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Geuze · 27-07-2020 11:49PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

All minister are to take a 10% pay cut

I presume its the ministerial allowance that is to be cut by 10%, not their TD salary?

howiya · 27-07-2020 11:55PM

Geuze wrote: »

I presume its the ministerial allowance that is to be cut by 10%, not their TD salary?

Salary figures contained here

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/government-ministers-to-take-10-pay-cut-taoiseach-says-1.4314818

James Brown · 28-07-2020 12:15AM

blanch152 wrote: »

Was wondering how posters were goi g to squeeze in criticism of the government after tonight’s announcement of a 10% pay cut.

Some people won’t be happy no matter what.

Some people will constantly polish a turd.

BringBackMick · 28-07-2020 12:24AM

I think it is safe to say FF and the Greens have added zero to the government and only made things worse by their indecision, dithering and internal conflicts.

ronivek · 28-07-2020 01:22AM

Geuze wrote: »

I presume its the ministerial allowance that is to be cut by 10%, not their TD salary?

I would have thought it would have to be 10% on their gross total but who knows. No doubt the usual crowd will find something to complain about irrespective of how it's applied.

Edgware · 28-07-2020 06:29AM

BringBackMick wrote: »

I think it is safe to say FF and the Greens have added zero to the government and only made things worse by their indecision, dithering and internal conflicts.

To leave them out would mean FG would be on 35 seats. Sinn Fein " the change party" are the only ones who think that is a majority. Probably gets Violet to do the sums. She's good at that

Bishop of hope · 28-07-2020 06:32AM

ronivek wrote: »

I would have thought it would have to be 10% on their gross total but who knows. No doubt the usual crowd will find something to complain about irrespective of how it's applied.

Go back and read howiya link to the Irish Times, its only a few posts back, it's because of outside pressure and because of unease by their own TD's about the stupid rise they granted.
Unrest in their own parties is probably the main reason.
When you make a good decision for the right reason, good.
When you make the right decision for the wrong reason, not so good,
When you make the right decision after being forced, bad and weak.

Shefwedfan · 28-07-2020 06:37AM

So 10% reduction back dated, how have we found fault with that?

Shefwedfan · 28-07-2020 06:38AM

blanch152 wrote: »

Was wondering how posters were goi g to squeeze in criticism of the government after tonight’s announcement of a 10% pay cut.

Some people won’t be happy no matter what.

It’s the usuals, I was wondering what rubbish people would come up with

Shefwedfan · 28-07-2020 06:44AM

McMurphy wrote: »

Brilliant.

https://twitter.com/MaryLouMcDonald/status/1287449646567239688?s=19

Brilliant ? Really?

I know she plays it her supporters but does she really think they are that stupid they don’t understand?

Shefwedfan · 28-07-2020 06:45AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Go back and read howiya link to the Irish Times, its only a few posts back, it's because of outside pressure and because of unease by their own TD's about the stupid rise they granted.
Unrest in their own parties is probably the main reason.
When you make a good decision for the right reason, good.
When you make the right decision for the wrong reason, not so good,
When you make the right decision after being forced, bad and weak.

So you are saying now a government should never make any changes becaus it will show they are weak?

Bishop of hope · 28-07-2020 06:51AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So you are saying now a government should never make any changes becaus it will show they are weak?

This decision was weak, yes. They should never have made the super junior pay rise.
This is a decision made on the basis of the can of worms they opened up and what they are probably going to still face, public sector pay rises and equalisation unrest.
And even after all that they're still better off than the last govt.
. https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/phantom-pay-cut-new-taoiseach-and-cabinet-will-earn-more-than-predecessors-despite-10pc-wage-reduction-39403297.html

Shefwedfan · 28-07-2020 07:25AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

This decision was weak, yes. They should never have made the super junior pay rise.
This is a decision made on the basis of the can of worms they opened up and what they are probably going to still face, public sector pay rises and equalisation unrest.
And even after all that they're still better off than the last govt.
. https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/phantom-pay-cut-new-taoiseach-and-cabinet-will-earn-more-than-predecessors-despite-10pc-wage-reduction-39403297.html

How is it weak? When was the last pay reduction in the Dail?

It’s a huge decision and not one made easy I bet. Especially with the initial problem. This decision had to have support of a huge majority of Ff/FG/Greens

Sorry but no idea how anyone could see this as weak unless they are spouting the usuals SF propaganda that’s says everything is bad unless it comes from SF

Bishop of hope · 28-07-2020 07:28AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

How is it weak? When was the last pay reduction in the Dail?

It’s a huge decision and not one made easy I bet. Especially with the initial problem. This decision had to have support of a huge majority of Ff/FG/Greens

Sorry but no idea how anyone could see this as weak unless they are spouting the usuals SF propaganda that’s says everything is bad unless it comes from SF

Yeah, I'm spouting the usual shinner propaganda.

Shefwedfan · 28-07-2020 07:30AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Yeah, I'm spouting the usual shinner propaganda.

Well any other reason why you think the politician taking a pay cut is bad?

Fann Linn · 28-07-2020 07:36AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

How is it weak? When was the last pay reduction in the Dail?

It’s a huge decision and not one made easy I bet. Especially with the initial problem. This decision had to have support of a huge majority of Ff/FG/Greens

Sorry but no idea how anyone could see this as weak unless they are spouting the usuals SF propaganda that’s says everything is bad unless it comes from SF

You'd want to switch off boards and turn on the radio or buy a paper. The general consensus over the past few days including this morning is that this is a poor ill judged decision. And that position has been supported in print and on air by TDs from the three govt parties.
And they call Shinners a cult.

Bishop of hope · 28-07-2020 07:38AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Well any other reason why you think the politician taking a pay cut is bad?

It's good they done it, but it's a uturn and it's because of unrest with their first decision to grant payrises.
It shows that they are capable of changing their minds which is good.
But optically it's bad.
Why didn't they announce it last week before they granted the payrise?

ExMachina1000 · 28-07-2020 08:09AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Well any other reason why you think the politician taking a pay cut is bad?

Even with the pay cut they are over 1k each better off than the last government.

Tge 10% is obviously only temporary too

blanch152 · 28-07-2020 08:56AM

ronivek wrote: »

I would have thought it would have to be 10% on their gross total but who knows. No doubt the usual crowd will find something to complain about irrespective of how it's applied.

They were in before you.

Bowie wrote: »

Some people will constantly polish a turd.

To be honest, there is some load of sh!te coming from people who oppose the government. There hasn't been a single positive idea from the opposition who have been contradicting themselves completely.

One minute they are calling for the country to be shut off from the outside world like New Zealand, the next they are giving out about social welfare recipients being prevented from going on holidays while the workforce are back at work having been forced to take their annual leave during the lockdown.

Scoundrel · 28-07-2020 09:03AM

Martin must think people are stupid he says the 10% pay cut was agreed weeks ago yet they decided to give a 16k payrise to nobody juniors in the meantime trying to pretend this cut has nothing to do with the 16k payrise is hilarious. If Martin lasts 2 budgets i'll be very surprised.

Bishop of hope · 28-07-2020 09:20AM

blanch152 wrote: »

They were in before you.

To be honest, there is some load of sh!te coming from people who oppose the government. There hasn't been a single positive idea from the opposition who have been contradicting themselves completely.

One minute they are calling for the country to be shut off from the outside world like New Zealand, the next they are giving out about social welfare recipients being prevented from going on holidays while the workforce are back at work having been forced to take their annual leave during the lockdown.

Who are they, I know quite a few on covid payment and I haven't heard of anyone forced to take annual leave during lockdown.
That's actually illegal I think.

blanch152 · 28-07-2020 09:33AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Who are they, I know quite a few on covid payment and I haven't heard of anyone forced to take annual leave during lockdown.
That's actually illegal I think.

Dublin Bus drivers for a start were taking a day a week during the lockdown, they were not the only ones, gardai and firemen had to take leave.

Many public servants have been told to take their annual leave as originally planned so have been on leave in June and July, had to sit at home, don't have leave left etc., so no chance of a holiday this year for them, but the poor lads sitting on their arse should be allowed go to Ibiza to party all week.

Those who weren't let go in private sector have also been told to take their leave. It is endemic. That is why the issue of social welfare recipients going on holidays is getting such airtime from the opposition. The workers can't go, but they are taking up the fight on behalf of the entitled. It will rebound fast on the likes of PBP.

Bishop of hope · 28-07-2020 09:44AM

blanch152 wrote: »

Dublin Bus drivers for a start were taking a day a week during the lockdown, they were not the only ones, gardai and firemen had to take leave.

Many public servants have been told to take their annual leave as originally planned so have been on leave in June and July, had to sit at home, don't have leave left etc., so no chance of a holiday this year for them, but the poor lads sitting on their arse should be allowed go to Ibiza to party all week.

Those who weren't let go in private sector have also been told to take their leave. It is endemic. That is why the issue of social welfare recipients going on holidays is getting such airtime from the opposition. The workers can't go, but they are taking up the fight on behalf of the entitled. It will rebound fast on the likes of PBP.

So basically anyone still getting paid.
Anyone still working and getting paid can go, it's up to themselves.
My wife works in the private sector, was off and got her payment, she is back at work now and we are heading for kerry next week as part of her annual leave, Holiday pay for 2 weeks as usual.

titan18 · 28-07-2020 09:49AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Who are they, I know quite a few on covid payment and I haven't heard of anyone forced to take annual leave during lockdown.
That's actually illegal I think.

Nope. Employer can tell you to take holidays whenever they want in reality. Most companies have had to force annual leave to be taken (place I work for included) as otherwise you'd have everyone looking to take time off towards the end of the year or carrying over loads of days off

Floppybits · 28-07-2020 10:02AM

titan18 wrote: »

Nope. Employer can tell you to take holidays whenever they want in reality. Most companies have had to force annual leave to be taken (place I work for included) as otherwise you'd have everyone looking to take time off towards the end of the year or carrying over loads of days off

I know most compnaies where people are working from home or still working were asked by their employers to take annual leave during the lockdown. Anyone who had booked annual leave still had to take it. As is said above it had to be done to stop people canceling or storing annual leave till lockdown was over and then everyone looking for the time off at the one time.

Scoundrel · 28-07-2020 10:09AM

Asked if the change to the PUP rules which mean it is stopped for those travelling abroad on holidays was notified to Cabinet, Minister for Education @NormaFoleyTD1 tells @MorningIreland "No, I'm not aware of it having been brought to Cabinet." | https://t.co/V1s4ZNtdhd https://t.co/pQUlDBWQrr

Leo ruling by decree now?

blanch152 · 28-07-2020 10:33AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

So basically anyone still getting paid.
Anyone still working and getting paid can go, it's up to themselves.
My wife works in the private sector, was off and got her payment, she is back at work now and we are heading for kerry next week as part of her annual leave, Holiday pay for 2 weeks as usual.

Many of those getting paid have already been forced to take annual leave during lockdown. They can't go on holidays. Even if they could go, they need another two weeks holidays afterwards for the self-isolation. The only ones with the time available for holidays are working people with large amounts of leave (a small minority) and people sitting around on social welfare.

Do you think it is fair that people who have worked all through the pandemic like bus drivers, gardai and firemen can't go on holidays while those on social welfare should be allowed?

hotmail.com · 28-07-2020 11:12AM

Total mess about the junior ministerial pay, which could have been avoided if they just didn't do the increase!

Bishop of hope · 28-07-2020 11:17AM

blanch152 wrote: »

Many of those getting paid have already been forced to take annual leave during lockdown. They can't go on holidays. Even if they could go, they need another two weeks holidays afterwards for the self-isolation. The only ones with the time available for holidays are working people with large amounts of leave (a small minority) and people sitting around on social welfare.

Do you think it is fair that people who have worked all through the pandemic like bus drivers, gardai and firemen can't go on holidays while those on social welfare should be allowed?

There's green list countries to go to, but the people still not back at work, eh barstaff and those involved in the hospitality sector, they can't go.
Leave aside those on welfare even.

Edgware · 28-07-2020 11:44AM

Fann Linn wrote: »

You'd want to switch off boards and turn on the radio or buy a paper. The general consensus over the past few days including this morning is that this is a poor ill judged decision. And that position has been supported in print and on air by TDs from the three govt parties.
And they call Shinners a cult.

Among other words containing c u and t.

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