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Madeleine McCann

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    What's the story with this woman who says she saw Madeleine alive and well and speaking german in P de L, two or three years ago?
    Why is she only coming forward now? She was so certain it was her so why didn't she call the police at the time?

    Genau!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    
    
    
    I presume you mean tips on place's he stole from ?
    Which no doubt happens as young people working in these hotels give tips for cash on what rooms you can steal from so money is an incentive to them but that's a whole different world than giving you tip to adduct a child ,

    No, nothing to do with cash tips for goodness sake.
    They weren’t tipping him off on where he could find a child to abduct, they tipped him off that the apartments would be empty with easy access during a specific window of time and that it would be ripe for the pickings.
    Perhaps they didn’t know that CB was a pedophile and rapist who would take the child too. But there is evidence that this is exactly how he carried out some of his previous crimes so it’s not impossible that he decided to do the same again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    What's the story with this woman who says she saw Madeleine alive and well and speaking german in P de L, two or three years ago?
    Why is she only coming forward now? She was so certain it was her so why didn't she call the police at the time?

    I thought she did report it and they searched with no luck so it was no followed up, I dunno what link it is on but I recall hearing that lately with the report of that sighting resurfacing cause I remember saying Madeline night not know she’s Madeline.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Calpol is paracetamol for children and has no sedative properties.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,379 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    What's the story with this woman who says she saw Madeleine alive and well and speaking german in P de L, two or three years ago?
    Why is she only coming forward now? She was so certain it was her so why didn't she call the police at the time?
    Not P de L , it was in Gale near Albufeira


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    Ok but how woud he be tipped off that the kids where sedated or giving calpol but the parents ?

    To do that himself doesn't make same either as there are 3 kids .
    How do you sedate a 3 without one raising the alarm or leaving any trace of the sedative ?

    I doubt he was tipped off to that extent, maybe an accidental tip off of Hey Apt 3 is free from 8 onwards every half hour they do checks bla bla bla, I just think the link between them being unable to be woken when all that was going on in the aftermath has to be a link to Madeleines state when she was taken. IMO only.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,702 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    What's the story with this woman who says she saw Madeleine alive and well and speaking german in P de L, two or three years ago?
    Why is she only coming forward now? She was so certain it was her so why didn't she call the police at the time?

    99.999999% that was not Madeleine she saw,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Calpol is paracetamol for children and has no sedative properties.

    Totally plausible to be used in a heavy dose as she woke the night before calling for her Dad. Nothing sinister about doing that but the part of doing it so you can go and leave them alone while you have dinner isn’t good parenting, that being said they didn’t deserve to pay for it like this.


  • Site Banned Posts: 64 ✭✭Montageofhell


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    The theory is that there was some sort of mutually beneficial agreement with someone within the hotel who was tipping him off on what apartments could be burgled, and it’s likely that they mentioned the kids being there in passing not knowing what he’d actually do.
    It was common knowledge that the kids were being left unattended in empty apartments.

    There was a huge amount of burglaries in the immediate area in the months leading up to Madeleines disappearance. CB was a convicted burglar, drug dealer, violent rapist and pedophile.
    It makes sense.

    You're adding two and two together and getting 50.

    It wasn't common knowledge that the kids were left unattended. Some hotel staff new.

    Do you think someone would have reported a hotel worker being friends with a criminal such as CB? Would the hotel worker not have come forward themselves or left an anonymous tip?

    It doesn't add up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    ittakestwo wrote: »
    99.999999% that was not Madeleine she saw,

    Easily could be 99.9% it was her . That’ll always remain a possibility unless someone is discovered.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    No, nothing to do with cash tips for goodness sake.
    They weren’t tipping him off on where he could find a child to abduct, they tipped him off that the apartments would be empty with easy access during a specific window of time and that it would be ripe for the pickings.
    Perhaps they didn’t know that CB was a pedophile and rapist who would take the child too. But there is evidence that this is exactly how he carried out some of his previous crimes so it’s not impossible that he decided to do the same again.

    Can't see this being the case at all
    If a person gave him that info for a robbery and then released Maddie was missing they would have no doubt alerted the police to CB before 13 years later ,
    They could have done so in many of ways not to implicate themselves ,

    Iv said form day one this was lone wolf or parents to litte info for it to be anything but that,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,943 ✭✭✭✭the purple tin


    I thought she did report it and they searched with no luck so it was no followed up, I dunno what link it is on but I recall hearing that lately with the report of that sighting resurfacing cause I remember saying Madeline night not know she’s Madeline.
    Ah right, I only read it in the paper couple of weeks ago. It came across like she was only coming forward atm but I haven't followed the story.


    ittakestwo wrote: »
    99.999999% that was not Madeleine she saw,
    She says it was her for sure, she even got close enough to see that thing in her iris.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    You're adding two and two together and getting 50.

    It wasn't common knowledge that the kids were left unattended. Some hotel staff new.

    Do you think someone would have reported a hotel worker being friends with a criminal such as CB? Would the hotel worker not have come forward themselves or left an anonymous tip?

    It doesn't add up.

    Nope, a huge range of staff had access to that book with the specific reason for the booking so they would have known the children were alone.
    He carried out previous crimes by receiving insider tip offs.

    He went pretty much completely undetected from the authorities for 13 years, so yes it’s very believable that it went unreported. He committed many violent crimes in the general area but the true scale of his criminal behaviour went unnoticed until very recently. He got away with most of his crimes for over a decade due to lack of reporting and because he’s very talented at evading responsibility.
    It adds up, you just don’t want to see it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,943 ✭✭✭✭the purple tin


    Not P de L , it was in Gale near Albufeira
    Outside a supermarket is that the same sighting? 2017 I think it said. She said 'Maddie' was speaking german to another girl about the same age.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    She says it was her for sure, she even got close enough to see that thing in her iris.

    Why did she decide to wait three years to report it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,943 ✭✭✭✭the purple tin


    Why did she decide to wait three years to report it?
    Apparently she did report it but nothing ever came of it.

    Madeleine has been constantly sighted all over the planet since she went missing so I suppose it would be hard for police to thoroughly investigate all sightings.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    Ah right, I only read it in the paper couple of weeks ago. It came across like she was only coming forward atm but I haven't followed the story.




    She says it was her for sure, she even got close enough to see that thing in her iris.

    Would love to see a picture it an interview with that woman, was the girl well dressed, looking happy? does she know the Madeline case herself (As in the girl thought to be Madeline) Would love her to be alive somewhere if she has a normal life but didn’t know who she actually is, stranger things have definitely happened.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Can't see this being the case at all
    If a person gave him that info for a robbery and then released Maddie was missing they would have no doubt alerted the police to CB before 13 years later ,
    They could have done so in many of ways not to implicate themselves ,

    Iv said form day one this was lone wolf or parents to litte info for it to be anything but that,

    No doubt they would have alerted the authorities?
    Look at how many crimes he got away with without arousing any suspicion until very recently, and yet you find it hard to believe that his accomplice didn’t alert the authorities and tell on him?
    He is a dangerous, violent man, we have no idea what kind of arrangement might have been between them.
    Maybe they were terrified of being implicated or maybe there was some sort of personal threat was held over the other person so that they kept quiet.

    Hopefully as more evidence is released it will become more clear what actually happened. But the fact that his phone pinged off the Ocean Club mast at around the time Madeleine went missing is very very telling.
    He got a call from someone who the police believe was involved or implicated in the kidnapping in some way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,702 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    Ah right, I only read it in the paper couple of weeks ago. It came across like she was only coming forward atm but I haven't followed the story.




    She says it was her for sure, she even got close enough to see that thing in her iris.

    Not saying she is lying. She probably believes it is Madeleine. But the chance of it being her are extremely low.

    Also how believable is that someone can recognize a 17 year old from a picture of when they are 3, And then claim they are ''sure'' it is them. How could anybody be sure of that. It is the sort of things police have to investigate and know they are wasting their time. How many ''sure'' sightings of Elvis has there been since he died?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,943 ✭✭✭✭the purple tin


    ittakestwo wrote: »
    Not saying she is lying. She probably believes it is Madeleine. But the chance of it being her are extremely low.

    Also how believable is that someone can recognize a 17 year old from a picture of when they are 3, And then claim they are ''sure'' it is them. How could anybody be sure of that. It is the sort of things police have to investigate and know they are wasting their time. How many ''sure'' sightings of Elvis has there been since he died?
    Elvis!? I've never heard anyone say he is still alive!
    The guy's body was so screwed up with the amount of drugs he took and crap he ate that he is dead with a capital D.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    No doubt they would have alerted the authorities?
    Look at how many crimes he got away with without arousing any suspicion until very recently, and yet you find it hard to believe that his accomplice didn’t alert the authorities and tell on him?
    He is a dangerous, violent man, we have no idea what kind of arrangement might have been between them.
    Maybe they were terrified of being implicated or maybe there was some sort of personal threat was held over the other person so that they kept quiet.

    Hopefully as more evidence is released it will become more clear what actually happened. But the fact that his phone pinged off the Ocean Club mast at around the time Madeleine went missing is very very telling.
    He got a call from someone who the police believe was involved or implicated in the kidnapping in some way.

    Personally I don't believe for a second he got tipped off by someone who worked there ,

    The case was to big for him to have accomplish that worked there and not come forward or mention CB to the police or anyone else who would have mentioned him, So many ways you could have got his name to the police without implicating yourself,

    Do we know how many people even worked the night shift every night ?
    It's not the biggest of places, How many could possible know there nightly routine ?

    PS of course I doesn't mean I am right its just my opinion


  • Site Banned Posts: 64 ✭✭Montageofhell


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Nope, a huge range of staff had access to that book with the specific reason for the booking so they would have known the children were alone.
    He carried out previous crimes by receiving insider tip offs.

    He went pretty much completely undetected from the authorities for 13 years, so yes it’s very believable that it went unreported. He committed many violent crimes in the general area but the true scale of his criminal behaviour went unnoticed until very recently. He got away with most of his crimes for over a decade due to lack of reporting and because he’s very talented at evading responsibility.
    It adds up, you just don’t want to see it.

    So you believe a hotel worker tipped off CB and has remained silent about it for 13 years? Not even giving an anonymous tip?


  • Site Banned Posts: 64 ✭✭Montageofhell


    Personally I don't believe for a second he got tipped off by someone who worked there ,

    The case was to big for him to have accomplish that worked there and not come forward or mention CB to the police or anyone else who would have mentioned him, So many ways you could have got his name to the police without implicating yourself,

    Do we know how many people even worked the night shift every night ?
    It's not the biggest of places, How many could possible know there nightly routine ?

    It's actually a ridiculous notion when you think about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    It's actually a ridiculous notion when you think about it.


    I'm sure it happens but also if he done it before that's one thing but does he have a host off people working in different hotels for him ?
    Even if he did they would have got word to the police a long time ago

    Personally I think its to far fetched


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Personally I don't believe for a second he got tipped off by someone who worked there ,

    The case was to big for him to have accomplish that worked there and not come forward or mention CB to the police or anyone else who would have mentioned him, So many ways you could have got his name to the police without implicating yourself,

    Do we know how many people even worked the night shift every night ?
    It's not the biggest of places, How many could possible know there nightly routine ?

    PS of course I doesn't mean I am right its just my opinion

    You’re missing the point, it wouldn’t have to be someone working the nightshift. Reception staff, cleaners, waiters, managers etc all had access to that book.
    It was left open in a public space where anyone could see it, and they were the talk of the hotel for leaving the kids alone.
    Day staff could have passed on the info very easily.

    Why would they come forward if they were under threat from CB? Or if it was possible they could be implicated, for either Madeleines kidnapping or other previous crimes?
    It isn’t exactly common for accomplices to serious crimes to fess up at the first opportunity. Thats the whole point of the current appeals, the police are hoping someone will crack and give them what they need to piece it all together.

    The fact that he got tip offs for previous rapes, violent attacks and burglaries is extremely pertinent because it’s clear that this is how he operates.
    Whether it’s from threatening people, coercion or paying them off, he gets his info from others and uses that to scope out victims.
    When you consider both this and the phone call it’s not all that unlikely that this is what happened the night Madeleine disappeared too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    I didn't bring up hiding in the bushes. :confused: I was just noting how implausible that was. So take it up with the poster who brought it up.

    Sorry, my bad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    You’re missing the point, it wouldn’t have to be someone working the nightshift. Reception staff, cleaners, waiters, managers etc all had access to that book.
    It was left open in a public space where anyone could see it, and they were the talk of the hotel for leaving the kids alone.
    Day staff could have passed on the info very easily.

    Why would they come forward if they were under threat from CB? Or if it was possible they could be implicated, for either Madeleines kidnapping or other previous crimes?
    It isn’t exactly common for accomplices to serious crimes to fess up at the first opportunity. Thats the whole point of the current appeals, the police are hoping someone will crack and give them what they need to piece it all together.

    The fact that he got tip offs for previous rapes, violent attacks and burglaries is extremely pertinent because it’s clear that this is how he operates.
    Whether it’s from threatening people, coercion or paying them off, he gets his info from others and uses that to scope out victims.
    When you consider both this and the phone call it’s not all that unlikely that this is what happened the night Madeleine disappeared too.

    Still think its is to far fetched, there is no evidence at all to suggest a worker was anyway involved ,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    So you believe a hotel worker tipped off CB and has remained silent about it for 13 years? Not even giving an anonymous tip?

    That’s the whole point of the current appeals.
    They are hoping the person will crack and come forward and give them what they need to piece it all together. They know that someone else gave him info or was helping him.
    That’s why they’re appealing for the owner of the phone number that spoke to CB on the night Madeleine went missing to come forward.

    The alternative is that he was ‘lucky’ enough to randomly decide to burgle an apartment, having no prior knowledge if the occupiers would be home or not, only to find 3 sleeping unsupervised kids, giving him the perfect opportunity to kidnap one.
    I find that more far fetched.
    He isn’t stupid, there’s a reason he got away with all his disgusting crimes for so long.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    What's the story with this woman who says she saw Madeleine alive and well and speaking german in P de L, two or three years ago?
    Why is she only coming forward now? She was so certain it was her so why didn't she call the police at the time?

    Attention seeker.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Still think its is to far fetched, there is no evidence at all to suggest a worker was anyway involved ,

    Yes there is, one such worker was identified who happened to have CB’s phone number stored in their phone. The staff member admitted passing info onto CB but they still think someone else was involved.
    Police have identified the Ocean Club employee who passed the information on to Christian B, said the newspaper Correio de Manha.
    It also reported that the employee had Christian B's mobile phone number in his own phone.

    Last week, the phone number was issued by Scotland Yard and German detectives in a public appeal for information about the suspect.

    Police suspect Christian B, 43, who had a history of burglary, sex abuse and other crimes, used the tip-off to try to steal valuables from the McCanns' apartment, but then kidnapped Madeleine.


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