Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

road_high · 14-08-2020 10:47PM

Multipass wrote: »

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/outpatient-waiting-list-rose-by-17000-in-one-month-1014088.html

Over 800,000 people on waiting lists!
And it will only get worse with the coming recession. ‘Every life matters’ my arse.

Lots of people will have to give up their private medical insurance too adding to the lists.
Physical and mental health are suffering desperately so only a matter of time before that starts feeding through the system with a plethora of issues.

_Kaiser_ · 14-08-2020 11:32PM

Multipass wrote: »

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/outpatient-waiting-list-rose-by-17000-in-one-month-1014088.html

Over 800,000 people on waiting lists!
And it will only get worse with the coming recession. ‘Every life matters’ my arse.

I'm on that list to get my eye looked at. Was due earlier this year but got told then it could be 4/5 years!

So instead I'm saving nearly 3 grand to get it done up North privately but at least I will be able to claim most of that back through the Cross Border Medical deal.

Still ridiculous though and a logistical nightmare as I don't readily have anyone available to play chauffeur.

Plumbthedepths · 15-08-2020 01:00AM

PTH2009 wrote: »

so sorry to hear, my condolences

When you're ready and if u want you, you should contact the papers/radio about the experience

It would not be my place to do so. The family is grieving, the anger may come in time but it will achieve what? Rethorical question. Platitudes would be offered but still the facts remain.
Apologies if I seem dismissive or rude, not my intent.

lee_baby_simms · 15-08-2020 06:16AM

Multipass wrote: »

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/outpatient-waiting-list-rose-by-17000-in-one-month-1014088.html

Over 800,000 people on waiting lists!
And it will only get worse with the coming recession. ‘Every life matters’ my arse.

We’ve long passed the point where we need to collectively stand back and objectively assess the threat that this virus currently poses vs the collateral damage that current measures are causing.

People need to wake up.

beggars_bush · 15-08-2020 06:33AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

This should be stickied really.

It's bad enough that the economy will struggle badly because of our dependency on FDI and the whims of the global market, but we've made the damage significantly worse by our overreaction to what has turned out to be a very manageable disease.

The number of people who catch it is irrelevant. It's how many get seriously ill or die because of it, and those numbers are (thankfully I might add!) extremely low.

Only because most elderly people are socially distancing and being very sensible

zerosugarbuzz · 15-08-2020 06:36AM

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

We’ve long passed the point where we need to collectively stand back and objectively assess the threat that this virus currently poses vs the collateral damage that current measures are causing.

People need to wake up.

If anything has been achieved by this experience, it is a reality check as to how many people are very very easily led.

The Belly · 15-08-2020 06:36AM

covid 19 almost 50000 more people waiting for outpatient appointment since start of year

Assetbacked · 15-08-2020 07:00AM

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casesinireland/epidemiologyofcovid-19inireland/

Latest case data, approximately 75% of cases are under the age of 65 and the death rate is so low, even noting it is conservatively estimated, it is barely worse than the flu and at least not worth shutting society down for.

Age groups and case fatality rate (deaths "with" covid are counted and we have under counted cases due to levels of testing so maybe these are many multiples higher of what is actually the case);

0 to 14 is 0%.
15 to 24 is 0.05% or 1 in 2000.
25 to 34 is 0.11% or 1 in 1000
35 to 44 is 0.25% or 1 in 400.
45 to 54 is 0.5% or 1 in 200.
55 to 64 is 2.03% or 1 in 50.
65 to 74 is 12.26% or 1 in 8.
75 to 84 is 22.4% or 1 in 5.
85+ is 27.72% or 1 in 4.

There are now 0 cases in ICU and 8 cases in hospital.

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

A vaccine looks utterly pointless so I feel it is a carrot and stick for the gullible masses to give up their civil liberties. As I said in the other thread, I am in Germany and they are so far ahead of Ireland in terms of what is open and, more importantly, how they actually feel about the virus; they are not afraid, they are just going about their daily lives as normal with a mask when indoors on public transport or in a shop but that's it. Sport clubs are open, gyms and saunas, cafes and bars, shops with no queues to get in - it is only large gatherings like nightclubs and sporting crowds that I can see are not open. Ireland seems to be going off on its own reckless solo run with respect to reopening society and it is really eye opening going to another EU country that you see this.

The Belly · 15-08-2020 07:02AM

Assetbacked wrote: »

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casesinireland/epidemiologyofcovid-19inireland/

Latest case data, approximately 75% of cases are under the age of 65 and the death rate is so low, even noting it is conservatively estimated, it is barely worse than the flu and at least not worth shutting society down for.

Age groups and case fatality rate (deaths "with" covid are counted and we have under counted cases due to levels of testing so maybe these are many multiples higher of what is actually the case);

0 to 14 is 0%.
15 to 24 is 0.05% or 1 in 2000.
25 to 34 is 0.11% or 1 in 1000
35 to 44 is 0.25% or 1 in 400.
45 to 54 is 0.5% or 1 in 200.
55 to 64 is 2.03% or 1 in 50.
65 to 74 is 12.26% or 1 in 8.
75 to 84 is 22.4% or 1 in 5.
85+ is 27.72% or 1 in 4.

There are now 0 cases in ICU and 8 cases in hospital.

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

A vaccine looks utterly pointless so I feel it is a carrot and stick for the gullible masses to give up their civil liberties. As I said in the other thread, I am in Germany and they are so far ahead of Ireland in terms of what is open and, more importantly, how they actually feel about the virus; they are not afraid, they are just going about their daily lives as normal with a mask when indoors on public transport or in a shop but that's it. Sport clubs are open, gyms and saunas, cafes and bars, shops with no queues to get in - it is only large gatherings like nightclubs and sporting crowds that I can see are not open. Ireland seems to be going off on its own reckless solo run with respect to reopening society and it is really eye opening going to another EU country that you see this.

Here is 2500 fine or six months in jail for not wearing a mask. Its away with the fairies stuff.

MickeyLeari · 15-08-2020 07:06AM

The Belly wrote: »

Here is 2500 fine or six months in jail for not wearing a mask. Its away with the fairies stuff.

In Greece it is a 150 fine for the person and the establishment. Probably enforceable at that level.

The Irish courts will find it difficult to enforce those cases knowing that Irish law does not operate in isolation.

Wanderer78 · 15-08-2020 07:08AM

lee_baby_simms wrote:

Weâ€™ve long passed the point where we need to collectively stand back and objectively assess the threat that this virus currently poses vs the collateral damage that current measures are causing.

Yup, our health care system is catastrophically failing in many respects, and we re effectively in off peak season, wait till the winter!

The Belly · 15-08-2020 07:11AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Yup, our health care system is catastrophically failing in many respects, and we re effectively in off peak season, wait till the winter!

They couldnt manage the health service in good times and bad now this its not going to end well and those driving the ship havent a clue.

Wanderer78 · 15-08-2020 07:12AM

The Belly wrote:

They couldnt manage the health service in good times and bad now this its not going to end well and those driving the ship havent a clue.

Ah health care systems are complex beasts, I'm not sure God could even resolve the issues in ours

The Belly · 15-08-2020 07:14AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Ah health care systems are complex beasts, I'm not sure God could even resolve the issues in ours

Well that is true although some countries seem to get it half right.

Wanderer78 · 15-08-2020 07:18AM

The Belly wrote:

Well that is true although some countries seem to get it half right.

True, I've no idea where we should even begin with ours, it's a mess, but I do like donnelly, I think he will do some good, but there will be fcuk ups along the way

The Belly · 15-08-2020 07:18AM

Collecting tax is complicated system too but we seem to be very efficent at that:)

Wanderer78 · 15-08-2020 07:19AM

The Belly wrote:

Collecting tax is complicated system too but we seem to be very efficent at that

But not for fruit production companies!

The Belly · 15-08-2020 07:20AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

True, I've no idea where we should even begin with ours, it's a mess, but I do like donnelly, I think he will do some good, but there will be fcuk ups along the way

It hard to know they keep re inventing the health service when probably it needs to be built from the ground up. Too many vested interests.

Wanderer78 · 15-08-2020 07:22AM

The Belly wrote:

It hard to know they keep re inventing the health service when probably it needs to be built from the ground up. Too many vested interests.

Ah it's messy alright, I certainly wouldn't like the job, hard to know where to begin, my own doc believing it needs a 'Marshall plan'!

The Belly · 15-08-2020 07:24AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Ah it's messy alright, I certainly wouldn't like the job, hard to know where to begin, my own doc believing it needs a 'Marshall plan'!

Now thats a thread on its own) Well one thing is for sure when staff leave to move to some place else we have a problem

Wanderer78 · 15-08-2020 07:34AM

The Belly wrote:

Now thats a thread on its own) Well one thing is for sure when staff leave to move to some place else we have a problem

Oh I'm expecting big staffing issues this winter, with many staff members after getting covid, will they be ready in time for peak season?

The Belly · 15-08-2020 07:38AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Oh I'm expecting big staffing issues this winter, with many staff members after getting covid, will they be ready in time for peak season?

There is better places to live and work and working in health is a very transferrable skill. So when they sh1t hits the fan many will up and leave.

Wanderer78 · 15-08-2020 07:40AM

The Belly wrote:

There is better places to live and work and working in health is a very transferrable skill. So when they sh1t hits the fan many will up and leave.

Maybe, but many are extremely dedicated to their jobs

The Belly · 15-08-2020 07:44AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Maybe, but many are extremely dedicated to their jobs

Yes but this is not the 60's or 70's when your typical nurse was a nun and devoted to the job. High taxes, cant buy a house, a gov that havent a clue and all thats coming will make some working in the hse look at their situation and conclude that there is something better.

Wanderer78 · 15-08-2020 07:47AM

The Belly wrote:

Yes but this is not the 60's or 70's when your typical nurse was a nun and devoted to the job. High taxes, cant buy a house, a gov that havent a clue and all thats coming will make some working in the hse look at their situation and conclude that there is something better.

Again, housing is another complex beast, and an absolute mess, we may need another God for that one!

The Belly · 15-08-2020 07:50AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Again, housing is another complex beast, and an absolute mess, we may need another God for that one!

Now that is very fixable. And we did that before and should do it again. But the powers that be want prices high and will not build social housing.

Wanderer78 · 15-08-2020 07:56AM

The Belly wrote:

Now that is very fixable. And we did that before and should do it again. But the powers that be want prices high and will not build social housing.

Ah 'the markets' gonna solve that one, it's just taking a wee holiday at the moment! Tis far more complex than you think, it won't be solved anytime soon anyway

The Belly · 15-08-2020 07:57AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Ah 'the markets' gonna solve that one, it's just taking a wee holiday at the moment! Tis far more complex than you think, it won't be solved anytime soon anyway

Soft landing here we come heard that before

The Belly · 15-08-2020 08:01AM

We will soon be hearing the banks are fully capitalised and ready to absord the shock:rolleyes:

Wanderer78 · 15-08-2020 09:40AM

The Belly wrote: »

We will soon be hearing the banks are fully capitalised and ready to absord the shock:rolleyes:

wouldnt be worrying about them, theyre well looked after, endless amounts of tax payers money available there

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings