Neighbor looking to bring water pipe through my land

mickdw · 27-07-2020 08:34PM

Kian Handsome Ref wrote: »

The major upside is not having a neighbour with a grudge against you (even if they hide it) for the rest of you life. There will always be something that comes up where you could want their help or a favour and I’d never forget it and always curse the person behind their back that didn’t let me do something as simple as run a water pipe through their land to potentially save me thousands.

Equally I would be happy to oblige the person if it was my land. The local group water scheme ran their mains pipes through our land a few years ago when upgrading the system in the locality, they were the big pipes not small ones to a house. I’m sure we could have complained but why would we it’s a local scheme for the benefit of locals similar to helping a neighbour.

Funny enough, our group scheme is also run through the field as opposed to run at roadside. This was done as the handy option at the time but it has been a nightmare start to finish.
Anyone wanting to build a house has to divert it to the road as its in way of percolation areas generally. Joints fail and are hard to spot until a field get waterlogged.
Then its more difficult to hand over to irish water due to all the wayleaves etc. Complete disaster.

Say my name · 27-07-2020 08:38PM

Any reason Op why they can't bring the water down their access road to and from the main line?
I know there's a few posters have asked the same question. :pac:

Fann Linn · 27-07-2020 08:49PM

I've come across jobs where septic tanks and other such services are located on other people's property. There can be problems regarding access, liability, upkeep and ownership responsibilities. I'd ask them nicely to find an alternative arrangement.

Base price · 27-07-2020 08:56PM

Sonic the Shaghog wrote: »

I have a neighbor who's son has a planning permission for a house and asked if they can bring their water pipe through my land up to where the house is, am I looking at any issues? I want to be neighbourly but hearing it might cause issues

He also wanted to bring a pipe through another piece of my land up to cabins

A bit wary now, anyone have any experience?

As part of his planning application did the architect not have to specify the service access points?

wildwillow · 27-07-2020 09:16PM

I had to submit maps showing ownership when I got a new connection from Irish Water. I don't think they will connect through your land, at least not without having a proper legal basis.

You need to know if he is just trying to save money on the connection charge.

It is important you get legal advice and then decide. Quote the advice if neighbour is upset at your decision.

27-07-2020 09:21PM

We don’t even know if irish water are involved. As it’s a rural area it’s very likely to be a group water scheme.

27-07-2020 09:22PM

Kian Handsome Ref wrote: »

We don’t even know if irish water are involved. As it’s a rural area it’s very likely to be a group water scheme.

A lot of them have gone by the wayside years ago. Not nearly as common as they used to be.

Ronin247 · 27-07-2020 09:27PM

There could be many reasons why he needs to pass through the land, too far from the road any other way ( there is a certain distance from the main line you cannot go beyond), doesn't want to dig up a tarred lane...... any number of reasons.
I would give the permission gladly and get a pipe put in the trench for yourself..... never know when you will need it.
Someone mentioned leaking joints... you can stipulate that it is one continuous run of pipe.
Why would anyone not help a neighbour if it costs them nothing?

Frankx · 27-07-2020 09:30PM

He could end up having you over a barrel with the pipe

Say you wanted to do something with the land but you can't because your neighbors water pipe can't be disturbed

And he's now refusing to let you reroute it

27-07-2020 09:33PM

Frankx wrote: »

He could end up having you over a barrel with the pipe

Say you wanted to do something with the land but you can't because your neighbors water pipe can't be disturbed

And he's now refusing to let you reroute it

How is he going to stop him? If I needed to reroute the pipe on my land I’d be telling the neighbour not asking.

Aravo · 27-07-2020 10:33PM

If the son has planning permission he had to specify a water source whether Irish Water or a well. I would check what was mentioned there. If there was to be a connection to a watermain what route was specified.
Is the access to the property at a public road or a private lane, why could this not be used as a route.

Is the op being asked as they have lands that divide the neighbours, one field has water and another has none.

Base price · 27-07-2020 10:47PM

OP what are these "cabins" that you mention?

You also say that he wants to run a water pipe through other land that you own to them.

Water John · 27-07-2020 10:49PM

If the mains on the road is a public water supply, then the meter and connection will be at that point. The proposed pipe through your land is his, not Irish Water.
Yes, it's a wayleave situation but services in towns and cities in the past have all been through neighbours back gardens.

It might be quite costly to access another way. For example, if it's up a small side road. That means digging either the centre of the road or at the side of the road. Both means drawing away the spoil and replacing with something like 804. This may be the reason for the request.

If possible ask him to use heavy duty pipe and bury close to a metre. Really rare risk of leakage or break.

Sonic the Shaghog · 27-07-2020 10:50PM

There is a concrete road going up between my two lots land to his father's house and he's building beside his father's house

I'm thinking maybe they don't want to spend to dig up the concrete road and run a pipe maybe

I would be interested in selling the land eventually too. Another issue is I am inheriting the land and haven't even started the probate so couldbt even sign a legal right of way document if I wanted to at the moment

In fact I'd say the major issue here is they might be trying to save on tearing up concrete

Aravo · 27-07-2020 10:54PM

Let them go up the roadway. Best for everyone. What is their problem is not yours. I would say thanks but no thanks.

wrangler · 27-07-2020 10:58PM

Sonic the Shaghog wrote: »

There is a concrete road going up between my two lots land to his father's house and he's building beside his father's house

I'm thinking maybe they don't want to spend to dig up the concrete road and run a pipe maybe

I would be interested in selling the land eventually too. Another issue is I am inheriting the land and haven't even started the probate so couldbt even sign a legal right of way document if I wanted to at the moment

In fact I'd say the major issue here is they might be trying to save on tearing up concrete

Ironically I was going to say you don't know what's in the future, If you're even only thinking of selling it you shouldn't agree, it'd have to be declared at the auction

Water John · 27-07-2020 10:59PM

Would there be any room between the the concrete and the ditch? A small trench about 300mm should suffice them. Another option depending on ground is a horizontal driller under the concrete. These are a small impact drill head driven by an air compressor.
Not sure of their avaiibility in Ireland.

Lime Tree Farm · 27-07-2020 11:00PM

Aravo wrote: »

Let them go up the roadway. Best for everyone. What is their problem is not yours. I would say thanks but no thanks.

It will be minimum 50mm, Heavy Guage Hydrodare, which will be specified, from my past experience.

John Hutton · 27-07-2020 11:01PM

Sonic the Shaghog wrote: »

There is a concrete road going up between my two lots land to his father's house and he's building beside his father's house

I'm thinking maybe they don't want to spend to dig up the concrete road and run a pipe maybe

I would be interested in selling the land eventually too. Another issue is I am inheriting the land and haven't even started the probate so couldbt even sign a legal right of way document if I wanted to at the moment

In fact I'd say the major issue here is they might be trying to save on tearing up concrete

Tell him you were talking to the solicitor about it and he raised reservations so you are not sure, and in any case you are only starting probate and the solicitor says it might be a bit complicated and will take ages so you can't give permission in any event... Gives you a bit of an out.

Water John · 27-07-2020 11:03PM

Lime Tree Farm wrote: »

It will be minimum 50mm, Heavy Guage Hydrodare, which will be specified, from my past experience.

That would be preferred also for flow but the standard house connection was half inch HD and any distance loses volume.

_Brian · 27-07-2020 11:03PM

So I was thinking yea it’s not too bad run a pipe to the lads house, help him out.

But now it’s two pipes to two separate locations and I’m thinking there’s a bit of a piss take happening with this lad.

I’d always be inclined to help a fella out but maybe this is going too far.

Lime Tree Farm · 27-07-2020 11:11PM

Sonic the Shaghog wrote: »

There is a concrete road going up between my two lots land to his father's house and he's building beside his father's house

I'm thinking maybe they don't want to spend to dig up the concrete road and run a pipe maybe

I would be interested in selling the land eventually too. Another issue is I am inheriting the land and haven't even started the probate so couldbt even sign a legal right of way document if I wanted to at the moment

In fact I'd say the major issue here is they might be trying to save on tearing up concrete

It looks like he has been given directions from the planning authority specifying the type of water connection, otherwise he would be tapping into his father's supply.

You should look up his planning application with the local planning office, which should be available to view online.

Water John · 27-07-2020 11:22PM

Irish Water won't allow the splitting of the connection with the father.

Sonic the Shaghog · 27-07-2020 11:54PM

It's a group scheme I've been trying to look up the application

Good loser · 27-07-2020 11:58PM

If son built house, and wanted to sell it, purchasing solr would require a legal wayleave for the water pipe.
You would have to pay your own solr to create this wayleave in favour of the son. This would then be shown on your deeds, I imagine.
I think that there are drilling machines that will go down 0.6m even through concrete.

I says · 28-07-2020 12:06AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

By you perhaps, but the people I remember the best are those who have been kind/helpful to me in the past.

I’ll help anyone out, but I’m out long enough to meet plenty of pricks in my lifetime and reading through this thread what’s been asked for is pulling the piss.

I says · 28-07-2020 12:08AM

Pkiernan wrote: »

Being a not nice neighbour is never forgotten.

Live a bit and you’ll meet plenty who are only out for themselves. There is nothing in people anymore there was a time there was but it’s only users out there now.
Call me a cynic, life is gone that way now.

Sonic the Shaghog · 28-07-2020 12:08AM

The application seems to show the water was to go up the concrete road he only asked about the field few weeks back

I think as I cannot legally protect myself by signing a leave of way even if I wanted to or them either to be honest I'll pull the plug and tell them no tomorrow

He'd be known as a cute heure locally anyways

I says · 28-07-2020 12:09AM

Sonic the Shaghog wrote: »

The application seems to show the water was to go up the concrete road he only asked about the field few weeks back

I think as I cannot legally protect myself or them either to be honest I'll pull the plug and tell them no tomorrow

He'd be known as a cute heure locally anyways

You knew the answer to your own question before you asked us here. You only wanted confirmation of what you were thinking.

Sonic the Shaghog · 28-07-2020 12:14AM

It's a group water scheme but yet the reports are going to Irish water per the planning application so they must have some involvement as well

**** them they are loaded with money digging up the road wouldn't be a thing to them

The father has a mini digger so probably thinks it's far cheaper open it himself and lay most of it

If I can't get legal protection after all I've read then I'm not doing it

Neighbor looking to bring water pipe through my land

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