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Madeleine McCann

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  • #3692
    Babooshka
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,142 ✭✭✭Babooshka


    buttercups88 wrote: »
    Even if someone did report him for suspicious behaviour it would have been reported to the same police force who took an hour to show up to investigate a missing child so I'm sure they wouldn't be any quicker to act on someone acting suspicious

    He was supposed to be questioned, but sure, he wasn't in when they called into him and so they just left it. Absolute keystones.


  • #3693
    Montageofhell
    Site Banned Posts: 64 ✭✭Montageofhell


    buttercups88 wrote: »
    Even if someone did report him for suspicious behaviour it would have been reported to the same police force who took an hour to show up to investigate a missing child so I'm sure they wouldn't be any quicker to act on someone acting suspicious

    You're forgetting that more than one police force has investigated this?


  • #3694
    Montageofhell
    Site Banned Posts: 64 ✭✭Montageofhell


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'm not talking about him staking out the apartment. Instead I'm suggesting he wandered around the area a few nights in a row and established patterns in multiple places. It maybe started out as scoping places for burglaries and then discovered the McCanns and their vulnerable pattern.

    He'd have to be watching them coming and going. He didn't know who was in the apartment, he didn't know if they'd still be there, any of this. Your theory is possible but doesn't stack up in my opinion.


  • #3695
    Montageofhell
    Site Banned Posts: 64 ✭✭Montageofhell


    Banana Republic. wrote: »
    Do you not understand he lived there so he didn’t need to have the van outside the apartments everyday, there was no van spotted anywhere near the apartments on the night of the incident.

    A man watching the apartment would provide more suspicion. Doesn't add up.


  • #3696
    buttercups88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 764 ✭✭✭buttercups88


    Montageofhell wrote: »
    You're forgetting that more than one police force has investigated this?

    I was referring to someone acting suspicious in the area before madeleine disappeared. The


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  • #3697
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Montageofhell wrote: »
    He'd have to be watching them coming and going. He didn't know who was in the apartment, he didn't know if they'd still be there, any of this. Your theory is possible but doesn't stack up in my opinion.

    Did you watch the Netflix documentary? The apartment had roadside access and plenty of little spots in the shrubbery where a person could hide and watch.
    It’s very likely that this is what he did, and took his opportunity in between checks.


  • #3698
    Montageofhell
    Site Banned Posts: 64 ✭✭Montageofhell


    buttercups88 wrote: »
    I was referring to someone acting suspicious in the area before madeleine disappeared. The

    I was referring to all the people reported after the disappearance, so many were.


  • #3699
    Montageofhell
    Site Banned Posts: 64 ✭✭Montageofhell


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Did you watch the Netflix documentary? The apartment had roadside access and plenty of little spots in the shrubbery where a person could hide and watch.
    It’s very likely that this is what he did, and took his opportunity in between checks.

    As has been noted, it's a holiday resort with so many people around. A man acting suspiciously in the bushes would cause concern. How did he know what they were checking on anyway? How would he know if anyone was in the apartment? This theory lacks plausibility.


  • #3700
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    Montageofhell wrote: »
    As has been noted, it's a holiday resort with so many people around. A man acting suspiciously in the bushes would cause concern. How did he know what they were checking on anyway? How would he know if anyone was in the apartment? This theory lacks plausibility.

    Acting suspiciously in the bushes.. seriously!

    Walking by a couple of times maybe, driving by a couple of times maybe, going for a drink in the resort and seeing whats happening..

    He probably wasn’t in the bushes in an orange jump suit with a pair of binoculars!!


  • #3701
    Montageofhell
    Site Banned Posts: 64 ✭✭Montageofhell


    Rock77 wrote: »
    Acting suspiciously in the bushes.. seriously!

    Walking by a couple of times maybe, driving by a couple of times maybe, going for a drink in the resort and seeing whats happening..

    He probably wasn’t in the bushes in an orange jump suit with a pair of binoculars!!

    Driving by for what, walking by for what, going for a drink for what? You're looking at this from after the event. How did he know there was a little girl left on her own in the apartment? He couldn't have had. Why would he hide in the bushes to watch poeople go into their apartment and out again? This all seems so far fetched.


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  • #3702
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Montageofhell wrote: »
    As has been noted, it's a holiday resort with so many people around. A man acting suspiciously in the bushes would cause concern. How did he know what they were checking on anyway? How would he know if anyone was in the apartment? This theory lacks plausibility.

    This has all been discussed at length already, none of your conclusions are new ones.

    That man committed a variety of crimes in PdeL over many years without arousing any suspicious whatsoever so it actually is very plausible, because it actually happened.

    He could have been standing outside the apartments waiting for his wife and children, for all any of the passerby’s thought.
    There were also many places for him to hide if he chose to, as well.
    None of it would arouse suspicion, he would have looked like another tourist to them.

    The theory is that he received a tip-off from someone inside the hotel that a bunch of Brits were leaving their children unattended every night while they went for dinner.
    As has been noted, the Tapas group booked the same table at the same time in the same restaurant every night & there was a note on their booking that their kids being asleep alone in the apartments was the reason for this.
    A wider range of staff had access to the booking schedule.
    It was common knowledge around the hotel.
    All it would take would be one of those people passing that info onto CB for him to be aware, and there’s evidence that this is exactly how he carried out some of his previous crimes.
    It was how he knew when vulnerable elderly women or a small child was alone, or when a property was ripe to be burgled.

    All it would take would be to watch for a few nights to establish their routine, and take his opportunity in between checks. The apartment door had been left unlocked, and he was in and out before anyone even knew Madeleine was gone.
    I strongly suggest you watch the Netflix documentary if you haven’t already, because it explains it all.


  • #3703
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    This has all been discussed at length already, none of your conclusions are new ones.

    That man committed a variety of crimes in PdeL over many years without arousing any suspicious whatsoever so it actually is very plausible, because it actually happened.

    He could have been standing outside the apartments waiting for his wife and children, for all any of the passerby’s thought.
    There were also many places for him to hide if he chose to, as well.
    None of it would arouse suspicion, he would have looked like another tourist to them.

    The theory is that he received a tip-off from someone inside the hotel that a bunch of Brits were leaving their children unattended every night while they went for dinner.
    As has been noted, the Tapas group booked the same table at the same time in the same restaurant every night & there was a note on their booking that their kids being asleep alone in the apartments was the reason for this.
    A wider range of staff had access to the booking schedule.
    It was common knowledge around the hotel.
    All it would take would be one of those people passing that info onto CB for him to be aware, and there’s evidence that this is exactly how he carried out some of his previous crimes.
    It was how he knew when vulnerable elderly women or a small child was alone, or when a property was ripe to be burgled.

    All it would take would be to watch for a few nights to establish their routine, and take his opportunity in between checks. The apartment door had been left unlocked, and he was in and out before anyone even knew Madeleine was gone.
    I strongly suggest you watch the Netflix documentary if you haven’t already, because it explains it all.

    Hiding , receiving tip off all that is nonsense,

    The fella probably walked past same time as a McCann walked out the door of the apartment,

    Just had a quick glace to see where they where off to and saw them sitting down to food and went straight in to the apartment to robbed it and came cross the kids by chance,

    no chance he's taking tip offs or stalking people , to steal a child in a room with two other children ,

    The first part shows use of his brain and being cunning the second part doesn't fit , He wouldn't go to that level of planning and take a chance with of one of 3 kids screaming ,


  • #3704
    Rock77
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    Montageofhell wrote: »
    Driving by for what, walking by for what, going for a drink for what? You're looking at this from after the event. How did he know there was a little girl left on her own in the apartment? He couldn't have had. Why would he hide in the bushes to watch poeople go into their apartment and out again? This all seems so far fetched.

    You said a man acting suspiciously in the bushes would be noticed.. my point was if someone was scoping a place out for a crime of any sort they probably wouldn’t make it obvious that they were scoping the place out... like hiding in the bushes!

    I don’t know if he scoped the place out, planned it, found the child during a chance burglary.. or even if it was him.

    I’m just stating that your point about him standing in the bushes looking suspicious is ridiculous


  • #3705
    Montageofhell
    Site Banned Posts: 64 ✭✭Montageofhell


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    This has all been discussed at length already, none of your conclusions are new ones.

    That man committed a variety of crimes in PdeL over many years without arousing any suspicious whatsoever so it actually is very plausible, because it actually happened.

    He could have been standing outside the apartments waiting for his wife and children, for all any of the passerby’s thought.
    There were also many places for him to hide if he chose to, as well.
    None of it would arouse suspicion, he would have looked like another tourist to them.

    The theory is that he received a tip-off from someone inside the hotel that a bunch of Brits were leaving their children unattended every night while they went for dinner.
    As has been noted, the Tapas group booked the same table at the same time in the same restaurant every night & there was a note on their booking that their kids being asleep alone in the apartments was the reason for this.
    A wider range of staff had access to the booking schedule.
    It was common knowledge around the hotel.
    All it would take would be one of those people passing that info onto CB for him to be aware, and there’s evidence that this is exactly how he carried out some of his previous crimes.
    It was how he knew when vulnerable elderly women or a small child was alone, or when a property was ripe to be burgled.

    All it would take would be to watch for a few nights to establish their routine, and take his opportunity in between checks. The apartment door had been left unlocked, and he was in and out before anyone even knew Madeleine was gone.
    I strongly suggest you watch the Netflix documentary if you haven’t already, because it explains it all.

    Why would they pass any information to CB? I've watched the documentary and it doesn't explain any of this at all!


  • #3706
    Montageofhell
    Site Banned Posts: 64 ✭✭Montageofhell


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Hiding , receiving tip off all that is nonsense,

    The fella probably walked past same time as a McCann walked out the door of the apartment,

    Just had a quick glace to see where they where off to and saw them sitting down to food and went straight in to the apartment to robbed it and came cross the kids by chance,

    no chance he's taking tip offs or stalking people , to steal a child in a room with two other children ,

    The first part shows use of his brain and being cunning the second part doesn't fit , He wouldn't go to that level of planning and take a chance with of one of 3 kids screaming ,

    I agree, it's just ridiculously far fetched, your theory is far more realistic.


  • #3707
    Montageofhell
    Site Banned Posts: 64 ✭✭Montageofhell


    Rock77 wrote: »
    You said a man acting suspiciously in the bushes would be noticed.. my point was if someone was scoping a place out for a crime of any sort they probably wouldn’t make it obvious that they were scoping the place out... like hiding in the bushes!

    I don’t know if he scoped the place out, planned it, found the child during a chance burglary.. or even if it was him.

    I’m just stating that your point about him standing in the bushes looking suspicious is ridiculous

    I didn't bring up hiding in the bushes. :confused: I was just noting how implausible that was. So take it up with the poster who brought it up.


  • #3708
    flasher0030
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,084 ✭✭✭flasher0030


    You have to bear in mind this guy was an extremely good burgler.
    In order to do that time after time and not get caught requires meticulous planning. He's not just going to have a look at someone leaving an apartment and taker a chance that nobody else inside.
    I'm pretty sure he would be walking around the resort day upon day, night after night - and his main focus would be ideal candidates to rob valuables from, or even a young child. Maybe his sick personality had built up enough adrenaline in him that he was ready to take a child for his own enjoyment or maybe he had come in contact with someone who would purchase a young child from him.
    Anyway, that's one thing about a holiday resort, you can go anywhere, stand anywhere for as long as you want, and no suspicion is aroused. Almost everyone is off guard on holidays, almost everyone is a stranger.
    He could have seen the same group of people out for dinner every night. No kids with them. Very easy for him to wait around and see what they do with the kids. It's a warm area, so people will have windows open. He could stand outside and listen to conversations (if he understands English; I don't know).
    Some people on here seem to be of the opinion - "shure he couldn't be doing that". Of course he could. During the day, he could be lounging around the pool are in the hotel they were staying at. Getting bits of info.


  • #3709
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Hiding , receiving tip off all that is nonsense,

    The fella probably walked past same time as a McCann walked out the door of the apartment,

    Just had a quick glace to see where they where off to and saw them sitting down to food and went straight in to the apartment to robbed it and came cross the kids by chance,

    no chance he's taking tip offs or stalking people , to steal a child in a room with two other children ,

    The first part shows use of his brain and being cunning the second part doesn't fit , He wouldn't go to that level of planning and take a chance with of one of 3 kids screaming ,

    What and turned around went into the apartment to rob something but ended up with a child and got away Scot free for the next 13 years, one of the greatest opportunistic abductions of all time. Possible as he’d always had the idea of taking a child and the opportunity presented itself and off he went into the night. How didn’t Madeline scream in his arms or how did the other kids not wake up (even through the search when all the police and Tapas Crew were there). He was incredibly lucky, The odds must be humongous.


  • #3710
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    flasher0030 wrote: »
    You have to bear in mind this guy was an extremely good burgler.
    In order to do that time after time and not get caught requires meticulous planning. He's not just going to have a look at someone leaving an apartment and taker a chance that nobody else inside.
    I'm pretty sure he would be walking around the resort day upon day, night after night - and his main focus would be ideal candidates to rob valuables from, or even a young child. Maybe his sick personality had built up enough adrenaline in him that he was ready to take a child for his own enjoyment or maybe he had come in contact with someone who would purchase a young child from him.
    Anyway, that's one thing about a holiday resort, you can go anywhere, stand anywhere for as long as you want, and no suspicion is aroused. Almost everyone is off guard on holidays, almost everyone is a stranger.
    He could have seen the same group of people out for dinner every night. No kids with them. Very easy for him to wait around and see what they do with the kids. It's a warm area, so people will have windows open. He could stand outside and listen to conversations (if he understands English; I don't know).
    Some people on here seem to be of the opinion - "shure he couldn't be doing that". Of course he could. During the day, he could be lounging around the pool are in the hotel they were staying at. Getting bits of info.

    I do agree he would be hiding in plain sight but hiding in bushes and getting tips just ridicules .


  • #3711
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    flasher0030 wrote: »
    You have to bear in mind this guy was an extremely good burgler.
    In order to do that time after time and not get caught requires meticulous planning. He's not just going to have a look at someone leaving an apartment and taker a chance that nobody else inside.
    I'm pretty sure he would be walking around the resort day upon day, night after night - and his main focus would be ideal candidates to rob valuables from, or even a young child. Maybe his sick personality had built up enough adrenaline in him that he was ready to take a child for his own enjoyment or maybe he had come in contact with someone who would purchase a young child from him.
    Anyway, that's one thing about a holiday resort, you can go anywhere, stand anywhere for as long as you want, and no suspicion is aroused. Almost everyone is off guard on holidays, almost everyone is a stranger.
    He could have seen the same group of people out for dinner every night. No kids with them. Very easy for him to wait around and see what they do with the kids. It's a warm area, so people will have windows open. He could stand outside and listen to conversations (if he understands English; I don't know).
    Some people on here seem to be of the opinion - "shure he couldn't be doing that". Of course he could. During the day, he could be lounging around the pool are in the hotel they were staying at. Getting bits of info.

    Exactly this ppl don’t leave things to chance, the plan plan and dream of the day over and over again to get their ultimate prize or scenario. They don’t think like the rest of us do so you have to think outside the box thinking of this guy.


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  • #3712
    Montageofhell
    Site Banned Posts: 64 ✭✭Montageofhell


    flasher0030 wrote: »
    You have to bear in mind this guy was an extremely good burgler.
    In order to do that time after time and not get caught requires meticulous planning. He's not just going to have a look at someone leaving an apartment and taker a chance that nobody else inside.
    I'm pretty sure he would be walking around the resort day upon day, night after night - and his main focus would be ideal candidates to rob valuables from, or even a young child. Maybe his sick personality had built up enough adrenaline in him that he was ready to take a child for his own enjoyment or maybe he had come in contact with someone who would purchase a young child from him.
    Anyway, that's one thing about a holiday resort, you can go anywhere, stand anywhere for as long as you want, and no suspicion is aroused. Almost everyone is off guard on holidays, almost everyone is a stranger.
    He could have seen the same group of people out for dinner every night. No kids with them. Very easy for him to wait around and see what they do with the kids. It's a warm area, so people will have windows open. He could stand outside and listen to conversations (if he understands English; I don't know).
    Some people on here seem to be of the opinion - "shure he couldn't be doing that". Of course he could. During the day, he could be lounging around the pool are in the hotel they were staying at. Getting bits of info.

    How do you know he's a burglar?


  • #3713
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Hiding , receiving tip off all that is nonsense,

    The fella probably walked past same time as a McCann walked out the door of the apartment,

    Just had a quick glace to see where they where off to and saw them sitting down to food and went straight in to the apartment to robbed it and came cross the kids by chance,

    no chance he's taking tip offs or stalking people , to steal a child in a room with two other children ,

    The first part shows use of his brain and being cunning the second part doesn't fit , He wouldn't go to that level of planning and take a chance with of one of 3 kids screaming ,

    There’s evidence that’s he took tip offs from other people to complete some of his other crimes, so there’s no reason to think he didn’t do the same here.
    The apartment had roadside access, there were places for him to hide if he needed to while he watched. That’s the point I was making.


  • #3714
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Banana Republic. wrote: »
    What and turned around went into the apartment to rob something but ended up with a child and got away Scot free for the next 13 years, one of the greatest opportunistic abductions of all time. Possible as he’d always had the idea of taking a child and the opportunity presented itself and off he went into the night. How didn’t Madeline scream in his arms or how did the other kids not wake up (even through the search when all the police and Tapas Crew were there). He was incredibly lucky, The odds must be humongous.

    Yes exactly what I think happened,
    Sometimes the truth is stranger than fictions ,

    Not sure what your getting at about the other kids not waking do you think he used something to knock them out or what are you trying to get at there ?


  • #3715
    buttercups88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 764 ✭✭✭buttercups88


    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/the-bedroom-door-was-ajar-when-gerry-checked-508018

    Does anyone remember anything else about this statement where gerry thought there may have been someone in the apartment on his previous check.

    Would it have been possible for C.B to have slipped in and given her a sedative of some kind then hidden until check was completed and sedative kicked in. Obviously it would have been extremely risky but if he knew their routine after watching fir few days who knows


  • #3716
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Yes exactly what I think happened,
    Sometimes the truth is stranger than fictions ,

    Not sure what your getting at about the other kids not waking do you think he used something to knock them out or what are you trying to get at there ?

    Either he did or the parents did. They didn’t flinch when the place was being turned upside down so Madeline has to have the same as they did. No screams as he walked away with her. They said they found no sedatives in the twins so would a heavy dose of Calpol knock them out? Surely their heavy sedation has links to Madeline been taken without a word or any witnesses.


  • #3717
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    There’s evidence that’s he took tip offs from other people to complete some of his other crimes, so there’s no reason to think he didn’t do the same here.
    The apartment had roadside access, there were places for him to hide if he needed to while he watched. That’s the point I was making.

    I presume you mean tips on place's he stole from ?
    Which no doubt happens as young people working in these hotels give tips for cash on what rooms you can steal from so money is an incentive to them but that's a whole different world than giving you tip to adduct a child ,


  • #3718
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Montageofhell wrote: »
    Why would they pass any information to CB? I've watched the documentary and it doesn't explain any of this at all!

    The theory is that there was some sort of mutually beneficial agreement with someone within the hotel who was tipping him off on what apartments could be burgled, and it’s likely that they mentioned the kids being there in passing not knowing what he’d actually do.
    It was common knowledge that the kids were being left unattended in empty apartments.

    There was a huge amount of burglaries in the immediate area in the months leading up to Madeleines disappearance. CB was a convicted burglar, drug dealer, violent rapist and pedophile.
    It makes sense.


  • #3719
    Banana Republic.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    buttercups88 wrote: »
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/the-bedroom-door-was-ajar-when-gerry-checked-508018

    Does anyone remember anything else about this statement where gerry thought there may have been someone in the apartment on his previous check.

    Would it have been possible for C.B to have slipped in and given her a sedative of some kind then hidden until check was completed and sedative kicked in. Obviously it would have been extremely risky but if he knew their routine after watching fir few days who knows

    Yes and Gerry never went into the room even though he thought someone was in there. That’s your kids go in and check on them if you think someone was in there.
    Yes I do agree he could of been there longer and gave them something to sleep heavily but nothing came up in the tests after I recall. Either way Madeline made no cry’s that were ever audible or witnessed. Nothing just vanished


  • #3720
    the purple tin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,943 ✭✭✭✭the purple tin


    What's the story with this woman who says she saw Madeleine alive and well and speaking german in P de L, two or three years ago?
    Why is she only coming forward now? She was so certain it was her so why didn't she call the police at the time?


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  • #3721
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Banana Republic. wrote: »
    Either he did or the parents did. They didn’t flinch when the place was being turned upside down so Madeline has to have the same as they did. No screams as he walked away with her. They said they found no sedatives in the twins so would a heavy dose of Calpol knock them out? Surely their heavy sedation has links to Madeline been taken without a word or any witnesses.

    Ok but how woud he be tipped off that the kids where sedated or giving calpol but the parents ?

    To do that himself doesn't make same either as there are 3 kids .
    How do you sedate a 3 without one raising the alarm or leaving any trace of the sedative ?


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