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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #962
    The Belly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 572 ✭✭✭The Belly


    Virgil° wrote: »
    Because we know what happens when the virus is allowed to spread freely through a population.
    And we're willing to let the economy take a temporary hit to prevent that. It's pretty simple.

    A temporary hit:) I dont think you understand the gravity of the situation if it contiunes on the state of the countrys finances.


    But again you're offering the elderly sit in and not live, potentially for the remainder of the time they have or roll a loaded dice with their lives. Meanwhile you're not considering who actually cares for these people if the virus is allowed rampage through society. You can't put them in a room and lock the door.

    Did you actually look at who and where the vast amount of deaths came from? Nursing homes 1030 out 1768 in total.

    People in nursing homes are not out and about in shops and pubs working in factories or driving all over the ocuntry visiting people.

    Those that are not in nursing homes but at risk or just worried can follow the guidelines if they choose or don't its their choice and should not be made for them or anyone for that matter.

    The people who care from them will be the HSE which can focus their resources on the most at risk members of society while the rest of us go back to work and go back to normality.


  • #963
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,337 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    The Belly wrote: »
    Your totally missing the point

    Explain it to me so? What more opening up needs to happen? Who else needs to go back to work?


  • #964
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Some clusters in meat plants. Lock down 3 whole counties as well as many businesses!!!

    But sure the economy is open isn’t it?


  • #965
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Some clusters in meat plants. Lock down 3 whole counties as well as many businesses!!!

    But sure the economy is open isn’t it?

    Clusters have spread from meat plants, hence numbers gone up from 20 two.weeks to almost a 100 cases.

    If we cant behave then nanny state us


  • #966
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,823 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    The Belly wrote: »

    Did you actually look at who and where the vast amount of deaths came from? Nursing homes 1030 out 1768 in total.

    People in nursing homes are not out and about in shops and pubs working in factories or driving all over the ocuntry visiting people.

    Those that are not in nursing homes but at risk or just worried can follow the guidelines if they choose or don't its their choice and should not be made for them or anyone for that matter.

    The people who care from them will be the HSE which can focus their resources on the most at risk members of society while the rest of us go back to work and go back to normality.

    We really need to hurry up with building that statue for Dr Tony. :rolleyes:


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  • #967
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    The Belly wrote: »
    Virgil° wrote: »
    the HSE which can focus their resources on the most at risk members of society while the rest of us go back to work and go back to normality.

    If only it were that simple.


  • #968
    MEGA BRO WOLF 5000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,751 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    We really need to hurry up with building that statue for Dr Tony. :rolleyes:

    Thrown into nursing homes to die without their family around them while they die.

    Yeah. I’m not into the whole tearing down of statues but I’d 100% be into tearing that one down.

    After everything that man has done to the people and especially women of this country he’s nothing but a scum bag.


  • #969
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    Virgil° wrote: »
    Who says it isn't working? We could have done nothing at all and found ourselves in the same position as Florida? The fact that we aren't and that the ICU was never overrun shows that the lockdown has worked.



    You're being a bit disingenuous now lad aren't you? You weren't only suggesting that. You were also suggesting that the rest of the non-vunerable(being generous that they somehow know for sure they don't have a pre-existing counter-indicated condition) just get on with their lives as though the disease wasn't there.
    Without any thought or consideration towards how we could feasibly cocoon the elderly/vunerable , short of putting them all in a shipping container and throwing away the key, if the virus is rampant in society. Who cares for these people?

    The pro Swedish model crowd like to pretend they have never heard of a place called Florida.


  • #970
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    We are putting billions of our tax money into this and they cannot control a known risk sector (meat processing). This is a scandal which other businesses are paying for.

    I said this yesterday and will say again. Interestingly a day later the public representatives are also waking up to this.


  • #971
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So I can go to the airport, jump on a plane to Italy, go through the Italian airport, spend a week going to pubs and restaurants etc.

    But I can’t drive a few KM into Kildare? With very tiny numbers of community transmission.

    Ok...

    It’s gonna take a vaccine or an economic collapse to end this lockdown.

    If I was a betting man, I’d go with economic collapse.

    No way the schools last more than a few weeks if they open at all.


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  • #972
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    i_surge wrote: »
    The pro Swedish model crowd like to pretend they have never heard of a place called Florida.

    The anti Swedish crowd are grasping at straws to avoid the truth at all costs


  • #973
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    The anti Swedish crowd are grasping at straws to avoid the truth at all costs

    Aside from that simple inversion, what are your thoughts on Florida in reference to the Swedish model?

    Dying to hear your reasoning. You were commendably honest about being wrong on some picture being fake news, more of the same please?


  • #974
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    The anti Swedish crowd are grasping at straws to avoid the truth at all costs

    We will have all the answers soon with the second wave coming


  • #975
    bettyoleary
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭bettyoleary


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So I can go to the airport, jump on a plane to Italy, go through the Italian airport, spend a week going to pubs and restaurants etc.

    But I can’t drive a few KM into Kildare? With very tiny numbers of community transmission.

    Ok...

    It’s gonna take a vaccine or an economic collapse to end this lockdown.

    If I was a betting man, I’d go with economic collapse.

    No way the schools last more than a few weeks if they open at all.
    Yes you can do all that and more. You could rob a bank, murder your wife, smuggle drugs. You can do anything you want. But, you may get caught and pay the consequences. You are one of those people who say Im confused, why can I do this and not that???? Pandemic, Im afraid. Most sensible people know what they can and cant do without pointing out the obvious.


  • #976
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    average_runner wrote: »
    We will have all the answers soon with the second wave coming

    And its going to make 2008-2010 look like a walk in the park. Dreading it


  • #977
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,881 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    And its going to make 2008-2010 look like a walk in the park. Dreading it

    And we got thru it then and we will do the same again


  • #978
    Pitch n Putt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Pitch n Putt


    We’ve come along way since the beginning of this pandemic but today’s efforts topped the lot. Lockdown or restrictions on movement within three counties whatever you want to call it is really another totally ridiculous plan.

    Thousands of people from Kildare working in Dublin but that’s ok. Either lock it all down or not.

    Anyone remember when this all began and Dublin was the epicentre of the virus?

    Dublin was never mentioned all we heard was in the east of the country

    Now we can have specifics down to the actual location of where this is occurring.

    Why is it ok to be so specific now but was like top secret in the beginning ?

    We’re panicking and the panic is coming from the top down.

    What did they expect once things reopened?

    We have to keep going and carry on with living with this thing around.

    We can’t be imposing ridiculous restrictions for the sake of being seen to do something.


  • #979
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    average_runner wrote: »
    And we got thru it then and we will do the same again

    We didnt all get through it unfortunately, lots of youngsters had their lives destroyed


  • #980
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    And its going to make 2008-2010 look like a walk in the park. Dreading it

    If you care about the economy you should care about eradication. It is the optimum economic strategy.

    The Swedish model applied in Ireland is nothing but a pipedream for many reasons.


  • #981
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    i_surge wrote: »
    If you care about the economy you should care about eradication. It is the optimum economic strategy.

    The Swedish model applied in Ireland is nothing but a pipedream for many reasons.

    You may care about the economy as do I, the difference is I understand how it work's


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  • #982
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    You may care about the economy as do I, the difference is I understand how it work's

    You clearly don't.

    Send everyone back to work? Then what?


  • #983
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    i_surge wrote: »
    You clearly don't.

    Send everyone back to work? Then what?

    Prevent scenarios like DP and the meat plant fiasco taking place.

    Its rather simple, but then its even more simple to lock up citizen's.


  • #984
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So I can go to the airport, jump on a plane to Italy, go through the Italian airport, spend a week going to pubs and restaurants etc.

    But I can’t drive a few KM into Kildare? With very tiny numbers of community transmission.

    Ok...

    It’s gonna take a vaccine or an economic collapse to end this lockdown.

    If I was a betting man, I’d go with economic collapse.

    No way the schools last more than a few weeks if they open at all.

    Regular as clockwork here you go again with your drum banging. What in the name of Jesus did you think was going to happen after the spike in cases in the 3 counties were announced ? This 2 week period of restrictions in Kildare, Laois and Offaly was inevitable. Don`t try and pretend that you are shocked by it. Your fake outrage is very obvious.. I see you are now scare momgering about the schools as well. Jesus wept.


  • #985
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Prevent scenarios like DP and the meat plant fiasco taking place.

    Its rather simple, but then its even more simple to lock up citizen's.

    Even the countries with no lockdown currently are suffering really low footfall in their service industries. Consumer sentiment is on the floor. How do you account for that?

    You cannot send people to work when there is little work.


  • #986
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    John O.Groats wrote: »
    Regular as clockwork here you go again with your drum banging. What in the name of Jesus did you think was going to happen after the spike in cases in the 3 counties were announced ? This 2 week period of restrictions in Kildare, Laois and Offaly was inevitable. Don`t try and pretend that you are shocked by it. Your fake outrage is very obvious.. I see you are now scare momgering about the schools as well. Jesus wept.

    Ah John... the man who never contributes anything useful other than aggressive nonsense.


  • #987
    The Belly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 572 ✭✭✭The Belly


    i_surge wrote: »
    Even the countries with no lockdown currently are suffering really low footfall in their service industries. Consumer sentiment is on the floor. How do you account for that?

    You cannot send people to work when there is little work.

    Its on the floor because gov policy supported by the media has most of the population scared ****less.


  • #988
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    The Belly wrote: »
    Its on the floor because gov policy supported by the media has most of the population scared ****less.

    The media and public broadcaster is an echo chamber of the government.

    Investigate journaliam is dead. With that we also began to dig the grave of democracy.

    What's happening to the citizen's of those 3 midlands counties in 30 minutes time is due to a lack of leadership, a lack of planning and a lack of accountability.

    When the media doesnt ask the questions there is no one to ask them


  • #989
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hospital numbers in Tullamore, Laois and Naas = 0.


  • #990
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ah John... the man who never contributes anything useful other than aggressive nonsense.

    Oh right so anything that goes against your narrative is aggressive nonsense eh Jack lad.? And apart from constantly berating the government left right and centre for every single announcement they make what exactly have you contributed? I have yet to see you give them any shred of credit whatsoever for any of their decisions . Why is that I ask myself?


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  • #991
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Hospital numbers in Tullamore, Laois and Naas = 0.

    Isnt it better to have people suffer and die at home of a plethora of other causes than have a covid death?


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