Madeleine McCann

splinter65 · 16-07-2020 05:12PM

joeguevara wrote: »

So In conclusion the McCain’s were friends with a paedo. These paedos are small. These paedos are far away. Still Paedos.

Yes. That’s the conclusion you have reached. 13 years of wondering and that’s what you’ve got.

joeguevara · 16-07-2020 05:12PM

splinter65 wrote: »

Do you ever wonder Joe when your making all these connections why all the 100s of professional highly qualified and experienced detectives from 3 different sovereign states who have worked on this case have never reached the same conclusions as you?

Good lawyers.

joeguevara · 16-07-2020 05:13PM

splinter65 wrote: »

Yes. That’s the conclusion you have reached. 13 years of wondering and that’s what you’ve got.

It’s a start. What do you have

joeguevara · 16-07-2020 05:15PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The e fit I believe was an Aussie tourist who came forward.
Possible coincidences the people they associated with but very unfortunate none the less.

The association with clement Freud through his brother is not coincidental.

Plumbthedepths · 16-07-2020 05:23PM

As I said earlier the company the McCanns kept was strange, but it proves nothing. Actually there is no proof of anything in this case other than Maddies absence.
I still believe the child never left the apartment alive, the dogs reactions in the apartment are too important to ignore imo why Gerry and Kate were so dismissive is strange.Their behaviour in the aftermath was strange. The timeline of events is a tough one even the experts cannot present a credible one to either prove innocence or guilt.
It's looking likely CB is not the culprit, Amaral at present seems to be correct that an attempt would be made to pin it on someone. If CB was responsible it would be closure but if it's a fit up , the real perpetrator/s go free.
The dismissal of the McCanns as suspects is something I always found strange based on Colin Sutton's interview. The majority of victims suffer at the hands of someone they know, whether the action was intentional or accidental.
Spanish is more than likely correct, the thread will go silent until another 'suspect' is found.
Personally I think it's time to take another close look at the McCanns and their wider circle as it existed in 2007.

splinter65 · 16-07-2020 05:24PM

joeguevara wrote: »

Good lawyers.

So... is this how it works in your head?
Detectives are working on a possible abduction and wrongful death/concealment of a body/possible murder of a child. They work for a long time gathering more and more evidence.
They eventually make a solid connection between the parents of the child and a paedophile ring.
They dig deeper.
They get enough evidence to charge the parents with having given their child to this paedophile ring.
(I won’t even ask you how or when this happened given the proven timeline, because I know you can’t answer that because we all know it’s impossible and I would be wasting my time).
Now tell me, how do the McCanns lawyers prevent the police from arresting them? Thanks.

splinter65 · 16-07-2020 05:26PM

joeguevara wrote: »

It’s a start. What do you have

No actually forget my last post. Now you tell us what you think happened Madeleine, when where why and how. Shoot.

joeguevara · 16-07-2020 05:31PM

splinter65 wrote: »

No actually forget my last post. Now you tell us what you think happened Madeleine, when where why and how. Shoot.

I don’t know. I’m open to every theory. Thankfully not up to me decide. Why can’t we all just get along, even if there are differences of opinion. Like nobody knows everything. I don’t understand why the disdain shown when at the end of the day nobody knows anything.

splinter65 · 16-07-2020 05:33PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

As I said earlier the company the McCanns kept was strange, but it proves nothing. Actually there is no proof of anything in this case other than Maddies absence.
I still believe the child never left the apartment alive, the dogs reactions in the apartment are too important to ignore imo why Gerry and Kate were so dismissive is strange.Their behaviour in the aftermath was strange. The timeline of events is a tough one even the experts cannot present a credible one to either prove innocence or guilt.
It's looking likely CB is not the culprit, Amaral at present seems to be correct that an attempt would be made to pin it on someone. If CB was responsible it would be closure but if it's a fit up , the real perpetrator/s go free.
The dismissal of the McCanns as suspects is something I always found strange based on Colin Sutton's interview. The majority of victims suffer at the hands of someone they know, whether the action was intentional or accidental.
Spanish is more than likely correct, the thread will go silent until another 'suspect' is found.
Personally I think it's time to take another close look at the McCanns and their wider circle as it existed in 2007.

Hmmmm...tell us more...sorry, no you can’t because as you quite rightly say the timeline makes it impossible to implicate the McCanns or any of their friends.
But you won’t let that stop you from insinuating that they’re guilty.
Even if the German is found to be guilty it’ll still be possible to cast doubt over it and if there’s DNA evidence it’ll STILL be possible to associate the German with the McCanns because, well, in the online world of the McCann case, it’s impossible for the McCanns to be not guilty.
It’s the hate fest that keeps on going, year in and out, like Christmas, or Glastonbury.

SusieBlue · 16-07-2020 05:33PM

joeguevara wrote: »

So In conclusion the McCain’s were friends with a paedo. These paedos are small. These paedos are far away. Still Paedos.

And what proof is there that the McCanns were aware that Freud was a pedophile?

splinter65 · 16-07-2020 05:36PM

joeguevara wrote: »

I don’t know. I’m open to every theory. Thankfully not up to me decide. Why can’t we all just get along, even if there are differences of opinion. Like nobody knows everything. I don’t understand why the disdain shown when at the end of the day nobody knows anything.

You’re not open to any theory. Your not even open to the fact that no one knew Clement Freud was a paedophile in 2007 so how can you say your open to another theory?

splinter65 · 16-07-2020 05:37PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

And what proof is there that the McCanns were aware that Freud was a pedophile?

He/she doesn’t grasp the concept of “we know now but we didn’t know then”.

Plumbthedepths · 16-07-2020 05:40PM

splinter65 wrote: »

Hmmmm...tell us more...sorry, no you can’t because as you quite rightly say the timeline makes it impossible to implicate the McCanns or any of their friends.
But you won’t let that stop you from insinuating that they’re guilty.
Even if the German is found to be guilty it’ll still be possible to cast doubt over it and if there’s DNA evidence it’ll STILL be possible to associate the German with the McCanns because, well, in the online world of the McCann case, it’s impossible for the McCanns to be not guilty.
It’s the hate fest that keeps on going, year in and out, like Christmas, or Glastonbury.

Actually I said the experts cannot provide a timeline that proves guilt or innocence.
You seem to have serious issues with others expressing their opinions or thoughts that you disagree with such is life. I realise you find it distasteful prehaps the internet is not for you, as you will always find people like me with a opinion you dislike. The important thing is to restrain oneself from making snide remarks , someday you may manage this today however is not that day.

joeguevara · 16-07-2020 05:42PM

splinter65 wrote: »

You’re not open to any theory. Your not even open to the fact that no one knew Clement Freud was a paedophile in 2007 so how can you say your open to another theory?

I’m open to that. It is not inconceivable that it was well hidden and the McCanns were duped and were looking for any friendly face in a place that was filled with horror for them.

joeguevara · 16-07-2020 05:43PM

splinter65 wrote: »

He/she doesn’t grasp the concept of “we know now but we didn’t know then”.

I’m a he. And I do grasp that concept.

Rock77 · 16-07-2020 06:29PM

joeguevara wrote: »

I will leave you with three questions:

Were they palling around with Clerment Freud.
Was he a paedo.
Why were they getting sloshed on vodka strawberry cocktails and having a right old hooley with a stranger a mere few months after their daughter was abducted.

Ah Joe, it honestly feels like your mask has slipped and I’m quite disappointed.

Earlier you posted you don’t suspect the parents but you believe nothing should be dismissed.

I posted earlier about people presenting things to suit their narrative, we discussed this at length. Then you post garbage like the above? What’s going on Joe? Did somebody hack your account?

Were they palling around with Clement Freud? YES

Was he a paedo? YEARS after they were palling around with him, he was accused. Why are you asking that question as if it has any relevance whatsoever?

‘Having a right old hooley with a stranger’ really? You all of a sudden sound like a lot of other posters in here that don’t even try to hide the fact that they are just here to slate the McCanns.

joeguevara · 16-07-2020 06:35PM

Rock77 wrote: »

Ah Joe, it honestly feels like your mask has slipped and I’m quite disappointed.

Earlier you posted you don’t suspect the parents but you believe nothing should be dismissed.

I posted earlier about people presenting things to suit their narrative, we discussed this at length. Then you post garbage like the above? What’s going on Joe? Did somebody hack your account?

Were they palling around with Clement Freud? YES

Was he a paedo? YEARS after they were palling around with him, he was accused. Why are you asking that question as if it has any relevance whatsoever?

‘Having a right old hooley with a stranger’ really? You all of a sudden sound like a lot of other posters in here that don’t even try to hide the fact that they are just here to slate the McCanns.

I was annoyed about something else. Apologies.

Definitely not here to slate them. I'm actually a bit at a loss with the whole thing. Looks like a shabby investigation from start to finish. But the main thing is that I hope someone will be caught and will be correct.

Rock77 · 16-07-2020 06:47PM

joeguevara wrote: »

I was annoyed about something else. Apologies.

Definitely not here to slate them. I'm actually a bit at a loss with the whole thing. Looks like a shabby investigation from start to finish. But the main thing is that I hope someone will be caught and will be correct.

That’s fair enough Joe, I was thinking about it and people can get dragged into silly arguments on this thread and end up saying silly things (myself included) I for one respect you as a poster but I was very disappointed in your last few posts.

Try to rise above it Joe, there’s never a need to slag people off, misrepresent things or exaggerate things to suit a narrative.

joeguevara · 16-07-2020 11:15PM

Rock77 wrote: »

That’s fair enough Joe, I was thinking about it and people can get dragged into silly arguments on this thread and end up saying silly things (myself included) I for one respect you as a poster but I was very disappointed in your last few posts.

Try to rise above it Joe, there’s never a need to slag people off, misrepresent things or exaggerate things to suit a narrative.

Fully agreed.

Day Lewin · 17-07-2020 08:16AM

From twitter: opinions?

Mark Williams-Thomas @ mwilliamsthomas

"Over the past few weeks I have been working on identifying the user that called the #MadeleineMcCann suspect #ChristianBrückner on the evening Madeleine dissappeared. I have established very significant information which has been shared with German police."

splinter65 · 17-07-2020 08:55AM

Day Lewin wrote: »

From twitter: opinions?

Mark Williams-Thomas @ mwilliamsthomas

"Over the past few weeks I have been working on identifying the user that called the #MadeleineMcCann suspect #ChristianBrückner on the evening Madeleine dissappeared. I have established very significant information which has been shared with German police."

Hopefully it’ll be something to at least keep this c**t in prison if not hammer another nail into the German polices case against him re Madeleine.

MonsterCookie · 17-07-2020 09:04AM

Day Lewin wrote: »

From twitter: opinions?

Mark Williams-Thomas @ mwilliamsthomas

"Over the past few weeks I have been working on identifying the user that called the #MadeleineMcCann suspect #ChristianBrückner on the evening Madeleine dissappeared. I have established very significant information which has been shared with German police."

never sure what to make of these claims, thanks for sharing.

lets hope it leads to something.

didn't know much of him:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Williams-Thomas

OwlsZat · 17-07-2020 09:05AM

Fair play to Mark Williams Thomas. CB is a derrranged individual and deserves locking up a long time.

Wombatman · 17-07-2020 09:25AM

Day Lewin wrote: »

From twitter: opinions?

Mark Williams-Thomas @ mwilliamsthomas

"Over the past few weeks I have been working on identifying the user that called the #MadeleineMcCann suspect #ChristianBrückner on the evening Madeleine dissappeared. I have established very significant information which has been shared with German police."

Gerry was the caller :eek:

Surely what some on here are hoping to hear.

splinter65 · 17-07-2020 10:22AM

Wombatman wrote: »

Gerry was the caller :eek:
Surely what some on here are hoping to hear.

I think they know that that’s not what they’re going to hear, but if it’s not Gerry then it’s just a question of either connecting that person to Gerry by some hilariously complicated series of random connections, or simply claiming that it’s all a huge conspiracy of some kind and the unfortunate German rapist is just a patsy.

Day Lewin · 17-07-2020 11:33AM

I have no idea who it was - it could be Mr McCann, it could be the local pizza delivery, it could be the confederate on the premises who tipped off CB that the coast was clear: (remember, he is known to have been a habitual, skilled and careful burglar of holiday apartments.)

Lets not make assumptions or guess what others will think.

But let's not forget that police detectives never - but never - reveal all their information to the Press and public.
(I wouldn't either, if I was them)

Plumbthedepths · 17-07-2020 11:50AM

Day Lewin wrote: »

Lets not make assumptions or guess what others will think.

Excellent comment, unfortunately it will be ignored by at least one poster here.

flasher0030 · 17-07-2020 12:56PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Excellent comment, unfortunately it will be ignored by at least one poster here.

Plumb. You're hilarious. Only few comments back that you came out with this:-

"I still believe the child never left the apartment alive, the dogs reactions in the apartment are too important to ignore imo why Gerry and Kate were so dismissive is strange. Their behaviour in the aftermath was strange. The timeline of events is a tough one even the experts cannot present a credible one to either prove innocence or guilt".

"Personally I think it's time to take another close look at the McCanns and their wider circle as it existed in 2007."

Assuming that there is credibility with the dogs. When, after a police investigation, it was concluded that there was noting in it. You're the king of assumptions. But hey - you're just keeping an open mind!! Right :rolleyes::rolleyes:;)

dark crystal · 17-07-2020 12:59PM

Day Lewin wrote: »

From twitter: opinions?

Mark Williams-Thomas @ mwilliamsthomas

"Over the past few weeks I have been working on identifying the user that called the #MadeleineMcCann suspect #ChristianBrückner on the evening Madeleine dissappeared. I have established very significant information which has been shared with German police."

Yeah, I saw this earlier. It would, of course, be great if this info provided that missing link the police were waiting for in the Madeleine case, although, as others have said, let's hope whatever information he has gathered keeps this scumbag in custody a bit longer. He should never be anywhere near the public. He is a danger to everyone, old and young.

splinter65 · 17-07-2020 01:14PM

dark crystal wrote: »

Yeah, I saw this earlier. It would, of course, be great if this info provided that missing link the police were waiting for in the Madeleine case, although, as others have said, let's hope whatever information he has gathered keeps this scumbag in custody a bit longer. He should never be anywhere near the public. He is a danger to everyone, old and young.

If he does get out I think he’s going to find it a lot harder to travel around without being noticed unless he develops a disguise. His face has been all over the papers all over the EU for weeks.
I think (I hope) his days of parking up the camper van in order to spread more misery are over.

Madeleine McCann

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