The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V3

The_Honeybadger · 25-07-2020 08:47PM

phatkev wrote: »

Dont know about them necessarily being late round pick though, theres a lot of competition in the NFC

Would not expect any of those picks to be in the top half of the round but yeah, they are in a tough Conference and Division without a doubt

adrian522 · 25-07-2020 08:58PM

F**k sake, the rest of the NFC west keeps trading for these superstars, Adams, Hopkins, Ramsey.

Foxtrol · 26-07-2020 02:19PM

adrian522 wrote: »

F**k sake, the rest of the NFC west keeps trading for these superstars, Adams, Hopkins, Ramsey.

Adams is a great player and I'd much prefer if he hadn't arrived to the NFCW but that cost is crazy for a safety, especially when he wants to be the top paid player ever in that position, while the cap is likely to be shrinking. The best argument I've seen is that draft picks aren't guaranteed (especially with the weird year ahead) and the Seahawks have been very poor at picking in the 1st round recently, which I see more as being an indictment on the front office than a reason to pay out so much. I think this hurts the Seahawks beyond the short term more than it'll help.

I'm happily taking the deal we got for Trent Williams (3rd & 5th) over that deal for Adams.

Foxtrol · 27-07-2020 02:36PM

MLB are giving a taste of the problems the NFL will face trying to run the league this year. Despite having multiple players test positive the Marlins still played a game last night and now their opponents don't know what to do regarding their next game against another team tonight.

NFL obviously doesnt have as frequent game but NFL players are in closer contact than MLB.

https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1287736207120781316?s=20

https://twitter.com/lindseyadler/status/1287741540413181956?s=20

jack presley · 27-07-2020 02:38PM

Tonight's Marlins/Orioles game is now off, as is the Phillies/Yankees because the Phillies would have been in proximity of the Marlins over the weekend.

And this is only the 1st weekend of games.

Realt Dearg Sec · 27-07-2020 02:47PM

Yeah this was inevitable. America decided that they wanted to open the economy rather than contain the virus, not facing the obvious fact that an uncontained virus will shut down the economy for much longer by itself. Shortsightedness and greed dictating policy, I know I'm as shocked as you are. As Hunter Thompson said, "football season is over".

Foxtrol · 27-07-2020 02:58PM

I'm interested in seeing whether the NBA make it through thanks to their 'bubble'. Seems like the most logical way to get through a season.

Obviously that approach is much more difficult with the size of the NFL squads and coaches etc. I think it is shortsightedness from the owners and players that they didn't go further down that route, at least rule it out logistically or bring it to a vote so one/both sides are forced to say they were against it.

The most ridiculous part is that many NFL teams are still working out ways to have fans in their stadiums for games. They seem completely blind to the scale of the problem and think that if you ignore it things will end up fine, which unsurprisingly aligns very closely with the broader US approach to the virus.

cosatron · 27-07-2020 02:59PM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Yeah this was inevitable. America decided that they wanted to open the economy rather than contain the virus, not facing the obvious fact that an uncontained virus will shut down the economy for much longer by itself. Shortsightedness and greed dictating policy, I know I'm as shocked as you are. As Hunter Thompson said, "football season is over".

are you still in dallas, it must be crazy out there

el Fenomeno · 27-07-2020 03:00PM

That's another nail in the coffin for this season I reckon.

jack presley · 27-07-2020 03:06PM

The craziest thing, which I mentioned in the baseball thread is that after the Marlins had 3 players test positive, they had a team meeting before yesterday's game to decide whether to play or not. As soon as the there were positives, the game should have been cancelled and the players isolated. Not have a bloody team meeting taking place. Whoever allowed that to happen needs to be fired asap.

Maybe if the NFL are are more strict on the rules and police it better, they might have a chance of succeeding but it's not looking good.

Itssoeasy · 27-07-2020 03:07PM

The MLB situation is what I feared and may influence how the NFL goes forward. NFL players are in closer contact with each other for longer times overall that baseball players are.

Shedite27 · 27-07-2020 03:10PM

Baseball is more impacted, given they play every day. An NFL team could get a outbreak, miss one week and be back the following week.

I think the biggest problem is what the threshold for calling off a game is. If Chiefs have a cornerback infected, does the game get called off? What about the whole secondary infected? What if it's only one player but that play is Mahomes.

I reckon there'll definitely be a few games missed, and probably the knock on of a "catchup week" or two between regular season and playoffs.

Itssoeasy · 27-07-2020 03:11PM

jack presley wrote: »

The craziest thing, which I mentioned in the baseball thread is that after the Marlins had 3 players test positive, they had a team meeting before yesterday's game to decide whether to play or not. As soon as the there were positives, the game should have been cancelled and the players isolated. Not have a bloody team meeting taking place. Whoever allowed that to happen needs to be fired asap.

Maybe if the NFL are are more strict on the rules and police it better, they might have a chance of succeeding but it's not looking good.

Yeah might isn't words you want to hear jack. I mean it's the right word just you don't like to use them.

Also, whoever in management of the marlins knew of the positive cases and saw nothing wrong with playing a game should be fired as you say. Given the reports about the marlins and them playing even though they knew of three positive cases, if I was the other team I'd be seriously pissed off.

Realt Dearg Sec · 27-07-2020 04:10PM

cosatron wrote: »

are you still in dallas, it must be crazy out there

Well I'm in Denton which is in the far north of Dallas-Fort Worth, and it is less serious here (as is typical because we are not in a big city), but what is interesting to me is that the governor of Texas rushed to reopen for economic reasons, which is understandable in one way, but the reaction showed that they had forgotten something important: that economic recovery only happens if people feel safe doing it. The bars reopened but really nobody went to them, because the perception was that it's not safe. Now they're closed again anyway, but the point was clear, that people won't just go and spend money because you've ordered that they should do so and you want them to. The irony of course is that if they stayed the course, were careful about opening, etc. the economic recovery would be under way by now. My sense is that for all the cartoon images of Texans as anti-mask buffoons screaming about their freedom, the vast majority DONT support fast reopening and aren't willing to risk their health just to get back to normal. And ultimately that will be true for football too. However crazy they are about football here, they won't pack the stadium just because Jerry would like them to give him their money.

Itssoeasy · 27-07-2020 10:24PM

I was watching the NFL network and they were talking about the testing which seems very stringent but there's also a big degree of player personal responsibility when they are away from the facility. That worries me a bit. Also, one owner said to Judy bustista that the number of positive tests will likely be high during the first week.

Foxtrol · 27-07-2020 10:33PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I was watching the NFL network and they were talking about the testing which seems very stringent but there's also a big degree of player personal responsibility when they are away from the facility. That worries me a bit. Also, one owner said to Judy bustista that the number of positive tests will likely be high during the first week.

Teams can put players on the non-football injury list if they are found to have been involved in 'high risk' activities, meaning they don't get any salary while they're out.

While not in a bubble, it doesn't really matter how safe a player is being, all they need is one of their kids or their wife/girlfriend to bring it into the house and they're out.

A few players have started coming out with them opting out of the season. None really big names yet.

el Fenomeno · 28-07-2020 07:58AM

As teams make their cuts to try get to 80 players - if you were an undrafted rookie and you didn't fancy your chances of making the riser, could you just take advantage of the "opt out" and guarantee a nice salary for the year?

brinty · 28-07-2020 09:43AM

Saw overnight the Seahawks aren't signing Adams to a contest extension in 2020. Are they nuts??

Giving up a 21 & 22 first and the guy might not be there in 22...

What fool is running the Seahawks org

The_Honeybadger · 28-07-2020 11:51AM

brinty wrote: »

Saw overnight the Seahawks aren't signing Adams to a contest extension in 2020. Are they nuts??

Giving up a 21 & 22 first and the guy might not be there in 22...

What fool is running the Seahawks org

Not sure what their cap situation is but I would have presumed he’d be getting an extension straight away. They may have an agreement in principle with him to wait until after the season. They gave him under control for two more years after 2020 in any case if you include a franchise tag year.

I see the player exodus has started, Cannon and Hightower from the Pats have opted out for the season. You’d have to think that there will be many more across the league as camp approaches

Foxtrol · 28-07-2020 01:14PM

The_Honeybadger wrote: »

Not sure what their cap situation is but I would have presumed he’d be getting an extension straight away. They may have an agreement in principle with him to wait until after the season. They gave him under control for two more years after 2020 in any case if you include a franchise tag year.

I see the player exodus has started, Cannon and Hightower from the Pats have opted out for the season. You’d have to think that there will be many more across the league as camp approaches

Players have until August 3rd to opt out so they'll be coming in pretty fast over the next few days.

Will be interesting to see if certain teams will have more than others, teams from hot spot areas, teams where players have seen a lot of success, teams where one of their leaders opts out.

brinty · 28-07-2020 01:28PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Players have until August 3rd to opt out so they'll be coming in pretty fast over the next few days.

Will be interesting to see if certain teams will have more than others, teams from hot spot areas, teams where players have seen a lot of success, teams where one of their leaders opts out.

In big D i heard talk of Demarcus Lawrence not turning up for training camp as his partner was expecting but he's coming in.

Maurice Canady has opted out from our squad but was unlikely to make the 55 man roster anyways.

The_Honeybadger · 28-07-2020 01:54PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Players have until August 3rd to opt out so they'll be coming in pretty fast over the next few days.

Will be interesting to see if certain teams will have more than others, teams from hot spot areas, teams where players have seen a lot of success, teams where one of their leaders opts out.

Didn’t realise that deadline was there, thanks.

Always Be Closing · 29-07-2020 10:07PM

Damien Williams opts out

Edwards-Hilaire just got a major bump

Anyone in an Andy Reid offense is worth a pick

From a football perspective we were RBBC anyways last year so Damo is no great loss even though he was my SB MVP

Itssoeasy · 29-07-2020 10:11PM

The list of players opting out is growing and I honestly don't blame them. I'm sure we made hard choices in Ireland during lockdown. I've barely seen my grandmother since march and at a distance when I have but to read the comments on social media is it any wonder the USA is in the mess it's in.

Christy42 · 29-07-2020 10:18PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

The list of players opting out is growing and I honestly don't blame them. I'm sure we made hard choices in Ireland during lockdown. I've barely seen my grandmother since march and at a distance when I have but to read the comments on social media is it any wonder the USA is in the mess it's in.

Indeed. I don't blame any player and any that I have seen tend to have other reasons as well such as new borns/family illnesses etc.

But sure this is a country where an elected representative decided to tell his staffers in person that he had coronavirus. This is all seen as political if they decide to protect their families.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 30-07-2020 08:44AM

It's becoming more and more of a null/void season with the opt-outs to date and likely more on the way. The NFL may go ahead with the season, but it's feeling like it'll always carry an asterisk at this point.
Rapport said there isn't a set deadline to opt out yet as the the league’s COVID-19 protocols aren't finalized by both the NFL and NFLPA. So if that was done today, the deadline is Aug 6th at the earliest.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero · 30-07-2020 10:11AM

On another note the top 100 was released last night. Not exactly breaking news but interesting to see how the votes are tallied up anyway. No surprise that Lamar topped the list, was a bit surprised to see Russ at #2, however he did have a phenomenol season. Aaron Donald rounded out the top 3 with DOPY Gilmore down at 9th. Nice to see McCaffrey at 6th too after a historic season.

Foxtrol · 30-07-2020 01:54PM

Christy42 wrote: »

Indeed. I don't blame any player and any that I have seen tend to have other reasons as well such as new borns/family illnesses etc.

It is a good opportunity to show what absolute scum some fans are though. A group were giving Marquise Goodwin abuse for opting out due to having a newborn, this despite how his family had to deal with 3 miscarriages over the last few years*.

*not taking a shot at Eagles fans as from what I've seen nearly every player that was likely to make a team has dealt with similar abuse

Foxtrol · 30-07-2020 02:12PM

munstermagic11 wrote: »

It's becoming more and more of a null/void season with the opt-outs to date and likely more on the way. The NFL may go ahead with the season, but it's feeling like it'll always carry an asterisk at this point.

The opt outs have been pretty minor so far. Plenty of teams see many more injuries during or even prior to camp than the number of players opting out so far and no asterisk is ever put on those seasons for the eventual winners.

I still don't think they'll make it through the season but if they do it without major disruption very few fans will put any kind of asterisk on it a few years from now. Those that think that way will be the same tiny minority that have mental asterisks on winners that had any notable favourable calls during the play-offs.

Rapport said there isn't a set deadline to opt out yet as the the league’s COVID-19 protocols aren't finalized by both the NFL and NFLPA. So if that was done today, the deadline is Aug 6th at the earliest.

Technically yes but if a player hasn't opted out at this point they have already shown up to camp. I might be wrong but I don't see too many players running the risk of showing up for the first few days and opting out later (aside from maybe a very high % of the tests coming back positive and scaring them, which there is no evidence of at this point)

Oat23 · 30-07-2020 08:30PM

Every few hours I log onto NFL twitter hoping to read that Aaron Rodgers has opted out just to spite the Packers.

So far I've been disappointed but there's still time. It would be hilarious.

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