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Strumms · 07-08-2020 6:10pm

England will be kicking themselves even more now at their shìtty first innings total... another 60 runs coupled with their bright start with the ball here would have meant a lot more possibility of victory... Pakistan despite the bad start have breathing room by virture of the poor English first innings total..

MFPM · 07-08-2020 6:15pm

A run out now, just as Pakistan had reclaimed the initiative a little. If they can get up anywhere near 300, it's unlikely England will chase that.

MFPM · 07-08-2020 6:42pm

Rizwan out lbw to Stokes....This umpire's call is problematic....ball was missing stumps but because umpire had given it out, it remains umpire's call.

StackSteevens · 07-08-2020 6:46pm

MFPM wrote: »

A run out now, just as Pakistan had reclaimed the initiative a little. If they can get up anywhere near 300, it's unlikely England will chase that.

Good fielding by Sibley.

MFPM wrote: »

Rizwan out lbw to Stokes....This umpire's call is problematic....ball was missing stumps but because umpire had given it out, it remains umpire's call.

Agreed. Although I'd have given it out too if Stokes glared at me!

MFPM · 07-08-2020 8:35pm

Exciting day ahead tomorrow, hard to see Pakistan adding significantly to their total in the morning so England will be chasing around 250 tomorrow...they'd have taken that after their 1st innings. 60/40 in favour of Pakistan but I don't think the England top order will collapse again.

Strumms · 07-08-2020 10:00pm

They’ll be comfortable enough chasing 260 / 270 or less... anything more is a difficult proposition...

Gillespy · 07-08-2020 10:55pm

MFPM wrote: »

Rizwan out lbw to Stokes....This umpire's call is problematic....ball was missing stumps but because umpire had given it out, it remains umpire's call.

It wasn't missing, it was hitting or just clipping the wickets which is all you need. Ball tracking isn't 100% either so need to bear that in mind when it comes up umpire's call. Umpire's call is the umpire on the field making the decision and I think that is fair enough. At least there are no howlers these days.

Gillespy · 07-08-2020 11:04pm

I feel Pakistan already have enough. Yasir Shah might come off in the morning and get the lead past 280 and then it's a real struggle. Pakistan attack has everything and batting is only getting harder. Hopefully England take it deep and we can have a great game to watch.

MFPM · 08-08-2020 12:33am

Gillespy wrote: »

It wasn't missing, it was hitting or just clipping the wickets which is all you need. Ball tracking isn't 100% either so need to bear that in mind when it comes up umpire's call. Umpire's call is the umpire on the field making the decision and I think that is fair enough. At least there are no howlers these days.

Fair enough, but given the technology is telling us that the ball is 'just clipping' the wickets, there's no way the umpire could possibly be sure in that context thus he should give it not out, if he did that, Rizwan wouldn't have been out.

MFPM · 08-08-2020 12:35am

Gillespy wrote: »

I feel Pakistan already have enough. Yasir Shah might come off in the morning and get the lead past 280 and then it's a real struggle. Pakistan attack has everything and batting is only getting harder. Hopefully England take it deep and we can have a great game to watch.

You might be right, even so it would be the third biggest run chase on this ground, with a bit more discipline Pakistan could be posting a 300 lead and effectively guranteering a victory.

MFPM · 08-08-2020 11:09am

Lead up to 265 now...Shah just slogged Broad for six....
Root said he's be confident they'd chase anything under 260.

25 runs in first two overs.

MFPM · 08-08-2020 11:16am

Pakistan all out for 169. England need 277 for victory.

Mysterypunter · 08-08-2020 11:19am

Lively start, will be a tough chase, Pakistan have a really good bowling attack, looks like too many, but who knows

MFPM · 08-08-2020 12:19pm

England had been going along OK, but Burns gone now out lbw, another umpire's call on review.

Strumms · 08-08-2020 1:08pm

Run rate is just 2.5 but England won’t mind. They have time and only one down.

If England get to 170 needed and only say one more wicket down they’ll cruise.

Strumms · 08-08-2020 1:49pm

Absolutely ridiculous umpiring. Missed the bat by about 4 inches. Poor umpiring.

Inquitus · 08-08-2020 2:46pm

Root and Stokes really need to put a serious dent in the total with a decent partnership!

Dave0301 · 08-08-2020 2:48pm

Inquitus wrote: »

Root and Stokes really need to put a serious dent in the total with a decent partnership!

You said that on purpose :pac:

Dave0301 · 08-08-2020 3:08pm

Not looking good for England. Going to need something special from here.

Inquitus · 08-08-2020 3:09pm

Dave0301 wrote: »

Not looking good for England. Going to need something special from here.

Aye they really need a ton from one of the few remaining specialist batsmen, Stokes just gone after a review now as well!

Strumms · 08-08-2020 3:13pm

Stokes gone now. No clear deviation noticeable on camera but a flicker on snicko...

It’s strange that hot spot isn’t in use too. Just based on a single sound he’s out.

Strumms · 08-08-2020 3:23pm

In fairness to Pope, that’s unplayable. The pitch did for him there rather then the delivery.

Inquitus · 08-08-2020 3:24pm

The fat lady is warming up, into the tail now, Woakes coming to the crease....

Dave0301 · 08-08-2020 3:24pm

Difficult to see England's tail lasting long if Pakistan keep a high standard of bowling.

Strumms · 08-08-2020 3:32pm

Yep, Pakistan clear favorites now, the reality is England need about an 80 partnership from Butler and Woakes, minimum.

Gillespy · 08-08-2020 3:42pm

Counter attacking like this the way to go seeing the ball Pope got. It messes with the bowlers and forces the captain to take catchers out. Game on.

VillaMad · 08-08-2020 4:00pm

50 partnership for Woakes and Buttler but they will need an awful lot more you feel as one wicket and Pakistan will be confident of blowing through the tail.

Right attitude though to attack everything. Pakistan's approach this morning with the bat seems to be the way to go.

Inquitus · 08-08-2020 4:05pm

VillaMad wrote: »

50 partnership for Woakes and Buttler but they will need an awful lot more you feel as one wicket and Pakistan will be confident of blowing through the tail.

Right attitude though to attack everything. Pakistan's approach this morning with the bat seems to be the way to go.

Psychologically big moment when the runs required drops below 100, if Woakes and Buttler can add another 50 odd then the game is in the balance!

Strumms · 08-08-2020 4:36pm

Pakistan bowlers starting to look a little jaded. Not as dangerous as they had been. England would have eaten a lot more into this target only for having a habit of hitting some very good shots, straight at the fielders.

Inquitus · 08-08-2020 4:46pm

England now favourites at the bookies.

Happy4all · 08-08-2020 4:51pm

it's slipping away from Pakistan, need to break this partnership quickly

StackSteevens · 08-08-2020 5:38pm

Great day for Buttler. Especially given that Bairstow's plan to play for Yorkshire and score some handy runs failed this morning!

Mysterypunter · 08-08-2020 6:31pm

England win by 4 wickets, Pakistan had it, but lost it, what exactly does Azhar Ali do? Hasn't scored a run in ages, and a clueless captain, but then again is there a better alternative.

Richard Hillman · 08-08-2020 6:33pm

I said literally as he was running up to Bowl, why would you have that gap in the slips? And then he edged it through for 4. It's a new ball, put your slips in or at least spread them out.

I have been very disappointed by Azhar Alis captaincy in the test and especially today. From Slips being too far back and not no close catchers.

Tom Mann Centuria · 08-08-2020 6:34pm

Excellent Test match, didn't really see England even getting close after the first innings, or even with five down in the chase.

Gillespy · 08-08-2020 7:01pm

Shame Buttler wasn't not out at the end. Deserved to walk off with Woakes after that special innings. This England side have great spirit and never give up. Pakistan will be sick after this loss. Blew it.

MFPM · 08-08-2020 9:20pm

Couldn't watch today, had to follow online. Great test match, always thought Pakistan would regret that second innings, they needed more runs to play around with. Good foundation built by Sibley and Root and then built upon by Butler and Woakes. Pakistan are a good team but they are inexperienced and that showed today, they dominated the vast bulk of the match but floundered at the crucial moment...

Royale with Cheese · 08-08-2020 11:52pm

Hard to drop Woakes now if Stokes goes back to being an all rounder for the next test. Anderson's place in the team looks fairly uncertain, poor ol'Jimmy might not get his 600 the way he's playing now.

Gillespy · 09-08-2020 12:09am

Anderson had a mixed game, some good spells and some poor ones. I would drop Archer before him. What's the point if he's not going to bowl like he can? Low to mid 80mph, Curran is much more effective in England and can bat. Wood deserves another chance if they want pace and he will give you pace. Superb in South Africa. If they want to rest Anderson, they have Robinson in the squad now, a like for like replacement. I wouldn't mind seeing him.

Richard Hillman · 09-08-2020 9:50am

I think Anderson would have been rested anyway for the 2nd test.

I would imagine the team will have very little patience on him in general when he is not getting wickets. He is an incredible sulk and would suck the life out of any dressing room when he is brooding.

MFPM · 09-08-2020 9:59am

Archer is interesting, he was generally low to mid 80s but we've seen previously that he can get 90+, maybe he can't do it consistently, he can look quite disinterested at times but that might be just his personality.

coolshannagh28 · 09-08-2020 1:49pm

Rory Burns had last laugh after the sledging incident at his dismissal.

Strumms · 09-08-2020 1:55pm

coolshannagh28 wrote: »

Rory Burns had last laugh after the sledging incident at his dismissal.

Not exactly a very likable bunch of cricketers this Pakistani side... competitive, fine but some of the stuff we’ve seen, this, other instances of verbals and trying to use gamesmanship and ani-sporting carry on to slow down the game to achieve a result. Pakistani players need a new boot manufacturer too, one that can make boots that don’t need to be re-tied every 10 balls or so.

Stokes out of England squad for the rest of the summer due to family reasons.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/53712110

Big blow for England.

VillaMad · 09-08-2020 1:56pm

His father Ged was seriously ill around Christmas and recovered enough to get home but it looks like he's not doing well at all.

England could go with Sam Curran to get a similar replacement or just have Crawley replace him and keep the bowling as it is.

Strumms · 09-08-2020 2:18pm

Sad about Stokes, I’d go with Curran, keep the balance of the side.

MFPM · 09-08-2020 2:59pm

Strumms wrote: »

Not exactly a very likable bunch of cricketers this Pakistani side... competitive, fine but some of the stuff we’ve seen, this, other instances of verbals and trying to use gamesmanship and ani-sporting carry on to slow down the game to achieve a result. Pakistani players need a new boot manufacturer too, one that can make boots that don’t need to be re-tied every 10 balls or so.

Stokes out of England squad for the rest of the summer due to family reasons.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/53712110

Big blow for England.

In fairness England are no angels either, Broad is right up there with the best in sledging teams and players.

Strumms · 09-08-2020 3:30pm

MFPM wrote: »

In fairness England are no angels either, Broad is right up there with the best in sledging teams and players.

I’ve no great issues with the odd word but it seems to be in between every over with Pakistan. Sledging is ok, but it’s just the regularity and the usage that they designed to slow down the game to increase the probability of a result that will suit them, it wasn’t mind games it was to try and draw the opposition into a conversation, to delay, same as the constant lace tying, that was a farce, shîtty anti sporting behavior.. That’s all ANTI sport...sorry I’m not having all that excused...I’m a sports fan, a cricket fan... if anybody or anything gets in the way of me being able to enjoy cricket, it’s fair game to be damming of it and whoever is responsible...Pakistan players.

Gillespy · 09-08-2020 7:02pm

Disappointing news about Stokes. Mustn't be good to have to leave in the middle of a series. He was playing as a batsman so Crawley will come back in. Bracey is there also, is Lawrence in the squad? That would be very tough on Crawley. Root back to no. 4 and rotate a bowler or two, Curran for Jimmy and Wood for Jofra.

Slim Charles · 09-08-2020 7:44pm

Gillespy wrote: »

Wood for Jofra.

Yes, please.

Inquitus · 09-08-2020 8:07pm

Strumms wrote: »

I’ve no great issues with the odd word but it seems to be in between every over with Pakistan. Sledging is ok, but it’s just the regularity and the usage that they designed to slow down the game to increase the probability of a result that will suit them, it wasn’t mind games it was to try and draw the opposition into a conversation, to delay, same as the constant lace tying, that was a farce, shîtty anti sporting behavior.. That’s all ANTI sport...sorry I’m not having all that excused...I’m a sports fan, a cricket fan... if anybody or anything gets in the way of me being able to enjoy cricket, it’s fair game to be damming of it and whoever is responsible...Pakistan players.

Aye the test England won in the dark in Karachi was great payback for all the slow play nonsense! Even Bucknor had had enough!

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