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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #992
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    John O.Groats wrote: »
    Oh right so anything that goes against your narrative is aggressive nonsense eh Jack lad.? And apart from constantly berating the government left right and centre for every single announcement they make what exactly have you contributed? I have yet to see you give them any shred of credit whatsoever for any of their decisions . Why is that I ask myself?

    They don’t deserve credit.

    Our CMO criticised nursing homes for banning visitors back in March. Those nursing homes then had over 1000 of our deaths. If only we had taken action sooner. And this is the CMO that tried to cover up the cervical scandal. Lucky boy to have a job.

    Meat plants have over 1000 cases. What’s it going to take to get some control over them? Locking down 3 entire counties is stupid when the hospitals in those counties have 0 Covid.

    The plan for the schools is tragic. Basically just throws all the responsibilities onto each school. What happens if an outbreak occurs? How many counties will they lockdown then.

    The schools are never going to stay open until we grow a pair.


  • #993
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    Deleted User wrote: »
    They don’t deserve credit.

    Our CMO criticised nursing homes for banning visitors back in March. Those nursing homes then had over 1000 of our deaths. If only we had taken action sooner. And this is the CMO that tried to cover up the cervical scandal. Lucky boy to have a job.

    Meat plants have over 1000 cases. What’s it going to take to get some control over them? Locking down 3 entire counties is stupid when the hospitals in those counties have 0 Covid.

    The plan for the schools is tragic. Basically just throws all the responsibilities onto each school. What happens if an outbreak occurs? How many counties will they lockdown then.

    The schools are never going to stay open until we grow a pair.

    You criticise the mistakes that have been made and then cheerlead for more?


  • #994
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    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    i_surge wrote: »
    You criticise the mistakes that have been made and then cheerlead for more?

    Just pointing it out as I see it


  • #995
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


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  • #996
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    Deleted User wrote: »
    They don’t deserve credit.

    Our CMO criticised nursing homes for banning visitors back in March. Those nursing homes then had over 1000 of our deaths. If only we had taken action sooner. And this is the CMO that tried to cover up the cervical scandal. Lucky boy to have a job.

    Meat plants have over 1000 cases. What’s it going to take to get some control over them? Locking down 3 entire counties is stupid when the hospitals in those counties have 0 Covid.

    The plan for the schools is tragic. Basically just throws all the responsibilities onto each school. What happens if an outbreak occurs? How many counties will they lockdown then.

    The schools are never going to stay open until we grow a pair.

    Are you conveying your arguments about this issue to your local TD or public representative and if not why not? Very easy to go on a rant under an anonymous username on a website like you constantly do on here. Are you actually doing anything constructive about your list of issues in the real world? I would suggest that to do so might be considered as "growing a pair".


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  • #997
    The Belly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 572 ✭✭✭The Belly


    John O.Groats wrote: »
    Are you conveying your arguments about this issue to your local TD or public representative and if not why not? Very easy to go on a rant under an anonymous username on a website like you constantly do on here. Are you actually doing anything constructive about your list of issues in the real world? I would suggest that to do so might be considered as "growing a pair".

    :rolleyes:


  • #998
    [Deleted User]
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    John O.Groats wrote: »
    Are you conveying your arguments about this issue to your local TD or public representative and if not why not? Very easy to go on a rant under an anonymous username on a website like you constantly do on here. Are you actually doing anything constructive about your list of issues in the real world? I would suggest that to do so might be considered as "growing a pair".

    Been in contact with several local TDs. Not really getting anywhere though. Everything is just really NPHET this and NPHET that.


  • #999
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,389 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Hospital numbers in Tullamore, Laois and Naas = 0.

    Just so you're aware, most of the cases were detected in workers there, doesn't mean that's where they live. Most importantly, there;s a lag between a positive test and needing hospital care.
    You can do the math with the age range affected and what % will need admission to hospital and you will see an increase of about 30+ over the next week.
    (I'm basing that on asymptomatic cases needing hospitalization is the same as symptomatic cases, which I'm not too sure on as we don't have all the info)


  • #1000
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,389 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Our CMO criticised nursing homes for banning visitors back in March. Those nursing homes then had over 1000 of our deaths. If only we had taken action sooner.

    There's absolutely no evidence visitors to nursing homes spread covid into them.
    That falls on the general population and the unchecked community spread infecting healthcare workers and anyone who worked in nursing homes.


  • #1001
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Just so you're aware, most of the cases were detected in workers there, doesn't mean that's where they live. Most importantly, there;s a lag between a positive test and needing hospital care.
    You can do the math with the age range affected and what % will need admission to hospital and you will see an increase of about 30+ over the next week.
    (I'm basing that on asymptomatic cases needing hospitalization is the same as symptomatic cases, which I'm not too sure on as we don't have all the info)

    Does any one know what percentages of positive cases were that ill with Covid that were only able to go to work in a meat plant?


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  • #1002
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Been in contact with several local TDs. Not really getting anywhere though. Everything is just really NPHET this and NPHET that.

    Oh? If this is true then I give you credit for that anyway.although to quote your own advice to me recently you might want to "try harder" with them.


  • #1003
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,389 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Does any one know what percentages of positive cases were that ill with Covid they were only able to go to work in a meat plant?
    There's plenty of symptoms of Covid, there are plenty who could have a fever, cough etc... and still fell pretty well and go to work. They wouldn't be hospitalized the same day as they develop a symptom..... there's a lag.


  • #1004
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    John O.Groats wrote: »
    Oh? If this is true then I give you credit for that anyway.although to quote your own advice to me recently you might want to "try harder" with them.

    Thanks John, They’ve probably moved my mails to deleted items folder haha.


  • #1005
    walus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭walus


    average_runner wrote: »
    And we got thru it then and we will do the same again

    Sure, we will but to put this depression into context. In 2008-2011 the FED printed about 700 billion $ just to dampen the effects of the collapse of financial sector. This time in 3 months they have printed 4 trillions. This is how serious of an issue it is to lock down the economy for 3 months. It will take a decade or more to payoff this debt. Europe and the rest of the world are taking similar and proportionate levels of printing debt. I leave figuring who and how will pay it off to ye guys...

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • #1006
    Dempo1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,102 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Just realised on reading these new 3 County restrictions that shopping for essential items is only permitted within your own county. My dilemma is going to affect many living in very rural locations on the borders of these counties.

    My shopping requires crossing one county into another and even at that it's 19 km to the nearest town. If I'm correct, I can no longer do this and have to stay within County. Fine but that now requires at least a 35km drive, this is just extraordinary, there is a local shop but they don't and can't supply essentials and of course its a lot more expensive. I can't understand why residents of each county affected can't stay within the containment bubble and at least shop for essentials. I support the measures but not this restriction on shopping for essentials.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • #1007
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Dempo1 wrote: »
    Just realised on reading these new 3 County restrictions that shopping for essential items is only permitted within your own county. My dilemma is going to affect many living in very rural locations on the borders of these counties.

    My shopping requires crossing one county into another and even at that it's 19 km to the nearest town. If I'm correct, I can no longer do this and have to stay within County. Fine but that now requires at least a 35km drive, this is just extraordinary, there is a local shop but they don't and can't supply essentials and of course its a lot more expensive. I can't understand why residents of each county affected can't stay within the containment bubble and at least shop for essentials. I support the measures but not this restriction on shopping for essentials.

    No.delivery service?


  • #1008
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    walus wrote: »
    Sure, we will but to put this depression into context. In 2008-2011 the FED printed about 700 billion $ just to dampen the effects of the collapse of financial sector. This time in 3 months they have printed 4 trillions. This is how serious of an issue it is to lock down the economy for 3 months. It will take a decade or more to payoff this debt. Europe and the rest of the world are taking similar and proportionate levels of printing debt. I leave figuring who and how will pay it off to ye guys...

    I pay a load in tax already and if I have to pay more so we get through this, then I will.and suffer .


  • #1009
    Dempo1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,102 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    average_runner wrote: »
    No.delivery service?

    Might be an option but this may not suit everyone, also Tesco/Supervalue etc were not taking new customers for this service during the main lockdown so need to check this out, it's not even clear if deliveries can cross county borders and even if they can I'd suspect I and many would be on the higher scale of delivery charges.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • #1010
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Dempo1 wrote: »
    Might be an option but this may not suit everyone, also Tesco/Supervalue etc were not taking new customers for this service during the main lockdown so need to check this out, it's not even clear if deliveries can cross county borders and even if they can I'd suspect I and many would be on the higher scale of delivery charges.

    But get the one inside your county to deliver?

    If this is medical stuff then there be help


  • #1011
    walus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭walus


    average_runner wrote: »
    I pay a load in tax already and if I have to pay more so we get through this, then I will.and suffer .

    That only works if you have an income that can be taxed. A lot of people soon will not have that. Generalising on your own example is not a good approach to this.

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



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  • #1012
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    walus wrote: »
    That only works if you have an income that can be taxed. A lot of people soon will not have that. Generalising on your own example is not a good approach to this.

    It's not the end of the world, we will get through it.


  • #1013
    Dempo1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,102 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    average_runner wrote: »
    But get the one inside your county to deliver?

    If this is medical stuff then there be help

    It's non medical essentials, I'll check out delivery options but at a 35km round trip, I really don't think that's realistic and that's if any of the shops are taking new delivery customers, they didnt during main lockdown, I checked back then.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • #1014
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    walus wrote: »
    Sure, we will but to put this depression into context. In 2008-2011 the FED printed about 700 billion $ just to dampen the effects of the collapse of financial sector. This time in 3 months they have printed 4 trillions. This is how serious of an issue it is to lock down the economy for 3 months. It will take a decade or more to payoff this debt. Europe and the rest of the world are taking similar and proportionate levels of printing debt. I leave figuring who and how will pay it off to ye guys...

    Who printed the cash and ultimately who therefore holds the debt?


  • #1015
    walus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭walus


    The issue with Covid 19 crisis in Ireland goes much deeper imo. The government has assumed paternalistic stance, which stems from collectivism and socialism, and cost-benefit analysis went out of the window. That might have worked 70 years ago, but as we see and will continue to see going forward, it does not work in an open and free market global economy.

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • #1016
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    walus wrote: »
    The issue with Covid 19 crisis in Ireland goes much deeper imo. The government has assumed paternalistic stance, which stems from collectivism and socialism, and cost-benefit analysis went out of the window. That might have worked 70 years ago, but as we see and will continue to see going forward, it does not work in an open and free market global economy.

    Whereas the rest of Europe took the complete opposite approach?


  • #1017
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    average_runner wrote: »
    I pay a load in tax already and if I have to pay more so we get through this, then I will.and suffer .

    The problem is, the taxes from the last recession never went away. USC got very slightly reduced for people.

    The higher tax bracket kicks in WAY below the average industrial wage, which is completely unfair on lots of people.

    With the figures getting thrown around for Covid, it seems like we could be paying higher taxes for many years to come.

    People were already at breaking point, particularly people renting in Dublin.

    And if somehow there is no recession/austerity, then I’ll have to question how we ever had them.


  • #1018
    walus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭walus


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Who printed the cash and ultimately who therefore holds the debt?

    EBC have been printing money (quantitative easing) since 2015 as the Euro zone economy has been virtually flat growth wise since 2013. In 2016 these were consider an extraordinary measureS and were to save the economy. They self imposed a cap of 750 billion back then and printed 700 billion. In March 2020 That cap was lifted. The plan failed - it did not stimulate consumption and investment. I’m not sure why they think it will work this time.
    The ECB prints money and buys government bonds. ECB will be able to hold more than 33% of any one country’s debt.

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • #1019
    walus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭walus


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Whereas the rest of Europe took the complete opposite approach?

    What Does the rest of Europe Have anything to do with this? Watching others and copying their strategies is not a way out of this. Other countries are struggling even more, which means same strategy will work better under certain circumstances.

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • #1020
    The Belly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 572 ✭✭✭The Belly


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Who printed the cash and ultimately who therefore holds the debt?

    Who lent money out in the last boom(Banks) who owned the debt(German and french Banks mainly) and who paid for it and is still paying for it( Irish taxpayers)


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  • #1021
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    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    walus wrote: »
    EBC have been printing money (quantitative easing) since 2015 as the Euro zone economy has been virtually flat growth wise since 2013. In 2016 these were consider an extraordinary measureS and were to save the economy. They self imposed a cap of 750 billion back then and printed 700 billion. In March 2020 That cap was lifted. The plan failed - it did not stimulate consumption and investment. I’m not sure why they think it will work this time.
    The ECB prints money and buys government bonds. ECB will be able to hold more than 33% of any one country’s debt.

    Who owns the ECB?


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