Madeleine McCann

happyoutscan · 23-07-2020 09:12AM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Will never be solved.

Too many irons in the fire from UK. No wonder Amaral won his case against the McCanns. Anyone who opened their mouths were sued, why I wonder.

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Hi Dark Crystal, nice to see you again.

You may be right, it may never be solved.

However, that lies with Amaral. He is dirt.

limnam · 23-07-2020 10:14AM

happyoutscan wrote: »

You may be right, it may never be solved.

However, that lies with Amaral. He is dirt.

And the mess of incorrect/false/changing of statements at the start

Banana Republic. · 23-07-2020 10:54AM

They police have unearthed some stuff on CB, he is red hot at the moment and I’d say he’s wondering everyday did he hide all his stuff well enough. He’s probably studying law inside to get himself out of the bind he’s in. Surely he’s getting to see all the stuff written about him. Still unsure if he was involved in the Madeline case.

splinter65 · 23-07-2020 11:39AM

Banana Republic. wrote: »

They police have unearthed some stuff on CB, her red hit at the moment and I’d say he’s wondering everyday did he hide all his stuff well enough. He’s probably studying law inside to get himself out of the bind he’s in. Surely he’s getting to see all the stuff written about him. Still unsure if he was involved in the Madeline case.

“Her red hit”is lost on me there Banana, will you just post that again?

splinter65 · 23-07-2020 11:44AM

limnam wrote: »

And the mess of incorrect/false/changing of statements at the start

Were there “false” statements limnam ? How were the statements “false”? Who decided they were “false” ? I don’t understand the concept of a “false” statement. I think that you mean that someone/s statements were proven in court to be untrue. When did that happen and whose statements were the untrue ones?

chooseusername · 23-07-2020 04:23PM

On ITV tonight 9pm. for an hour.
It'll all get sorted then.

23-07-2020 04:33PM

chooseusername wrote: »

On ITV tonight 9pm. for an hour.
It'll all get sorted then.

Also Virgin 1 for Sky users.

Banana Republic. · 23-07-2020 05:47PM

chooseusername wrote: »

On ITV tonight 9pm. for an hour.
It'll all get sorted then.

I hope this well actually be discussed after it and we see what comes from it, will it include CB and ask the recent details would be very good to see how it’s presented. Really looking forward to it.

LillySV · 23-07-2020 06:04PM

Banana Republic. wrote: »

I hope this well actually be discussed after it and we see what comes from it, will it include CB and ask the recent details would be very good to see how it’s presented. Really looking forward to it.

There’s a doc on Madeline on virgin media tonite also...is it the same thing as the one on ITV?

buttercups88 · 23-07-2020 06:20PM

LillySV wrote: »

There’s a doc on Madeline on virgin media tonite also...is it the same thing as the one on ITV?

Yep same one

limnam · 23-07-2020 07:58PM

splinter65 wrote: »

Were there “false” statements limnam ? How were the statements “false”? Who decided they were “false” ? I don’t understand the concept of a “false” statement. I think that you mean that someone/s statements were proven in court to be untrue. When did that happen and whose statements were the untrue ones?

Huh

If you have to change a statement it means the original one was false no ?

Banana Republic. · 23-07-2020 09:15PM

Very interesting so far, seems a very unbiased programme so far. The walk to the apartment was indeed very close from the door of the Garden Club. The abduction would of having to be planned meticulously, quickly actioned which the way “he” left seems very plausible, nobody would of seen him slipping away. It was done to perfection in terms of crime planning and acting on it. Very good insight now into CB and the lack of a link to him from the start and how slippery the fecker is, even the guy he was friends with is on explaining what he said about the van and how to use it. This is good.

SusieBlue · 23-07-2020 09:29PM

It’s mental to think that the Portuguese police had a list of calls that bounced off the Ocean Club mast just a few weeks after Madeleine went missing, but CB was never picked up on.

I know it’s been said before but this case could have been solved years ago if properly managed by the Portuguese police. So much evidence was ignored and not given any consideration and correct procedures weren’t followed across the board. It’s maddening.

Banana Republic. · 23-07-2020 09:32PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

It’s mental to think that the Portuguese police had a list of calls that bounced off the Ocean Club mast just a few weeks after Madeleine went missing, but CB was never picked up on.

I know it’s been said before but this case could have been solved years ago if properly managed by the Portuguese police. So much evidence was ignored and not given any consideration and correct procedures weren’t followed across the board. It’s maddening.

As the UK officer said time was the enemy and they lost that as it was above their heads before they knew it, such a small police force were just submerged by the intense media from the get go. Not an excuse but just a fact of the pressure n inexperience which they should of taken the UK advise to help them in regards to knowledge.

splinter65 · 23-07-2020 09:56PM

limnam wrote: »

Huh

If you have to change a statement it means the original one was false no ?

No, why on earth would you say that? If you make a statement and then you remember something that you want to add to it, do you actually think that that means that the person who gave the original statement was lying or something?!?Have you never had an important conversation with someone and afterwards you thought to yourself that you should have mentioned this or that, or that you possibly said 2 hours when you really meant 3? Where have you pulled this “false” from?
What you are doing limnam is carefully choosing language and expressions which you think reinforces your very strong belief that the McCanns and friends are guilty of the abduction murder and disposal of Madeleine. You have to do this because you have absolutely no clue how, why where when or who did this. Because there is absolutely not one shred of evidence that they did.
You decided, on no evidence whatsoever, that they are guilty and admitting now, 13 years later, that you were wrong is not a move you’re willing to take.

Leftwaffe · 23-07-2020 09:57PM

Not much new really.

Can't see anything coming from the CB suspect. Unless someone comes forward.

Banana Republic. · 23-07-2020 10:01PM

Redordeadqwwer wrote: »

Not much new really.

Can't see anything coming from the CB suspect. Unless someone comes forward.

I found lots of new things with the interview of the guy who knew Breukner and he’s talked about fitting a child into his van to hide. He could of easily brought her away unseen and he’s cell phone was there that night, if he was in the town that evening then he’s definitely the red hot suspect. The police screwed up any chance of catching the person in those vital first few hours and days.

MonsterCookie · 23-07-2020 10:10PM

Banana Republic. wrote: »

I found lots of new things with the interview of the guy who knew Breukner and he’s talked about fitting a child into his van to hide. He could of easily brought her away unseen and he’s cell phone was there that night, if he was in the town that evening then he’s definitely the red hot suspect. The police screwed up any chance of catching the person in those vital first few hours and days.

It was a good summary imo. No mention of the girlfriends or the possible link to the other number.

It struck me that it was partly an appeal for more witnesses and partly a pr job to give some credit to the Portuguese !

Also; i hadn’t realized that CBs name came to the German authorities by a number of separate sources.

splinter65 · 23-07-2020 10:15PM

A mixture of pride and fear totally threw the Portuguese police, and then Amarals cynicism and incompetence put the kaibosh on the investigation once and for all.

Banana Republic. · 23-07-2020 10:20PM

MonsterCookie wrote: »

It was a good summary imo. No mention of the girlfriends or the possible link to the other number.

It struck me that it was partly an appeal for more witnesses and partly a pr job to give some credit to the Portuguese !

Also; i hadn’t realized that CBs name came to the German authorities by a number of separate sources.

I would say it was made before the ex girlfriend who burgled houses with him came to light. How close the Ocean Club to the apartment was actually that close its crazy I didn’t realise how close it actually is till the guy walked there. I don’t think the Portuguese came away with anymore credit at all, all the police forces seemed to screwed up as it was seen as a competition which didn’t help at all, I dunno why these police forces can’t work together as Europe is supposed to be all in together. Yea the fact his name popped up a few times, few mess ups in not investing CB earlier is a big mistake. Everything about this guy, his movements, his crimes and his closeness on that evening to the scene and then his curling of the car reg plus the van he has spoken about with the guy seems to be super suspect.

happyoutscan · 23-07-2020 10:20PM

Didnt see it, anything new (apart from the parents didnt do it and Amaral is a useless ****, which most of us knew)?

Banana Republic. · 23-07-2020 10:24PM

happyoutscan wrote: »

Didnt see it, anything new (apart from the parents didnt do it and Amaral is a useless ****, which most of us knew)?

The interview with his former friend about his conversation about the van and joe he could smuggle drugs or even a small child was very interesting. Few appeals that opened info into this CB as a major suspect. Hope they believe he was definitely in the area on the night but note to prove it and to find who was on the other end of the conversation to him (if he used the phone himself) what they spoke about and his known location and reason for the phone call.

MonsterCookie · 23-07-2020 10:32PM

Watching it again on itv1+1 now.

Interesting that the parents appeal on german tv in 2013 led to CB being identified but that there was nothing at the time to place him in PDL in 2007. Underlines that if the Portuguese had been on t t he ball (they knew of his previous child sex offendes) they would have been in touch with the Germans much earlier.

Day Lewin · 23-07-2020 10:33PM

Yes, that phone call really is the hidden key that could unlock this.

Who was it? And exactly where? Even exactly WHEN? It could come down to the minutes.

Tantalising, and frustrating.

Banana Republic. · 23-07-2020 10:55PM

MonsterCookie wrote: »

Watching it again on itv1+1 now.

Interesting that the parents appeal on german tv in 2013 led to CB being identified but that there was nothing at the time to place him in PDL in 2007. Underlines that if the Portuguese had been on t t he ball (they knew of his previous child sex offendes) they would have been in touch with the Germans much earlier.

Just goes to show what the partners were doing worked and it wasn’t a jolly as some ppl would think. I think that worked again a few years later in Portugal where someone else came forward possibly the guy about the van and CB’s itinerant lifestyle.

MonsterCookie · 23-07-2020 10:58PM

Banana Republic. wrote: »

Just goes to show what the partners were doing worked and it wasn’t a jolly as some ppl would think. I think that worked again a few years later in Portugal where someone else came forward possibly the guy about the van and CB’s itinerant lifestyle.

Agree with you Banana. Won’t ever be enough to convince everyone but there you go.

Overriding sense of sadness after watching it tonight.

Banana Republic. · 23-07-2020 10:58PM

Day Lewin wrote: »

Yes, that phone call really is the hidden key that could unlock this.

Who was it? And exactly where? Even exactly WHEN? It could come down to the minutes.

Tantalising, and frustrating.

I think this programme and the recent ones in the different countries could really put the heat back into this and jog ppls memories or broken friendships that CB had at the time which were strong back then could help untie the whole case. There’s been big leads already so hopefully it happens again but doubt they’ll ever find who was on the phone call as they can be accused too but maybe even an anonymous tip off could unearth the truth. This guys bravado hopefully is his undoing. I think that Nicole character was the other person in the phone that night. She’s got kids now and a new career so don’t stress going to get loose lips anytime soon. Most likely she was involved, wonder can they link her to PDL that night?

Banana Republic. · 23-07-2020 11:04PM

MonsterCookie wrote: »

Agree with you Banana. Won’t ever be enough to convince everyone but there you go.

Overriding sense of sadness after watching it tonight.

Agreed it really focuses the mind that it’s Madeline involved a kid on holiday with her parents and for the first time I seen the parents as proper victims of this all and their work in different countries to get key info was one of the major things I didn’t realise as I haven’t seen that info before that uncovered key info.

splinter65 · 23-07-2020 11:21PM

Banana Republic. wrote: »

Agreed it really focuses the mind that it’s Madeline involved a kid on holiday with her parents and for the first time I seen the parents as proper victims of this all and their work in different countries to get key info was one of the major things I didn’t realise as I haven’t seen that info before that uncovered key info.

Trolls worked really really hard for years to distort the real story of the abduction of M MCCann. Hatemongering in all its glory. In a way they will have to take quite a large chunk of responsibility for the German being free all this time.
They hammered home the lies surrounding the parents for so long and so comprehensively that if there was anyone who did suspect Bruekner it’s possible they dropped their suspicion on the grounds that it was only a matter of time before the McCanns were charged.

limnam · 23-07-2020 11:26PM

splinter65 wrote: »

You decided, on no evidence whatsoever, that they are guilty and admitting now, 13 years later, that you were wrong is not a move you’re willing to take.

huh

Never stated anyone was guilty.

I think you keep mixing me up with someone else. As you've stated this a few times now.

Madeleine McCann

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