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FE1 Exam Thread (Read 1st post!) NOTE: YOU MAY SWAP EXAM GRIDS

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭nmurphy1441


    No real predictions, just cover the usual suspects -

    Institutions
    Direct Effect/MS Liability
    General Principles
    Citizenship
    Goods
    Workers
    Judicial Review
    Competition

    I’m hoping for a nice set of case notes but not banking on them


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 343 ✭✭IgoPAP


    That's pretty amazing three sittings before you graduate!!! I began them 2 years after graduating! <3

    Thanks! Although it wouldn't be too amazing if it turned that I could get rejected because I already did 3 sittings with only a few subjects each.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 147 ✭✭Hamerzan Sickles


    Lol, I just checked insta and seen the video

    Think she is so wrong, this thread has been a massive help to me personally and to suggest people intentionally put up incorrect information is really unfair. I always do my best to help others and feel I've been treated similarly. It's a nice community on here and people genuinely look out for each other, in my experience.

    Y'all are great x

    For what it's worth, I've passed like three exams basing my revision the night before the exam solely on iamanengine's predictions so boards has been a pretty massive help to me.

    I think the person we are referencing about might be trying to do a bit of inverse marketing by deterring people from browsing here for information. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭Wonderstruck


    For what it's worth, I've passed like three exams basing my revision the night before the exam solely on iamanengine's predictions so boards has been a pretty massive help to me.

    I think the person we are referencing about might be trying to do a bit of inverse marketing by deterring people from browsing here for information. :rolleyes:

    Yeah like obviously none of us are lecturers, we are only saying what we know. I remember I didn't know an 18 year old could witness a will qnd I was like no way (still makes 0 sense to me they can - sorry guys). >.<;

    I have honestly seen your questions here, and while studying another subject, got the textbook off the library shelf and checked the answers. I do it in the hope that they'll be some good karma for me in the future. I've literally passed all 8 and I'm still chilling here. I've definitely met people IRL who would rip pages out of law books to sabotage others but I post here in good faith none of you guys would do that. I was gonna say we should meet for pints / non alcoholic substitutions again but then I was like oh wait..........


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭JCormac


    Healyjhow wrote: »
    Don’t even want to post mortem that paper I really feeling I was grasping at straws ... all my case law knowledge just disintegrated and got stuck with two essay questions I couldn’t even re read cause I had the fear of my life hahahah anyone want to share what their studying for EU so I can attempt to redeem myself ?

    Exactly the same. Was reciting every case and statute perfectly before the exam, pure Rainman style.

    In the exam I think I remembered a sixth of what I studied. Be lucky if I was scraping 5 cases a question. Just the luck of the draw on the day I guess.

    Lots of people are probably in the same boat, so wouldn't stress too much.

    Hoping for questions in the follow areas:

    General Principles (Essay)
    Direct effect & Member State liability
    Judicial Review (Essay)
    FMG (Art 34 or Art 30 & 110)
    FMW (and maybe Citizenship)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 101 ✭✭lawgrad49


    JCormac wrote: »
    Exactly the same. Was reciting every case and statute perfectly before the exam, pure Rainman style.

    In the exam I think I remembered a sixth of what I studied. Be lucky if I was scraping 5 cases a question. Just the luck of the draw on the day I guess.

    Lots of people are probably in the same boat, so wouldn't stress too much.

    Hoping for questions in the follow areas:

    General Principles (Essay)
    Direct effect & Member State liability
    Judicial Review (Essay)
    FMG (Art 34 or Art 30 & 110)
    FMW (and maybe Citizenship)

    Same here, was very happy with what I'd covered going in (think I counted I had 20 topics in total and could rhyme off relevant case law) but a few of them problem questions just threw me! Found myself rushing and waffling through answers because I spent so long trying to work out what the question was asking for. Ah well, it's all a learning experience!

    I think EU will be more straightforward in terms of identifying the questions anyway. Hoping for similar topics myself!


  • Administrators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,793 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭hullaballoo


    Firstly, congrats to all who sat Tort today and I advise against post mortems generally but particularly if you don't feel great about the exam. Tort is one of those areas where there are many right answers as well as many wrong ones and is notoriously difficult. I think the examiners reports pretty much always say that the majority of candidates do not correctly identify all issues/torts. That doesn't mean a fail on its own so you can miss things and still pass. Of course you can sure if it were any other way there'd be no passes tbh.

    Just to set the record straight on the "call out" -

    I read this thread daily and have done all my professional life (BL with 10+ PQE) and I do so partially to ensure the quality of advice/guidance/legal discussion is up to scratch. Other lawyers on the forum do too. I don't think I have ever noticed anyone trying to lead others astray.

    But if it did happen, it would be "called out" straight away - that's how this site/internet discussions work. The best way to get the right answer on the internet is to post something incorrect!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭Aoibhin511


    Am i right in saying that preliminary reference and infringement procedure has never come up under this examiner?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,891 ✭✭✭iamanengine


    Aoibhin511 wrote: »
    Am i right in saying that preliminary reference and infringement procedure has never come up under this examiner?

    Prelim reference came up in March 2019, that's the only time. Infringement hasn't I don't think. Supremacy hasn't either


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭Aoibhin511


    Prelim reference came up in March 2019, that's the only time. Infringement hasn't I don't think. Supremacy hasn't either

    Ah completely missed that, thank you!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 htnor


    Prelim reference came up in March 2019, that's the only time. Infringement hasn't I don't think. Supremacy hasn't either

    What q was prelim reference in March 2019? Must be losing it just can’t seem to see it 😂


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,891 ✭✭✭iamanengine


    htnor wrote: »
    What q was prelim reference in March 2019? Must be losing it just can’t seem to see it &#55357;&#56834;

    I don't actually have access to the paper itself but my grid says Q3


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27 sunnylegal


    Would anyone mind sending me ANY of the last 6 years of exam papers for EU ? My notes only go to 2013 - I know last minute AF, I'm really stuck. Even just one hahaha

    Thanks a mil.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭Aoibhin511


    I don't actually have access to the paper itself but my grid says Q3


    Hmm I would say q3 was just about standing am i missing something??

    QUESTION THREE March 19

    When Advocate General Jacobs stated in paragraph 103 of his own Opinion on Case C-50/2000, UPA v Council, that:
    “[…] and individual should be regarded as individually concerned within the meaning of the fourth paragraph of Article 230 EC by a Community measure where, by reason of his particular circumstances, the measure has, or is liable to have, a substantial adverse effect on his interests”
    he was clearly articulating that there was a lack of effective judicial protection for non-privileged applicants who sought a judicial review of acts of the European Union’s institutions.
    Explain briefly the concerns that Advocate General was addressing here. Also, make an assessment of whether these concerns have been fully addressed by the changes that were made to Article 230 EC by the Lisbon Treaty and now contained in Article 263 TFEU and/or any developments that may have come from the related case law of the Union Judicature on this matter, and in particular the case-law interpreting the new post-Lisbon fourth paragraph to Article 263 TFEU.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭Aoibhin511


    sunnylegal wrote: »
    Would anyone mind sending me ANY of the last 6 years of exam papers for EU ? My notes only go to 2013 - I know last minute AF, I'm really stuck. Even just one hahaha

    Thanks a mil.

    Yeah dm me your email


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27 sunnylegal


    Aoibhin511 wrote: »
    Yeah dm me your email

    Thank you SO SO much, I really appreciate it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,891 ✭✭✭iamanengine


    Aoibhin511 wrote: »
    Hmm I would say q3 was just about standing am i missing something??

    QUESTION THREE March 19

    When Advocate General Jacobs stated in paragraph 103 of his own Opinion on Case C-50/2000, UPA v Council, that:
    “[…] and individual should be regarded as individually concerned within the meaning of the fourth paragraph of Article 230 EC by a Community measure where, by reason of his particular circumstances, the measure has, or is liable to have, a substantial adverse effect on his interests”
    he was clearly articulating that there was a lack of effective judicial protection for non-privileged applicants who sought a judicial review of acts of the European Union’s institutions.
    Explain briefly the concerns that Advocate General was addressing here. Also, make an assessment of whether these concerns have been fully addressed by the changes that were made to Article 230 EC by the Lisbon Treaty and now contained in Article 263 TFEU and/or any developments that may have come from the related case law of the Union Judicature on this matter, and in particular the case-law interpreting the new post-Lisbon fourth paragraph to Article 263 TFEU.

    Yep that seems pretty clearly to be about judicial review to me. So it seems you can't trust sample answers or grids these days :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 htnor


    Aoibhin511 wrote: »
    Hmm I would say q3 was just about standing am i missing something??

    QUESTION THREE March 19

    When Advocate General Jacobs stated in paragraph 103 of his own Opinion on Case C-50/2000, UPA v Council, that:
    “[…] and individual should be regarded as individually concerned within the meaning of the fourth paragraph of Article 230 EC by a Community measure where, by reason of his particular circumstances, the measure has, or is liable to have, a substantial adverse effect on his interests”
    he was clearly articulating that there was a lack of effective judicial protection for non-privileged applicants who sought a judicial review of acts of the European Union’s institutions.
    Explain briefly the concerns that Advocate General was addressing here. Also, make an assessment of whether these concerns have been fully addressed by the changes that were made to Article 230 EC by the Lisbon Treaty and now contained in Article 263 TFEU and/or any developments that may have come from the related case law of the Union Judicature on this matter, and in particular the case-law interpreting the new post-Lisbon fourth paragraph to Article 263 TFEU.


    Yeah you’re right Q3 according to examiner report was on Art 263 and effective judicial protection and locus standi.

    I was getting freaked there thinking my grid was wrong and as prelim reference hasn’t come up in years! I feel like it’s one of the most notable EU topics tho I don’t get why it’s not more of a popular q.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,891 ✭✭✭iamanengine


    Apologies guys!!

    I wouldn't want to be seen as intentionally giving out incorrect information... :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭JCormac


    Does anybody have a condensed summary/notes on the changes Lisbon has made to Institutions that are crammable?

    I don't have a whole lot on EU that I can swap but can swap what I have & will owe you a pint our paths cross in Blackhall


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭DFMCD190384


    JCormac wrote: »
    Does anybody have a condensed summary/notes on the changes Lisbon has made to Institutions that are crammable?

    I don't have a whole lot on EU that I can swap but can swap what I have & will owe you a pint our paths cross in Blackhall


    I would love these also....please


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭Healyjhow


    When looking at direct effect problem questions .... is indirect effect only to be addressed with failure to correctly transpose the directive ? Direct effect would only need to be addressed if it was just failure to implement on time?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 147 ✭✭Hamerzan Sickles


    I've been studying for EU for weeks and I feel like I know absolutely nothing. Tomorrow is going to be a long day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 147 ✭✭Hamerzan Sickles


    JCormac wrote: »
    Does anybody have a condensed summary/notes on the changes Lisbon has made to Institutions that are crammable?

    I don't have a whole lot on EU that I can swap but can swap what I have & will owe you a pint our paths cross in Blackhall

    ? I think that Lisbon literally implemented the TEU and the TFEU so on a technicality anything that is found in either of those in relation to Lisbon is a change made to the Institutions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 yipyop


    Hey, does anyone have anything on 'equivalence' and 'practical possibility' or how to go about answering that question? March 2017 Q2. My notes don't include those as part of general principles.

    Have a few useful bits on the whole course if anyone needs them, thanks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,891 ✭✭✭iamanengine


    JCormac wrote: »
    Does anybody have a condensed summary/notes on the changes Lisbon has made to Institutions that are crammable?

    I don't have a whole lot on EU that I can swap but can swap what I have & will owe you a pint our paths cross in Blackhall

    Main changes - QMV, Charter of fundamental rights, ordinary legislative procedure, increased role of ms parliaments, introduced new test for regulatory acts re judicial review, introduced procedure to leave the EU

    I don’t have any specific notes for Lisbon more they are spread out over various topics


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭DUMSURFER


    Does anyone have 'Free Movement of Workers' notes for EU that I could beg for?

    Can send any and all other notes, sample answers etc to the unbelievably kind people who help out!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,891 ✭✭✭iamanengine


    When was the last time equivalence and effectiveness came up? I realllllly don't want to cover it


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭Aoibhin511


    When was the last time equivalence and effectiveness came up? I realllllly don't want to cover it

    October 19 and March 17


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