seems spiteful because of the pardon.

Igotadose · 19-08-2020 09:22AM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1295805917326266368?s=21

Didnt take long.... these people are relentless

Great video. Learned a lot from it, definitely worth watching.
The #IMPOTUS gesture probably vetted by Miller - another dogwhistle.

weisses · 19-08-2020 09:25AM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1295805917326266368?s=21

Didnt take long.... these people are relentless

In other words, Douglass was a man of his time, which was every bit as unforgiving as ours. Blight points out that though Douglass was an ardent supporter of women’s suffrage, the sole male speaker at the Seneca Falls convention of 1848, the question of the black vote prompted a split and “some brutal racism” towards Douglass from Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan Anthony, pioneers of women’s rights.

Maybe because she is seen as a racist ??

Quin_Dub · 19-08-2020 09:43AM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

So the Republic Convention is getting the people who pointed guns (rightly or wrongly) at BLM protestors and the kid who had words with a Native American to speak.

The optics of this are absolutely terrible. An increased effort to create divisions if anything.

Just on those two - The specifics of their current case haven't been decided in court just yet , but they definitely appear to be just all round awful people

By all accounts they have sued all round them for years , including all of their neighbours.

He sued his father twice , once when the father was in dementia care.

Just one frivolous lawsuit after another.

Actually , on second thoughts , they are a perfect fit for a Trump convention.

In 2013, he destroyed bee hives placed just outside of the mansion’s northern wall by the neighboring Jewish Central Reform Congregation and left a note saying he did it, and if the mess wasn’t cleaned up quickly he would seek a restraining order and attorneys fees. The congregation had planned to harvest the honey and pick apples from trees on its property for Rosh Hashanah.

“The children were crying in school,” Rabbi Susan Talve said. “It was part of our curriculum.”

Eric Cartman · 19-08-2020 09:54AM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Just on those two - The specifics of their current case haven't been decided in court just yet , but they definitely appear to be just all round awful people

By all accounts they have sued all round them for years , including all of their neighbours.

He sued his father twice , once when the father was in dementia care.

Just one frivolous lawsuit after another.

Actually , on second thoughts , they are a perfect fit for a Trump convention.

First time ive ever seen someone use the daily mail to go against conservatives.

The thing about the beehive owner being a jew is clearly a dogwhistle to the left and thrown in there for no other reason but sure here.

Also theyre american, suing the guy over the german Shepard or the maserati is perfectly standard in the USA’s legal culture.

These people seem like entitled a*sholes but that story very much wants to paint them as gun toting land stealing racist homophobes. Media sensationalism to suit a narrative at its best

Quin_Dub · 19-08-2020 10:04AM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

First time ive ever seen someone use the daily mail to go against conservatives.

The thing about the beehive owner being a jew is clearly a dogwhistle to the left and thrown in there for no other reason but sure here.

Also theyre american, suing the guy over the german Shepard or the maserati is perfectly standard in the USA’s legal culture.

These people seem like entitled a*sholes but that story very much wants to paint them as gun toting land stealing racist homophobes. Media sensationalism to suit a narrative at its best

I used the daily mail because all the other links to the story were Geo-blocked here due to GDPR (The original is from a local St Louis paper)until I found the other link via an aggregator site.

Interesting that you took the Jewish angle from the bee-hive story.

For me it was about an a$$hole kicking over a kids school project - Who the kids were or what type of school it was,was irrelevant.

Not sure if you read the 2nd , more detailed link , which details all of their court cases of which there are MANY . Most of which were dismissed as frivolous. but it confirms everything the 1st article suggests.

They are indeed Racist , Homphobic , Land stealing dickheads , who also point guns at people to make a point and not just "when in fear for their lives".

Absolutely ZERO sensationalism involved.

namloc1980 · 19-08-2020 10:07AM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1295805917326266368?s=21

Didnt take long.... these people are relentless

What didn't take long? That particular video was published in November 2018. Nice attempt though to try to make it about poor little Donald.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlQn2_ehMU8

WrenBoy · 19-08-2020 10:09AM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

They are indeed Racist , Homphobic , Land stealing dickheads , who also point guns at people to make a point and not just "when in fear for their lives".

Absolutely ZERO sensationalism involved.

Cant go into the links at the minute, what did they do that was Racist and homophobic? I only know them from the story about the mob at their house.

mcmoustache · 19-08-2020 10:17AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

What didn't take long? That particular video was published in November 2018. Nice attempt though to try to make it about poor little Donald.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlQn2_ehMU8

Why would someone misrepresent a video like that? Eric posted that video as if it was a reaction to the Trump pardon. But if the video was made before the pardon, it would be difficult for it to be a reaction - cause and effect and all that.

So, was Eric simply misled by some dodgy right-wing source in his media bubble or did he know this already and posted it anyway in an attempt to deceive people for internet points?

ohnonotgmail · 19-08-2020 10:19AM

mcmoustache wrote: »

Why would someone misrepresent a video like that? Eric posted that video as if it was a reaction to the Trump pardon. But if the video was made before the pardon, it would be difficult for it to be a reaction - cause and effect and all that.

So, was Eric simply misled by some dodgy right-wing source in his media bubble or did he know this already and posted it anyway in an attempt to deceive people for internet points?

seems to be the start of a pattern if last night is anything to go by.

Quin_Dub · 19-08-2020 10:29AM

WrenBoy wrote: »

Cant go into the links at the minute, what did they do that was Racist and homophobic? I only know them from the story about the mob at their house.

They sued their housing association (which are common organisations in American Suburbs) looking to have a gay couple removed from the area as they claimed it was against the "charter of the association.

In terms of the Racist bit - Outside of their claims relating to the current incident there's not a lot. So in the absence of a result of those courts cases I'll concede that they are perhaps not racist , but they certainly do not like "different".

I think the fundamental point here though is about the suitability or impact of having them at the GOP convention.

Compare the story lines of the "real" people seen at conventions

The Democrats had that woman whose father died of Covid talking about that tragedy and it's impact on their family.

The Republicans are going to have a Rich guy complaining that black people trampled his flowerbeds (they didn't).

At a time when ~175k people are dead and at a stage where pretty much everyone in the US at least knows of someone that has been hospitalised by the virus.

Which story is likely to resonate with more people?
Which story shows more empathy and compassion?

19-08-2020 10:30AM

mcmoustache wrote: »

Why would someone misrepresent a video like that? Eric posted that video as if it was a reaction to the Trump pardon. But if the video was made before the pardon, it would be difficult for it to be a reaction - cause and effect and all that.

So, was Eric simply misled by some dodgy right-wing source in his media bubble or did he know this already and posted it anyway in an attempt to deceive people for internet points?

In fairness, the original account put up the video again. The odder part is that he has no interest in considering the legitimate criticisms and instead gets outraged... For a guy who tends to complain about snowflakes a lot, it's amusing. :P

Cody montana · 19-08-2020 10:31AM

Any predictions for gop convention speakers?

Quin_Dub · 19-08-2020 10:38AM

Cody montana wrote: »

Any predictions for gop convention speakers?

By all accounts the whole agenda for the thing is still in flux..TV station still have not been given any details

This article has the latest list it would seem.

Mike Pence
Nikki Haley
Melania and the Kids
Various Senators/Congress people
The McCloskeys as already mentioned
Nick Sandmann ( The MAGA hat kid from the incident in Washington)
Abby Johnson (Anti-Abortion activist)
Andrew Pollack (Parkland shooting victim father)

Notable by their absence - No GW Bush , No Romney etc.

So none of the previous Presidents or nominees to speak.

Akesh · 19-08-2020 10:42AM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

So the Republic Convention is getting the people who pointed guns (rightly or wrongly) at BLM protestors and the kid who had words with a Native American to speak.

The optics of this are absolutely terrible. An increased effort to create divisions if anything.

The kid was demonised by the media for doing absolutely nothing wrong and the gun owners are examples of people protecting their property, if I was in the situation they were in I would have done the same thing to protect my family and property from rioters.

It all plays into the narrative of fake news media, which in both cases is true.

That's not saying they should be speaking at a political convention but US politics is nothing but optics anyway.

ohnonotgmail · 19-08-2020 10:47AM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

By all accounts the whole agenda for the thing is still in flux..TV station still have not been given any details

This article has the latest list it would seem.

Mike Pence

Nikki Haley

Melania and the Kids

Various Senators/Congress people

The McCloskeys as already mentioned

Nick Sandmann ( The MAGA hat kid from the incident in Washington)

Abby Johnson (Anti-Abortion activist)

Andrew Pollack (Parkland shooting victim father)

Notable by their absence - No GW Bush , No Romney etc.

So none of the previous Presidents or nominees to speak.

I'm sure Melanias delivery will make Michelles speech sound even better than the original

Quin_Dub · 19-08-2020 10:49AM

Akesh wrote: »

The kid was demonised by the media for doing absolutely nothing wrong and the gun owners are examples of people protecting their property, if I was in the situation they were in I would have done the same thing to protect my family and property from rioters.

It all plays into the narrative of fake news media, which in both cases is true.

That's not saying they should be speaking at a political convention but US politics is nothing but optics anyway.

The suggestion of a connection to "fake news" in relation to Nick Sandmann has some merit , although I'd argue it's less about "fake" news and more about the mad rush to be 1st with a story in the Internet age meaning that due diligence is no longer applied properly.

But is has absolutely nothing to do with the McCloskeys.

First off, they weren't "Rioters" , Secondly - at no point did anyone set foot on property owned by the McCloskeys yet they came running out of their house with guns to point them at people walking past , something none of the other neighbours in the area felt it necessary to do interestingly enough.

2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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