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FF/FG/Green Next Government

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  • #5252
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    You'd want to switch off boards and turn on the radio or buy a paper. The general consensus over the past few days including this morning is that this is a poor ill judged decision. And that position has been supported in print and on air by TDs from the three govt parties.
    And they call Shinners a cult.

    I haven’t been on boards in days....so go again


  • #5253
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    There's green list countries to go to, but the people still not back at work, eh barstaff and those involved in the hospitality sector, they can't go.
    Leave aside those on welfare even.

    I think your digging a hole here. You must be living under a rock if you are trying to deny people had to take holidays during lockdown in the private sector even if they could go nowhere. This was across all industries.

    Are you saying this didn’t happen?


  • #5254
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    Yeah, I'm spouting the usual shinner propaganda. ;)

    Typical. Shinner pretending not to be a shinner, sure you're not :)
    It's terrible annoying when you try comment on something and people come back with off topic shinner ****e isn't it?
    The three amigos are giving the raise back.
    Great.


  • #5255
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Total mess about the junior ministerial pay, which could have been avoided if they just didn't do the increase!

    That's why they are in government, the goodies.


  • #5256
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,088 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    And now they've done another U-turn eh...

    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0728/1156041-super-junior-pay-rises/
    RT&#201 wrote:
    The three "super junior" ministers sitting at the Cabinet table will share €32,000 worth of allowances between them - rather than getting a €16,000 allowance each.

    The Government has announced that Jack Chambers, Hildegarde Naughton and Pippa Hackett "have decided to waive and gift back to the State the increased allocation which was approved by the Dáil last week".

    But a spokesperson confirmed to RTÉ News that this includes the third allowance of €16,000 that was voted on in the Dáil on Friday.

    The waiver does not include the allowances for two super juniors, which had been allowed for in earlier legislation brought in by a previous government.


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  • #5257
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    blanch152 wrote: »
    They were in before you.



    To be honest, there is some load of sh!te coming from people who oppose the government. There hasn't been a single positive idea from the opposition who have been contradicting themselves completely.

    One minute they are calling for the country to be shut off from the outside world like New Zealand, the next they are giving out about social welfare recipients being prevented from going on holidays while the workforce are back at work having been forced to take their annual leave during the lockdown.

    Blanch you completely misrepresented a post of mine ranting about things I never said regarding people on the dole and with covid payments taking vacations. You went on a rant about the left too.
    I pointed out that nonsense and you ignored it toddling off to the next self righteous used tissue of fantasy so forgive me if I can't take you at all serious.
    For your viewing pleasure: here

    They gave themselves a hike then a cut, then are giving back one of the hikes.
    Called out by the public despite spin merchants and apologists running defense for them.


  • #5258
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,240 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Lot of anger here today, think I’ll stay away.

    The bullhorn brigade are hammering hard, in full negativity mode,aided and abetted by the media.


  • #5259
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    Brendan Bendar wrote: »
    Lot of anger here today, think I’ll stay away.

    The bullhorn brigade are hammering hard, in full negativity mode,aided and abetted by the media.

    Well is it any reason to be fair.

    Every week its a new scandal.

    Least they get to go on holdiay now, Some craic when it starts coming out TD's are going abroad on their holidays


  • #5260
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Total mess about the junior ministerial pay, which could have been avoided if they just didn't do the increase!

    Absolutely priceless stuff from FFG and the Greens. All over the shop to say the least.

    I guess it's good to see them bowing to public pressure but in reality the public wont remember what they actually did except that they were talking about allowances a lot. The optics and the timing are terrible.

    I think this government will be the most entertaining yet!


  • #5261
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    Absolutely priceless stuff from FFG and the Greens. All over the shop to say the least.

    I guess it's good to see them bowing to public pressure but in reality the public wont remember what they actually did except that they were talking about allowances a lot. The optics and the timing are terrible.

    I think this government will be the most entertaining yet!

    It will be forgotten in a week....the election will be in 5 years and nobody will care :-) but keep telling yourself they will


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  • #5262
    gifted
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,195 ✭✭✭gifted


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    It will be forgotten in a week....the election will be in 5 years and nobody will care :-) but keep telling yourself they will

    It won't be 5 years.


  • #5263
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    It will be forgotten in a week....the election will be in 5 years and nobody will care :-) but keep telling yourself they will

    5 years yeah :D

    So far so good.

    It will be 2-3 entertaining years at most. Hopefully FF cease to exist after that.


  • #5264
    gifted
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,195 ✭✭✭gifted


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    5 years yeah :D

    So far so good.

    It will be 2-3 entertaining years at most. Hopefully FF cease to exist after that.

    It'll be when this virus ****e is sorted out first....ye all saw how easy it was to bring Cowen down in the first few days, can you imagine what else is waiting in the long grass.........opposition won't bring down the government until they know they have a clear road ahead.


  • #5265
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    5 years yeah :D

    So far so good.

    It will be 2-3 entertaining years at most. Hopefully FF cease to exist after that.

    Would love to see an ongoing FF/FG partnership as they try hold on to the glory days.
    All they have politically speaking is waffle. Now partnered, what does FF stand for the FG doesn't? They are like Eric and Don jnr. Trump.


  • #5266
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Brendan Bendar wrote: »
    Lot of anger here today, think I’ll stay away.

    The bullhorn brigade are hammering hard, in full negativity mode,aided and abetted by the media.

    Ahh it’s new week, same story. Next week someone will do a poo and not flush and you will have the same “uproar” on here. Will someone not think of the children brigade.

    Not a single decent alternative but plenty of complaining, you would think after months of it now they would at least take 1 day off, but 24 x 7 coverage has to maintained.....


  • #5267
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    gifted wrote: »
    It'll be when this virus ****e is sorted out first....ye all saw how easy it was to bring Cowen down in the first few days, can you imagine what else is waiting in the long grass.........opposition won't bring down the government until they know they have a clear road ahead.

    Quango in the works, guaranteed.


  • #5268
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    5 years yeah :D

    So far so good.

    It will be 2-3 entertaining years at most. Hopefully FF cease to exist after that.

    Yes because that will happen, if it didn’t happen after the crash I hate to tell you it won’t happen in the future


  • #5269
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    gifted wrote: »
    It'll be when this virus ****e is sorted out first....ye all saw how easy it was to bring Cowen down in the first few days, can you imagine what else is waiting in the long grass.........opposition won't bring down the government until they know they have a clear road ahead.

    Cowan down? He was back at work and doing his job!!!

    What opposition?


  • #5270
    mattser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,427 ✭✭✭mattser


    gifted wrote: »
    It'll be when this virus ****e is sorted out first....ye all saw how easy it was to bring Cowen down in the first few days, can you imagine what else is waiting in the long grass.........opposition won't bring down the government until they know they have a clear road ahead.

    Not much point having a clear road ahead, when all you're capable of is sitting on the ditch with your hurl.


  • #5271
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    mattser wrote: »
    Not much point having a clear road ahead, when all you're capable of is sitting on the ditch with your hurl.

    They, (PBP/SF/SD) did a great civic service calling out the 16,000 pay hikes.
    Also called out allowing travel during a pandemic then 'advising' you don't.


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  • #5272
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Bowie wrote: »
    They, (PBP/SF/SD) did a great civic service calling out the 16,000 pay hikes.
    Also called out allowing travel during a pandemic then 'advising' you don't.

    Hahahahaha

    Is that what you call a great job? Have one of them clowns come up with an alternative or just usual complaining about what everyone else is doing


  • #5273
    christy c
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,256 ✭✭✭christy c


    Bowie wrote: »
    They, (PBP/SF/SD) did a great civic service calling out the 16,000 pay hikes.
    Also called out allowing travel during a pandemic then 'advising' you don't.

    Some of them also made complete idiots of themselves saying we should have spent Apple's money.

    Thankfully they're sitting in the ditch, even though the current government seem to have the Benny Hill theme playing on repeat.


  • #5274
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Bowie wrote: »
    Blanch you completely misrepresented a post of mine ranting about things I never said regarding people on the dole and with covid payments taking vacations. You went on a rant about the left too.
    I pointed out that nonsense and you ignored it toddling off to the next self righteous used tissue of fantasy so forgive me if I can't take you at all serious.
    For your viewing pleasure: here

    They gave themselves a hike then a cut, then are giving back one of the hikes.
    Called out by the public despite spin merchants and apologists running defense for them.


    Unfortunately, I don't follow all of your posts, it would make me dizzy to keep up with it, so I missed your magnificent rebuttal complete with links to relevant official sources. Sorry about that.

    As I said, wouldn't take long before someone would find fault with a 10% pay cut. Some people won't be happy until TDs are living hand to mouth on the streets.


  • #5275
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,752 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Unfortunately, I don't follow all of your posts, it would make me dizzy to keep up with it, so I missed your magnificent rebuttal complete with links to relevant official sources. Sorry about that.

    As I said, wouldn't take long before someone would find fault with a 10% pay cut. Some people won't be happy until TDs are living hand to mouth on the streets.

    Depends on what party, some need to be making no money, others it doesn’t really matter what they do

    The old same rule applies to all doesn’t seem to apply for some posters on heree


  • #5276
    Truthvader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Truthvader


    Bowie wrote: »
    Would love to see an ongoing FF/FG partnership as they try hold on to the glory days.
    All they have politically speaking is waffle. Now partnered, what does FF stand for the FG doesn't? They are like Eric and Don jnr. Trump.

    Well, not all they have actually.

    The other relevant factor is the dysfunctional alternative. What should be a left wing alternative is scattered amongst the criminal/moron Sinn Fein populist collective, the mad mad world of Boyd Barrett & Co plus a couple of marginalsed decent people in whats left of labour and a few others. Until a realistic left wing alternative presents itself its hard to see what can go wrong for Ff/FG


  • #5277
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Unfortunately, I don't follow all of your posts, it would make me dizzy to keep up with it, so I missed your magnificent rebuttal complete with links to relevant official sources. Sorry about that.

    As I said, wouldn't take long before someone would find fault with a 10% pay cut. Some people won't be happy until TDs are living hand to mouth on the streets.

    I'm speaking on the one you responded to.
    You made up some things and went off on one.
    I literally said I wouldn't support allowing them go on holiday and you went at me for defending them for going on holiday.
    I suppose it's easier to make up your own stuff and then get all shouty.

    I don't find fault with the cut. By the way will you be fighting for them to reverse that or ensure Pippa gets her top up? Or do you just nod along with everything they do?
    I think a spell living hand to mouth would do them a world of good.


  • #5278
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Truthvader wrote: »
    Well, not all they have actually.

    The other relevant factor is the dysfunctional alternative. What should be a left wing alternative is scattered amongst the criminal/moron Sinn Fein populist collective, the mad mad world of Boyd Barrett & Co plus a couple of marginalsed decent people in whats left of labour and a few others. Until a realistic left wing alternative presents itself its hard to see what can go wrong for Ff/FG

    How long do you have?

    We'll have a quango before the years out.


  • #5279
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Hahahahaha

    Is that what you call a great job? Have one of them clowns come up with an alternative or just usual complaining about what everyone else is doing

    Did opposition tds also take a pay cut?


  • #5280
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,240 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Truthvader wrote: »
    Well, not all they have actually.

    The other relevant factor is the dysfunctional alternative. What should be a left wing alternative is scattered amongst the criminal/moron Sinn Fein populist collective, the mad mad world of Boyd Barrett & Co plus a couple of marginalsed decent people in whats left of labour and a few others. Until a realistic left wing alternative presents itself its hard to see what can go wrong for Ff/FG

    As long as those clowns are the only alternative, it’s their only hope of survival.

    But...... they need to pull themselves together fast......very fast.


    Am I confident they will do it..........not very.

    Nobody prepared to step up to the plate...... not a viable team

    This, in my opinion, won’t work.


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  • #5281
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Truthvader wrote: »
    Well, not all they have actually.

    The other relevant factor is the dysfunctional alternative. What should be a left wing alternative is scattered amongst the criminal/moron Sinn Fein populist collective, the mad mad world of Boyd Barrett & Co plus a couple of marginalsed decent people in whats left of labour and a few others. Until a realistic left wing alternative presents itself its hard to see what can go wrong for Ff/FG

    Pretty scathing analysis of the opposition but impossible to find fault with it.

    The only things you left out were their complete lack of imaginative alternative policies (look at where spend the Apple money would have got them) and their nasty personalities.


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