Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

road_high · 16-08-2020 10:50AM

robbiezero wrote: »

People are pouring back into the restaurants and pubs from what I can see. Loads of demand there. Here in D5 you have to have a restaurant well booked in advance. Local pubs very busy too.

Tbh I think many are voting with their feet. There’s no doubt anything that is open has been and is very busy- they are absolutely sick and tired of lockdown and their “worry” has waned majorly. Because if people were genuinely worried they wouldn’t be out and about and going to these places.

gral6 · 16-08-2020 10:53AM

The lockdown goes not work. The only way out is a herd immunity. Hopefully, useless NPHET get it now.

road_high · 16-08-2020 10:59AM

gral6 wrote: »

The lockdown goes not work. The only way out is a herd immunity. Hopefully, useless NPHET get it now.

Oddly Leo mentioned that during the week too...first time I’d ever heard a government official or anyone mention it and not dismiss it...sneaking realisation perhaps there’s nothing you can do to completely stop a virus once it gets out

FintanMcluskey · 16-08-2020 11:06AM

road_high wrote: »

Oddly Leo mentioned that during the week too...first time I’d ever heard a government official or anyone mention it and not dismiss it...sneaking realisation perhaps there’s nothing you can do to completely stop a virus once it gets out

Jacinda is finding that out the hard way

JRant · 16-08-2020 11:07AM

road_high wrote: »

Indeed. Only way I see that happening earlier is if some of our local factories producing vaccines can contract it in from whatever company ultimately registers an effective one (assuming they don't already have a plant here). Other than that we haven’t a prayer.
There’s way too much “hope” being placed on a vaccine coming around soon anyhow- too many people thinking we can go on with mass lockdowns until then and all live happily ever after

I just can't see who billions can be vaccinated in the time frames being thrown around. It's just not possible logistically.

As long as people are willing to accept the necessary tax hikes, public pay & pension reductions, and severe cuts to services, we have no other option here as that's the path being laid out in front of us at the moment.

road_high · 16-08-2020 11:11AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Jacinda is finding that out the hard way

Saint Jacinda the 3rd as I call her...
Leo would loved to have been her protege but it was too late by then and anyhow her approach has been a failure as we’ve seen

FintanMcluskey · 16-08-2020 11:13AM

JRant wrote: »

As long as people are willing to accept the necessary tax hikes, public pay & pension reductions, and severe cuts to services, we have no other option here as that's the path being laid out in front of us at the moment.

People are accepting those cuts not realising the loss of life and quality of life they bring.

There is worse deaths than dying and contracting Covid at the same time in a nursing home

MickeyLeari · 16-08-2020 12:13PM

road_high wrote: »

Saint Jacinda the 3rd as I call her...
Leo would loved to have been her protege but it was too late by then and anyhow her approach has been a failure as we’ve seen

Her approach has been very successful. One of only a handful of countries who could have taken that approach but successful all the same.

FintanMcluskey · 16-08-2020 12:44PM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

Her approach has been very successful. One of only a handful of countries who could have taken that approach but successful all the same.

Her approach was successful if you consider kicking the can down the road a successful approach.

A successful approach is adapting to life alongside the virus.

is_that_so · 16-08-2020 01:01PM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

Her approach has been very successful. One of only a handful of countries who could have taken that approach but successful all the same.

It was shown to be successful for 100 days or so. Now they have to deal with what other countries are facing. From what I've read they have been architects in their own growth of cases, with the same kind of lax control of regulations as other countries had.

completedit · 16-08-2020 01:03PM

Some guy complained about the scenes at a bar on Dame Lane yesterday in which people weren't obeying social distancing. He said he felt 'unsafe'. Sorry, but if you are that prone to worry and risk, then stay out of enclosed public premises, wrap yourself up in cotton wool, lock your front door and come out when the virus has left us. You just wouldn't go into an area where there is going to be a lot of people not wearing masks, regardless if they are sitting as rigidly and uptight as possible, or, as in the case of the video from D2, hanging off the bar spraying drinks to people's mouths. One looks more erratic than the other but ultimately, if you are that worried for your health, you'd stay clear.

Quantum Erasure · 16-08-2020 01:11PM

road_high wrote: »

Saint Jacinda the 3rd as I call her...

Ha! That's funny, did you come up with that yourself?

bucketybuck · 16-08-2020 06:01PM

Yet another day without a death. The Taoiseach is said to be "deeply concerned".

CruelSummer · 16-08-2020 06:23PM

Six One and NPHET look like they’re preparing for another over the top hissy fit...another day with zero deaths and minimal hospitalisations.
We’ve a video circulating of ‘people behaving badly’ in a bar in Dublin to give some fuel to the fear filled & permanently outraged members of society who want to spend their time under lock & key.
We as a society should not accept this without question, i want clear figures as to how many of these people are asymptomatic, how many people are severely affected currently & what their comorbidities are...

drunkmonkey · 16-08-2020 06:41PM

Anyone know what there planning or could introduce, not a lot left they can throw at it.

Utopia Parkway · 16-08-2020 06:47PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Anyone know what there planning or could introduce, not a lot left they can throw at it.

Realistically I don't think they can do much unless it's back into a full lockdown. No outbreak has been linked to any of the pubs that are open serving food. Not sure how they can stop young people socialising together other than introducing a virtual police state.

Tenzor07 · 16-08-2020 06:53PM

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Realistically I don't think they can do much unless it's back into a full lockdown. No outbreak has been linked to any of the pubs that are open serving food. Not sure how they can stop young people socialising together other than introducing a virtual police state.

Now you have it, and in a few months those who are calling for another Lockdown will gladly welcome measures for "our safety and protection" which would lead you to believe we lived in China not Ireland.

JTMan · 16-08-2020 06:55PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Anyone know what there planning or could introduce, not a lot left they can throw at it.

Would also really like to know what new restrictions are being considered too.

The only obvious next step is more local lockdowns. Tipperary has been a reported possibility.

I think they need to find some low hanging fruit too. I like the idea, that some are floating, of closing offices for all that can work from home for 6 weeks starting Monday 31 August to ensure that there is less congestion on public transport when schools and colleges go back.

gmisk · 16-08-2020 06:57PM

JTMan wrote: »

Would also really like to know what new restrictions are being considered too.

The only obvious next step is more local lockdowns. Tipperary has been a reported possibility.

I think they need to find some low hanging fruit too. I like the idea, that some are floating, of closing offices for all that can work from home for 6 weeks starting Monday 31 August to ensure that there is less congestion on public transport when schools and colleges go back.

I thought anybody that can work from home is still being encouraged to do so?
I know I won't be back in office til January at earliest

is_that_so · 16-08-2020 06:57PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Yet another day without a death. The Taoiseach is said to be "deeply concerned".

At the 200 cases!

normanoffside · 16-08-2020 06:58PM

snotboogie wrote: »

Serological testing of a representative random sample of the population to detect evidence of exposure to a pathogen is an important method to estimate the true number of infected individuals [7,8,9]. Many such serological surveys are currently being undertaken worldwide [10], and some have thus far suggested substantial under-ascertainment of cases, with estimates of IFR converging at approximately 0.5 - 1% [10-12].
https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/estimating-mortality-from-covid-19

CFR of Common Diseases
Specific CFRs of particular diseases if left untreated or unvaccinated for include:

Bubonic Plague – 60%
Spanish Flu (1918) – 2.5%
Ebola – 90%
Naegleriasis – >99%
Smallpox – 95%
Seasonal Influenza – 0.1%
https://www.news-medical.net/health/What-is-Case-Fatality-Rate-(CFR).aspx

The serological testing for antibodies is not catching most of those infected. It’s been shown that antibodies for this don’t stay much past 3 months and a huge number beat off the infection with T cells and Never produce antibodies. Others seem to have a pre existing immunity on top of that.

is_that_so · 16-08-2020 07:00PM

normanoffside wrote: »

The serological testing for antibodies is not catching most of those infected. It’s been shown that antibodies for this don’t stay much past 3 months and a huge number beat off the infection with T cells and Never produce antibodies. Others seem to have a pre existing immunity on top of that.

How easily and quickly we get into things we know little about!

The Belly · 16-08-2020 07:04PM

is_that_so wrote: »

At the 200 cases!

blood test everyone in the country for type two diabetes

JTMan · 16-08-2020 07:07PM

gmisk wrote: »

I thought anybody that can work from home is still being encouraged to do so?
I know I won't be back in office til January at earliest

Not all offices are closed. Many have reopened. Worse still, some are planning to reopen in September. Good employers have closed their offices until January/June next year. Those that have opened offices need their hands forced to close the offices again, so that public transport can be near-exclusively used school and college students during morning rush hour.

Assetbacked · 16-08-2020 07:18PM

JTMan wrote: »

Not all offices are closed. Many have reopened. Worse still, some are planning to reopen in September. Good employers have closed their offices until January/June next year. Those that have opened offices need their hands forced to close the offices again, so that public transport can be near-exclusively used school and college students during morning rush hour.

The deaths and hospitalisations have been remarkably low, I'm even surprised at how low they have been, for weeks now. And yet there is still such a fear narrative about needing to do better for some reason. Further, we are told that getting the schools back is the number one priority.

What happens when they go back? Social distancing dies as public transport cannot cope with all the schoolchildren and office workers so it becomes masks only without social distancing. School children may have some measures in classrooms but it's a free for all afterwards. Deaths and hospitalisations continue to remain low, people question why life is not fully back to normal if schools are back and they can see social distancing is not a thing with schoolkids. Compliance with guidance dramatically subsides and numbers continue to remain stable. People are back to what feels like something close to normal and the fear narrative no longer works as the data is stable. A few weeks later, into October, the wave of covid peters out. Pubs and retail are given a pre-Christmas boost, offices target full returns in January.

drunkmonkey · 16-08-2020 07:20PM

The Belly wrote: »

blood test everyone in the country for type two diabetes

If their trying to stop complicated hospital admissions it's a great place to start.
I'd love to see that starts for that along with health disease are probably the main causes of death with Covid.

The Belly · 16-08-2020 07:21PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

If their trying to stop complicated hospital admissions it's a great place to start.
I'd love to see that starts for that along with health disease are probably the main causes of death with Covid.

if they did they would see the silent killer

bettyoleary · 16-08-2020 08:33PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Her approach was successful if you consider kicking the can down the road a successful approach.

A successful approach is adapting to life alongside the virus.

Have you watched Free Solo, Alex Hammond. Thats a brave fella now that I could understand where hes coming from if he was spouting what your saying. But you are spending most of your time motor mouthing on an anonymous social media site Go and take some risks yourself and come back to me, Covid isnt a risk to you yet, but it is to millions of people. Elderly, immuno supressed people, kids with illnesses. Your never going to be rich, if you were you wouldnt be posting your view of :pac:economics on here and thats for sure. No one really gives a sh.. about your analysis. Go to the pub Fintan, no ones stopping you.

JRant · 16-08-2020 08:36PM

The Belly wrote: »

blood test everyone in the country for type two diabetes

We shouldn't stop there. Not enough is spent on proactive healthcare rather than reactive.

Jim Root · 16-08-2020 08:40PM

gmisk wrote: »

I thought anybody that can work from home is still being encouraged to do so?
I know I won't be back in office til January at earliest

There is a difference between encouraged to WFH by the government and what management in companies actually want. Some are being forced back.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings