Madeleine McCann

dark crystal · 28-07-2020 04:50PM

Emmy Rapid Urine wrote: »

Yes but I presume you weren't going on public websites and stating your thoughts and saying Gerry looks dodgy, Kate seems cold and all the other nasty rubbish that people have been posting about two people they don't know who have lost their child.

They're some of the kinder comments, tbh.

The conspiracy theorists who made up some of the vilest stuff, such as them being part of a paedophile ring, accusing their friends of being paedophiles, government cover-ups, etc. are the lowest of the low. These same people, who feign concern for the welfare of the McCann children have no issues spreading this bile, knowing their twins will probably read it at some stage, are contemptible, imo.

You can have your theories on who committed the crime, but that other stuff comes from a place of pure malice. Such people, I suspect, will never give the parents any peace from their poison, even if this guy, or anyone else, was eventually found to be the culprit.

28-07-2020 04:53PM

dark crystal wrote: »

I think it more likely this is what they're searching for too, rather than a body. Logistically, it would be very difficult to transport a dead body that distance, given the (apologies) odour that would be present after a day or two. Praia de Luz is approximately 2,700 km from Hanover.

It's possible he may have drugged her while transporting her alive, but the chances he would be stopped at some stage on the journey through three different countries would have been too big a chance to take, especially given all the publicity surrounding the case.

I think they're probably looking for similar evidence to the haul they found at the old disused factory, i.e; usb sticks or photographic evidence. Perhaps some sick souvenir he may have kept, as sickos like him are wont to do.

Whatever the reason, like others have said, I hope something, anything, is found to help resolve this case and give her parents some closure at long last. How agonising it must be to constantly get your hopes up only to be led down another blind alley. They deserve some peace.

I've driven from Athlone to Prague and back. Didn't get stopped once.

From what I've read, he was going back and fourth between Germany and Portugal quite regularly. He'd know the route and what to expect.

dark crystal · 28-07-2020 04:55PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I've driven from Athlone to Prague and back. Didn't get stopped once.

From what I've read, he was going back and fourth between Germany and Portugal quite regularly. He'd know the route and what to expect.

Would you take that chance if you were transporting a kidnapped child or a dead body, though?

buttercups88 · 28-07-2020 04:59PM

dark crystal wrote: »

Would you take that chance if you were transporting a kidnapped child or a dead body, though?

Well if u had kidnapped/murdered a child you aren't going to hang around the area while its crawling with police. Much less likely to get caught on the move then 2km from where she went missing from

dark crystal · 28-07-2020 05:09PM

buttercups88 wrote: »

Well if u had kidnapped/murdered a child you aren't going to hang around the area while its crawling with police. Much less likely to get caught on the move then 2km from where she went missing from

Sure, there's that, but he didn't know if there were going to be roadblocks on the way, given the situation. Like Day Lewin said, if he did have Madeleine in the van with him, it would have been much safer to have dumped her somewhere on the way, rather than keep the victim in the vehicle with him.

I just think it would have been too big a risk for him to have travelled with her all the way to Hanover. It's possible of course, just unlikely, imo. I mean, it was all over Sky News a few hours after it happened.

buttercups88 · 28-07-2020 05:18PM

dark crystal wrote: »

Sure, there's that, but he didn't know if there were going to be roadblocks on the way, given the situation. Like Day Lewin said, if he did have Madeleine in the van with him, it would have been much safer to have dumped her somewhere on the way, rather than keep the victim in the vehicle with him.

I just think it would have been too big a risk for him to have travelled with her all the way to Hanover. It's possible of course, just unlikely, imo. I mean, it was all over Sky News a few hours after it happened.

Well if he had been watching the mccanns and knew they're routine of checking every 30-45min he would have known he had at least that time before police arrived. Unlikely roadblocks would be set up until they had established she hadn't wandered out of apartment herself and was nearby. So that would have more than enough time to get out of PDL and as far away as possible.

Day Lewin · 28-07-2020 05:23PM

buttercups88 wrote: »

Well if he had been watching the mccanns and knew they're routine of checking every 30-45min he would have known he had at least that time before police arrived. Unlikely roadblocks would be set up until they had established she hadn't wandered out of apartment herself and was nearby. So that would have more than enough time to get out of PDL and as far away as possible.

Yes, but....this man was a drug dealer (in a small way to be sure, but...)

Whatever about explaining away a few deals of hash to a random cop or Customs officer, there's no explaining away a dead kids body!

It would have been an astonishing risk to take, given the hue and cry within 24 hours.

Flippyfloppy · 28-07-2020 05:34PM

buttercups88 wrote: »

Well if he had been watching the mccanns and knew they're routine of checking every 30-45min he would have known he had at least that time before police arrived. Unlikely roadblocks would be set up until they had established she hadn't wandered out of apartment herself and was nearby. So that would have more than enough time to get out of PDL and as far away as possible.

It's 1 hour and 45 minutes to the Spanish border. Most people probably didn't hear the news until the next day and was it really big news outside the UK at the start? Much like most of us never heard of the other children he is suspected of.

dark crystal · 28-07-2020 05:44PM

He's dropped his bid for early release on the same day the German police started searching the allotment:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8567713/Madeleine-McCann-investigators-search-German-allotment.html?ito=push-notification&ci=25327&si=13292332

splinter65 · 28-07-2020 06:17PM

dark crystal wrote: »

He's dropped his bid for early release on the same day the German police started searching the allotment:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8567713/Madeleine-McCann-investigators-search-German-allotment.html?ito=push-notification&ci=25327&si=13292332

Is that just a coincidence I wonder.

Day Lewin · 28-07-2020 06:20PM

dark crystal wrote: »

He's dropped his bid for early release on the same day the German police started searching the allotment:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8567713/Madeleine-McCann-investigators-search-German-allotment.html?ito=push-notification&ci=25327&si=13292332

Which sounds more like they expect to find drugs or something drug-related.
Not unexpected for this type of criminal, but wouldn't prove anything about the McCann case. Lets see what they actually find!

PS Old allotments could have had a mint of stuff buried in them over the years, not necessarily having much to do with anything current or criminal.
What's the betting on more dead dogs or cats, old tools, remains of bonfires, old mattresses, etc?

28-07-2020 06:21PM

Day Lewin wrote: »

Yes, but....this man was a drug dealer (in a small way to be sure, but...)

Whatever about explaining away a few deals of hash to a random cop or Customs officer, there's no explaining away a dead kids body!

It would have been an astonishing risk to take, given the hue and cry within 24 hours.

Where would he encounter customs?

dark crystal · 28-07-2020 06:25PM

splinter65 wrote: »

Is that just a coincidence I wonder.

Could be....

They have been spotted taking bags of stuff from the site, though. Who knows?

splinter65 · 28-07-2020 06:28PM

Day Lewin wrote: »

Which sounds more like they expect to find drugs or something drug-related.
Not unexpected for this type of criminal, but wouldn't prove anything about the McCann case. Lets see what they actually find!

PS Old allotments could have had a mint of stuff buried in them over the years, not necessarily having much to do with anything current or criminal.
What's the betting on more dead dogs or cats, old tools, remains of bonfires, old mattresses, etc?

No, the German police have made it clear that the search is directly related to the disappearance of Madeleine.

dark crystal · 28-07-2020 06:29PM

Day Lewin wrote: »

Which sounds more like they expect to find drugs or something drug-related.
Not unexpected for this type of criminal, but wouldn't prove anything about the McCann case. Lets see what they actually find!

PS Old allotments could have had a mint of stuff buried in them over the years, not necessarily having much to do with anything current or criminal.
What's the betting on more dead dogs or cats, old tools, remains of bonfires, old mattresses, etc?

Appears to be in connection with the McCann case, according to German prosecutors:

'I can confirm that the search is being carried out in connection with our investigations into the Maddie case,' said Julia Meyer from the prosecutor's office in nearby Braunschweig.

My guess is they're looking for more material similar to what they found in the old factory a few years back, not drugs.

Day Lewin · 28-07-2020 06:32PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Where would he encounter customs?

The EU borders would be open for EU citizens, of course.
But I think there are still actual borders and there could be non-EU-persons crossing them.
As far as I know, Douane officers can stop and search anyone at any time, if they have reason to believe a crime may have been committed. Like, a campervan and a high-profile abduction.
I might be wrong about the legal detail here (probably am!) but it would still have been a risky journey.

splinter65 · 28-07-2020 06:33PM

dark crystal wrote: »

Could be....

They have been spotted taking bags of stuff from the site, though. Who knows?

Who knows indeed. So painful and stressful for the McCann family though, I hope that they’re being kept in the loop in some way. Wanting so badly to know what happened to her and at the same time dreading the finality and the horror of the whole thing must be agonising.

28-07-2020 06:37PM

Day Lewin wrote: »

The EU borders would be open for EU citizens, of course.
But I think there are still actual borders and there could be non-EU-persons crossing them.
As far as I know, Douane officers can stop and search anyone at any time, if they have reason to believe a crime may have been committed. Like, a campervan and a high-profile abduction.
I might be wrong about the legal detail here (probably am!) but it would still have been a risky journey.

As i already said ive driven across Europe and the only way you know you have entered a different country is the sign saying welcome to Germany as you whizz past on the motorway.

There are no borders, no customs, no checkpoints.

And campervans on a continental motorway in Summer are ten a penny.

Spanish Eyes · 28-07-2020 06:44PM

Schengen Zone. Only citizens outside of it need to check in to the first Schengen country, then it's free movement after that. Germany and Portugal and all countries in between are Schengen.

dark crystal · 28-07-2020 06:50PM

Deleted User wrote: »

As i already said ive driven across Europe and the only way you know you have entered a different country is the sign saying welcome to Germany as you whizz past on the motorway.

There are no borders, no customs, no checkpoints.

And campervans on a continental motorway in Summer are ten a penny.

But you don't know what will happen on your 2800 km journey. Road accident, speeding stop, burst tyre, drink driving checkpoint etc. There could be any number of reasons he might have come in contact with police throughout that journey.

I just think transporting a child, dead or alive, would have been a huge risk to take for that length of journey.

buttercups88 · 28-07-2020 06:54PM

dark crystal wrote: »

But you don't know what will happen on your 2800 km journey. Road accident, speeding stop, burst tyre, drink driving checkpoint etc. There could be any number of reasons he might have come in contact with police throughout that journey.

I just think transporting a child, dead or alive, would have been a huge risk to take for that length of journey.

But not as much of a risk as keeping them 2km from where she was last seen.

Banana Republic. · 28-07-2020 07:18PM

dark crystal wrote: »

I think it more likely this is what they're searching for too, rather than a body. Logistically, it would be very difficult to transport a dead body that distance, given the (apologies) odour that would be present after a day or two. Praia de Luz is approximately 2,700 km from Hanover.

It's possible he may have drugged her while transporting her alive, but the chances he would be stopped at some stage on the journey through three different countries would have been too big a chance to take, especially given all the publicity surrounding the case.

I think they're probably looking for similar evidence to the haul they found at the old disused factory, i.e; usb sticks or photographic evidence. Perhaps some sick souvenir he may have kept, as sickos like him are wont to do.

Whatever the reason, like others have said, I hope something, anything, is found to help resolve this case and give her parents some closure at long last. How agonising it must be to constantly get your hopes up only to be led down another blind alley. They deserve some peace.

You’ve forgotten one big piece of the puzzle, the van that he said he could smuggle a child in a compartment under the van. If anything she was alive when he got to his place in Hanover cause to transport a dead body like you say would of given off way too much to risk. He’s probably too clever for that. I think by the way they speak it’s more then the USB as evidence that they’ve found.

dark crystal · 28-07-2020 07:54PM

Banana Republic. wrote: »

You’ve forgotten one big piece of the puzzle, the van that he said he could snuggle a child in a compartment under the van. If anything she was alive when he got to his place in Hanover cause to transport a dead body like you say would of given off way too much to risk. He’s probably too clever for that. I think by the way they speak it’s more then the USB as evidence that they’ve found.

I'm not saying it wasn't possible, just unlikely for that length of a journey, imo. Saying that, if there was a hidden compartment for drugs etc. somewhere in the camper van, it does make it more likely than just keeping her in the back or whatever.

God, even thinking about what that poor child (and maybe others) might have experienced. It's beyond heartbreaking.

Banana Republic. · 28-07-2020 07:56PM

dark crystal wrote: »

I'm not saying it wasn't possible, just unlikely for that length of a journey, imo. Saying that, if there was a hidden compartment for drugs etc. somewhere in the camper van, it does make it more likely than just keeping her in the back or whatever.

God, even thinking about what that poor child (and maybe others) might have experienced. It's beyond heartbreaking.

That’s the hardest part trying to figure it out then stopping yourself thinking of it. Only ever thought of her alive, hoping against hope.

buttercups88 · 28-07-2020 08:45PM

The sun has put together an article with a breakdown of all they key points relating to the disappearance and C.B

https://www.thesun.ie/news/5712744/madeleine-mccann-latest-news-hanover-live/

chooseusername · 28-07-2020 09:23PM

buttercups88 wrote: »

The sun has put together an article with a breakdown of all they key points relating to the disappearance and C.B

https://www.thesun.ie/news/5712744/madeleine-mccann-latest-news-hanover-live/

Quote:
CHRISTIAN B MADE 'SMOKING GUN' PHONE CALL TO 'FEMALE ACCOMPLICE' ON NIGHT MADDIE VANISHED
It is now suspected that a number that Christian B rang for half an hour the night of the McCann snatch could have been his then girlfriend’s – but there is no suggestion she knew he took Madeleine.

Is this a new phone-call come to light, or just lazy journalism?

Banana Republic. · 28-07-2020 09:45PM

chooseusername wrote: »

Quote:
CHRISTIAN B MADE 'SMOKING GUN' PHONE CALL TO 'FEMALE ACCOMPLICE' ON NIGHT MADDIE VANISHED
It is now suspected that a number that Christian B rang for half an hour the night of the McCann snatch could have been his then girlfriend’s – but there is no suggestion she knew he took Madeleine.

Is this a new phone-call come to light, or just lazy journalism?

Same phone call they just think it’s his Ex he was on the phone to (his then gf) As is thought it was an opportunistic abduction so she wouldn’t of known anything about it at the time. The phone call could of been a tip off for the Mc Canns apt to rob while they were out to dinner not knowing he could abduct a child while doing it or she could of just called him at the time and now that’s ended up placing him there out of pure accident.

chooseusername · 28-07-2020 09:48PM

Oh, I thought it was an incoming call to his phone.

Montageofhell · 28-07-2020 09:49PM

Oh no, this is so sad. The worst nightmare if it turns out to be true. Poor Madeleine, think what she'd be going through at the end. Taken by this monster, trapped and her parents not there to help her. It's too distressing to think about.

Day Lewin · 28-07-2020 09:58PM

Nothing is proved.

The police have to search the ground that they are digging in Germany, but they don't know what they will find - if anything.

We still don't know what happened to little Madeleine.

Madeleine McCann

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