FE1 Exam Thread (Read 1st post!) NOTE: YOU MAY SWAP EXAM GRIDS

dobby896 · 21-07-2020 04:42PM

Supermax1988 wrote: »

They better have the exams in October. That's what I'm working towards anyways. It's only two exams in August. In 2014 they had Spring sittings in March and April for all 8 exams so there should be no problem for them to set an extra paper.

Out of interest, why did they do that in 2014?

dobby896 · 21-07-2020 04:47PM

Lallers96 wrote: »

. Do people think the October sitting will be going ahead in October?

I wouldn't be overly surprised if they followed the same route as Kings Inn and delayed them by a few weeks, perhaps mid October.

However, there is no point in speculating, here is hoping there is a timetable soon.

iamanengine · 21-07-2020 05:05PM

Coulter97 wrote: »

What can I reasonably hope to cut out? Tort topics I'm revising:

Ordinary Negligence
Causation/Remoteness
Standard/Duty of Care
Res Ipsa Loquitor
Medical Negligence
Product Liability
Nervous Shock
Employers Liability
Occupiers Liability
Vicarious Liability
Defamation
Nuisance/Rylands
Damages
Limitation Period

Tbh I wouldn't cut out any of those if you possibly could. Tort more than any exam is completely unpredictable and you really need to cover as much ground as you can. I got stung badly in the last sitting because even though I covered a lot of topics I could only answer 4 Q's and failed as a result.

Of all those you mention I am covering all of them but if I had to cut I would say maybe Employers.

There is 3 weeks left so there is still plenty of time to learn.

Aoibhin511 · 21-07-2020 05:54PM

dobby896 wrote: »

Out of interest, why did they do that in 2014?

Iirc there was some issue with the venue so with about a month to go they announced that they were pulling the March sitting forward by 2 weeks, obviously this caused uproar so they then offered an alternative sitting 2 weeks after the original date for those who wouldn't be ready for early March or couldn't get time off work then.

Debarramike137 · 21-07-2020 05:54PM

does anyone have March 2020 paper to any/all;

Constitutional, Company, Equity or Tort please...for swap

Louis Litt · 21-07-2020 07:34PM

EU

Are ppl covering Infringement proceedings? Does it still come up post new examiner?

Healyjhow · 21-07-2020 09:53PM

Louis Litt wrote: »

EU

Are ppl covering Infringement proceedings? Does it still come up post new examiner?

Can I ask now when the new examiner started ?

Aoibhin511 · 21-07-2020 09:56PM

Healyjhow wrote: »

Can I ask now when the new examiner started ?

Oct 15

Aoibhin511 · 21-07-2020 09:58PM

Louis Litt wrote: »

EU

Are ppl covering Infringement proceedings? Does it still come up post new examiner?

He's never examined it alone but it is important for Q on Commission’s supervisory role

legallyginger · 21-07-2020 11:17PM

looking for some advice RE study, have began land and contract but feel like I'm too far behind (for October)
anybody able to give any advice on where I should be at right now or even how long to study each day? (working part time) So new to all of this!

yipyop · 21-07-2020 11:59PM

Hey guys, wondering if any of you might have the March 2020 EU Paper? Let me know and can send you a few bits I have in return!

lawgrad15 · 22-07-2020 12:19AM

legallyginger wrote: »

looking for some advice RE study, have began land and contract but feel like I'm too far behind (for October)
anybody able to give any advice on where I should be at right now or even how long to study each day? (working part time) So new to all of this!

To be honest, it's quite difficult to say exactly how much time you should be studying each day. Everybody learns at a different pace. The main thing to remember is that you have lots of time so use it wisely.

Those are two good subjects to start with. I would say for both of them, do out notes of your own on a topic e.g. succession in property, keep reading over them and look at as many exam questions as you can for each. By that, I mean seeing how you would answer the question in an exam. You will find that questions can repeat themselves so it is really important to be familiar with the questions and know how you would approach them.

For contract also, the examiner writes quite good exam reports. She tends to highlight areas where students did poorly so I made a note of these points in my notes. This is quite important as you don't want to stumble over something previously flagged.

After that, it just comes down to reading and rereading notes. Personally, I don't start to rote learn until nearer the exam. That's just my take on it. If I am familiar with my notes and what's written down, then 2-3 weeks generally is fine for the rote learning.

That's just my view on what you should be doing. Best of luck with the study!

andrcamp · 22-07-2020 09:06AM

Is Competition due on the August EU paper or is it worth cutting?

BugsySiegel · 22-07-2020 10:42AM

andrcamp wrote: »

Is Competition due on the August EU paper or is it worth cutting?

There's nearly always a question on it. Think it focused more on Art 106 in the last sitting. I know some people leave it out anyway as it's one of the longer topics and the paper is pretty predictable.

andrcamp · 22-07-2020 10:51AM

BugsySiegel wrote: »

There's nearly always a question on it. Think it focused more on Art 106 in the last sitting. I know some people leave it out anyway as it's one of the longer topics and the paper is pretty predictable.

Cheers!

dobby896 · 22-07-2020 11:08AM

legallyginger wrote: »

looking for some advice RE study, have began land and contract but feel like I'm too far behind (for October)
anybody able to give any advice on where I should be at right now or even how long to study each day? (working part time) So new to all of this!

You're genuinely not, in any shape or form, behind.

It is all very subjective and what works for one person may not one work for the other. However, worrying at this stage about "being too far behind" will only debilitate your well-being, doing some topics each day and continue to familiarise yourself with the material. It's all repetition.

Lallers96 · 22-07-2020 11:25AM

The topics I have covered are:

Negligence (that includes duty of care, causation etc. and res ipsa loquiter as per the manuals)
Professional Negligence
Nervous Shock
Occupier's Liability
Product Liability
Defamation
Defences + Remedies
Passing Off
Limitation Periods

Does anyone think that's enough or should I add to it? I'm running through exam answers from the top of the list down, and I am on Remedies at the moment. This is so I leave myself plenty of time to practice, practice, practice to get the timing down.

BlackhallPlz · 22-07-2020 11:55AM

What’s everyone thinking for EU?

lawgrad49 · 22-07-2020 12:43PM

Lallers96 wrote: »

The topics I have covered are:

Negligence (that includes duty of care, causation etc. and res ipsa loquiter as per the manuals)
Professional Negligence
Nervous Shock
Occupier's Liability
Product Liability
Defamation
Defences + Remedies
Passing Off
Limitation Periods

Does anyone think that's enough or should I add to it? I'm running through exam answers from the top of the list down, and I am on Remedies at the moment. This is so I leave myself plenty of time to practice, practice, practice to get the timing down.

Out of curiosity, when you are practicing to get your timing down, what methods are you using? Are you seeing how much you can write on a topic in a half an hour?

I'm finding it difficult to decide how much I need to memorise as some questions lend themselves more to a problem structure, i.e. Occupiers Liability & Product Liability so I don't feel I would need to rote learn them as much as say Res Ipsa or Damages that you'd expect an essay on.

Lallers96 · 22-07-2020 02:09PM

lawgrad49 wrote: »

Out of curiosity, when you are practicing to get your timing down, what methods are you using? Are you seeing how much you can write on a topic in a half an hour?

I'm finding it difficult to decide how much I need to memorise as some questions lend themselves more to a problem structure, i.e. Occupiers Liability & Product Liability so I don't feel I would need to rote learn them as much as say Res Ipsa or Damages that you'd expect an essay on.

I plan to time myself answering questions with minimalistic notes at first, and then again without notes for it to really all sink in.

So for me my aim is to answer a question is 32 minutes, give or take a few minutes. Practicing timing would be important because I could easily spend 40-45 mins today writing an answer which is too long to get all 5 Qs done.

3 hour exam. 10 minutes to read questions at the beginning of it, and to plan what I will answer. 2h40m for answering questions, divide that by 5 and you get 32 minutes per question. So 2 minutes to plan the answer and 30 to write it. Obviously this is all if things are going according to plan. This leaves 10 minutes at the end to quickly read over your answers and I suppose touch up anything, or possibly give you a bit of extra time on a longer answer/tough question.

At the moment I'm going through essay questions over the last decade and I will move onto problem questions from my 1st topic down to the last. By then I will have gone over each topic 3 times over so I hope to have it all in the brain by then

Coulter97 · 22-07-2020 02:24PM

legallyginger wrote: »

looking for some advice RE study, have began land and contract but feel like I'm too far behind (for October)
anybody able to give any advice on where I should be at right now or even how long to study each day? (working part time) So new to all of this!

You're not far behind at all! At least that's what I'm telling myself as I haven't started revising for October at all.

HappyKitten62 · 22-07-2020 02:48PM

For tort, I’ve done every chapter except the introduction, but on the syllabus there’s some things that aren’t in the manual and I’m not sure what to do:

- concurrent wrongdoers
- Civil liability act in general - nowhere near enough in the manual for the qs asked!
- liability for children
- negligence on roads
- fatal injuries
- survival of actions on death

Could someone shed some light on this? Would it be critical to leave any of the above out?

TIA

Coulter97 · 22-07-2020 03:53PM

HappyKitten62 wrote: »

For tort, I’ve done every chapter except the introduction, but on the syllabus there’s some things that aren’t in the manual and I’m not sure what to do:

- concurrent wrongdoers
- Civil liability act in general - nowhere near enough in the manual for the qs asked!
- liability for children
- negligence on roads
- fatal injuries
- survival of actions on death

Could someone shed some light on this? Would it be critical to leave any of the above out?

TIA

If you've studied every topic apart from those you've outlined you're perfectly fine and will be able to answer at least 5 questions.

HappyKitten62 · 22-07-2020 03:57PM

Coulter97 wrote: »

If you've studied every topic apart from those you've outlined you're perfectly fine and will be able to answer at least 5 questions.

Thanks! Just strange how it’s not in the manual

vid36 · 22-07-2020 04:41PM

The guidelines for returning to higher education were published today. I don't see how the FE1 exams can operate as normal adhering to these.Particularly the requirements relating to limiting contact group time to two hours and also bringing together such a large number of students for all over the country.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/a7d05-practical-guidance-for-further-and-higher-education-for-returning-to-on-site-activity-in-2020/

iamanengine · 22-07-2020 04:50PM

vid36 wrote: »

The guidelines for returning to higher education were published today. I don't see how the FE1 exams can operate as normal adhering to these.Particularly the requirements relating to limiting contact group time to two hours and also bringing together such a large number of students for all over the country.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/a7d05-practical-guidance-for-further-and-higher-education-for-returning-to-on-site-activity-in-2020/

Pls...stop.

The exams are going ahead 100% *covers eyes and ears*

Wonderstruck · 22-07-2020 05:02PM

HappyKitten62 wrote: »

For tort, I’ve done every chapter except the introduction, but on the syllabus there’s some things that aren’t in the manual and I’m not sure what to do:

- concurrent wrongdoers
- Civil liability act in general - nowhere near enough in the manual for the qs asked!
- liability for children
- negligence on roads
- fatal injuries
- survival of actions on death

Could someone shed some light on this? Would it be critical to leave any of the above out?

TIA

Learn concurrent wrongdoers it's very relevant to basically any question where two or more people are at fault. If you're advising someone you can say that you would apply to have that other person can be added as a party to the proceedings, it might save your client a bomb if the plaintiff goes after them for damages as well or instead (theres an Irish rail case on this)! So you're showing that you're really trying to help your client get out of a sticky situation

Even to say that on the facts there isn't an issue of concurrent wrongdoers it shows you know your stuff.

Also look into the crime of conspiracy e.g R v Parnell (links into concurrent wrongdoers). It is basically what it says on the tin, two or more people planning to commit a tort together.

Really surprised it isn't in your manual!

HappyKitten62 · 22-07-2020 06:43PM

Wonderstruck wrote: »

Learn concurrent wrongdoers it's very relevant to basically any question where two or more people are at fault. If you're advising someone you can say that you would apply to have that other person can be added as a party to the proceedings, it might save your client a bomb if the plaintiff goes after them for damages as well or instead (theres an Irish rail case on this)! So you're showing that you're really trying to help your client get out of a sticky situation

Even to say that on the facts there isn't an issue of concurrent wrongdoers it shows you know your stuff.

Also look into the crime of conspiracy e.g R v Parnell (links into concurrent wrongdoers). It is basically what it says on the tin, two or more people planning to commit a tort together.

Really surprised it isn't in your manual!

Thanks so much! I know it’s so strange.

What chapter does it come under?

legallyginger · 22-07-2020 06:58PM

lawgrad15 wrote: »

To be honest, it's quite difficult to say exactly how much time you should be studying each day. Everybody learns at a different pace. The main thing to remember is that you have lots of time so use it wisely.

Those are two good subjects to start with. I would say for both of them, do out notes of your own on a topic e.g. succession in property, keep reading over them and look at as many exam questions as you can for each. By that, I mean seeing how you would answer the question in an exam. You will find that questions can repeat themselves so it is really important to be familiar with the questions and know how you would approach them.

For contract also, the examiner writes quite good exam reports. She tends to highlight areas where students did poorly so I made a note of these points in my notes. This is quite important as you don't want to stumble over something previously flagged.

After that, it just comes down to reading and rereading notes. Personally, I don't start to rote learn until nearer the exam. That's just my take on it. If I am familiar with my notes and what's written down, then 2-3 weeks generally is fine for the rote learning.

That's just my view on what you should be doing. Best of luck with the study!

this made me feel so much better, thank you!

LJones18 · 22-07-2020 08:35PM

TORT

What do people think the chances of defamation coming up for a 5th time in a row is?

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