Allow me to explain why the 'All Live Matter' hashtag is awful.

Foxtrol wrote: »

So you're saying White and Black people in the US started off at the same income levels and the massive differences now in average household wealth between people of the two races is driven by lone parents??

I think it is you that needs to think about it.

No. Black fathers are more then twice as likely to be absent from the home where their children live as white fathers. You have to ask yourself why that is, because it’s not the fault of white people.

Deleted User wrote: »

Nope. It just seems that you can't. Of course, it's "something" to do with race.. but is it specifically about race? No.

What absolute nonsense. In your posts you spoke about the culture of a race and are now tying yourself in a complete knot saying it has nothing to do with race.

It is as ridiculous as me posting about French people and claiming it has 'something to do' with nationality but not 'specifically about' nationality. :rolleyes:

Forget it. Some people just want make this topic completely about racism, rather than considering extra factors. I should know better at this stage. I'll leave it to others to argue about.

A person can talk about race without racism, it just seems difficult for you and some other posters here.

splinter65 wrote: »

No. Black fathers are more then twice as likely to be absent from the home where their children live as white fathers. You have to ask yourself why that is, because it’s not the fault of white people.

It is pretty simple though some here are really struggling with it. It is the exact same reason white fathers from poor areas in the US and Ireland are more likely to be absent from the home than those from wealthy areas.

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

Having kids as an unmarried couple is another unideal setting for kids to be raised in. If you look at the UK some poor ethnic groups eg. bengalis have the highest rates kids in welock. Higher rates than rich white people. While Caribbeans have the lowest. But Africans have relatively high rates. There is some cultural factor. It may be the lack of religion combined with poverty, but what ever it is you are not quite putting your finger on it.

Seeing that in the US the black community has a higher rate of being religious than white, it is pretty clear people are just making things up now.

Cupatae wrote: »

Still have BLM up on that pedastal eh? Black people can still do no wrong in your eyes at some point your gonna be forced to assign some blame to them I know it's tough and I know you think they are some sort of saintly beings but you ll eventually have to come back to reality and realize some black people make dumb decisions and are involved in alot of crime not all of them.. but there are alot.. the statistics simply do not lie.You can kick and scream and deflect but the numbers tell the story.

I see, like many with your point of view, you're still resorting to strawman arguments. You just can't actually deal with the points I'm making.

The worldwide statistics show the connection between poverty and single parenthood (just like poverty and crime).

Trying to tie these things to be due to race is just lazy and simply racist but I'm not surprised to see that here at this stage.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The welfare state actively encourages single parenthood as a route to a free house and lifetime income supports, coupled with a toothless process to get fathers to actually pay for their children and an even more toothless approach to charging against welfare payments has created a subset of society where the men and women have nothing to lose and the women have a lot to gain by having unprotected sex with as many men as they can and having as many children as they can.

We're literally paying people to re-enact the last days of Rome.

Are you claiming kids from wealthy families are encouraged by the 'welfare state' to become single parents to get benefits and then end up becoming poor?

If not, this is just a nice rant but has nothing to do with my original point that those that are born into poorer families have a significantly higher chance of becoming single parents, no matter their race or what country they are born in.

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Don't be so reductive

That is what your posts are coming across as saying.

Feel free to explain what point you're trying to make.

Cupatae wrote: »

Is strawman your favorite word or something ? You seem to use it for anyone that doesn't agree with you, and proves you wrong.

We all know ur incredibly biased and at times willfully stupid it just undermine s everything you say at this stage.

Ohh your back to calling people that don't agree with you racist again? you are going in circles at this point

Black people make up 12-13% of the pop but are responsible for well over half of the violent crime in the us.

To you that's strawman to the rest of us it's a FACT.

Let's see what excuses you can come for that statistic this time or what mental gymnastics you can do to blame white people for this stat in some round about way.

I'd prefer not to use it that often but the strawman seems the only approach posters with your mindset have. You argue what you hoped I'd say rather than what I did. Example being your last post riddled with claims that I don't think black people can do wrong, which simply isnt the case.

The difference between our viewpoints is that my view is that though there is personal choice involved, the driver of crime/single motherhood is poverty, while you feel it is due to race. Your perspective ignores that poverty is shown to be linked to both worldwide, not race.

No one is arguing with your data point being a fact but it ignores all context. If you want to flip things, white people commit significantly higher rates of corporate and white collar crime than any other. According to the FBI, the annual cost of street crime is $15 billion compared to nearly $1 trillion for white-collar crime. Are you claiming there is also something inherently wrong with white people or is their situation a driver for their high crime statistics?

Cupatae wrote: »

Or you're just misunderstanding the post on purpose because you haven't an adequate retort, seems to be your go too tactic when called out.

Everyone else can read between the lines in terms of what the post means but you seem to need everything broken down to a ridiculous extent.. makes debating you very tedious.

It is difficult for me because posters tie themselves in such knots trying to make the racist things post appear not quite as racist and the result are posts of vague nonsense.

You're probably well used to 'reading between the lines' and dealing with 'dog whistles', however it isn't so easy for us folks that aren't initiated.

Foxtrol wrote: »

What do you mean it is owned? Are there marches against white collar crime in white communities? Are leaders of white communities speaking out against it on a consistent basis rather than other topics impacting white communities? Are white people expected to sort out white-collar crime before they speak about any other types of crime?

You do realise that white collar crime is a type of crime and not something solely committed by white people? White collar crime appears to be very prevalent in Africa and most often carried out by politicians over there. Hard to blame whitey in that case.