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Madeleine McCann

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭OwlsZat


    Any chance the Met decided not to investigate the McCanns as they realised it would be a ridiculously stupid waste of time?

    It would be a ridiculously stupid way to investigate a case to start off by eliminating a prime suspect. Does anyone else know any other similar case?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    You watch his interview with Martin Brunt of Sky News?


    Yep seen it before.


    He got a phone call.

    He was unoffically told
    You wouldn't be happy leading an investigation where you were told what you could look at and what you could not"..


    Brunt then asked what did he think the call was about.

    Sutton then went to speculate what that what he thought it meant meant.

    Sutton speculated it may be to do with the Parents and the Tapas 7

    As he was never officially involved in Operation Grange and was retired before it happened, he is speculating .

    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Yep seen it before.


    He got a phone call.

    He was unoffically told


    Brunt then asked what did he think the call was about.

    Sutton then went to speculate what that what he thought it meant meant.

    Sutton speculated it may be to do with the Parents and the Tapas 7

    As he was never officially involved in Operation Grange and was retired before it happened, he is speculating .

    Sorry the laughter won't allow me type a reasoned reply. Keep it up . ;-)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    Sure the link is on the last page, he’s a Senior detective he’s not saying it for the craic like. You can’t question that, otherwise he would of taken the job as he was in line for it.

    There’s other alternatives though, maybe his ‘friend’ told him this because he didn’t want Sutton to take the job. Maybe his ‘friend’ was being a little over the top in how he was describing what would happen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    Rock77 wrote: »
    I would be quite interested in reading it and I’d probably have some good questions for you about it.

    The last time I asked people for a theory I did state that it doesn’t have to be what you think happened, it just has to be a possibility...

    Right just a quick thought process, okay Madeline is collected from the crèche at 5:30pm, Kate brings them to the house for food and change of clothes, Madeline is her usual boisterous self and Kate is trying to mind the twins and get them ready for bed too but Madeline is acting the maggot and super wound up Runs up onto the sofa but slips and bangs her head fatally, David Payne comes up to check on Kate n the kids, here where the discrepancy lies with (Kate saying he was there for 30 secs but Gerry says 30 mins) so David returns after trying to date Madeline but fails so he gets Gerry. So Payne is Gerrys closet mate so they say in panic we could lose our licence if Madeline is found dead and in a panic they plan to get rid of Madeleines body. The twins are given calpol strong enough to put them to sleep. So they hatch a plan to get rid of the body later in the night and move her body to the press ( where the dog alerted) So when Gerry goes to check but didn’t go into the room on his last check ( cause he knows she’s dead so just trying to plan how to get her out) I’ll continue


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    I think he was banned from investigating certain aspects though. Uh Oh. Wonder why.

    Why do you think he would have been banned from investigating certain aspects? It’s just that your post reads like you have a theory..

    Let’s say the Met did decide the parents were not to be investigated, why would they decide this? In your opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,193 ✭✭✭screamer


    So it seems the investigation into the German guy is to be dropped, quelle surprise. But, just because there’s a lack of evidence doesn’t mean someone is innocent either. I do think he’s a patsy in all this. I still think we’ll never find out whatever happened to poor Madeline nor find her either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    Sorry the laughter won't allow me type a reasoned reply. Keep it up . ;-)

    That about sums you up pefectly...Thanks ;-)

    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    The mental gymnastics here are Olympic quality. Said it earlier certainly warrants saying again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,130 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    OwlsZat wrote: »
    It would be a ridiculously stupid way to investigate a case to start off by eliminating a prime suspect. Does anyone else know any other similar case?

    Who was the last person to see them alive is de riguer in deaths/murders. But not this time.

    The Portuguese Police were blamed for making the parents Arguidos. From the British Press of course.

    Not saying that they had anything to do with the girl's disappearance, but it is a usual starting point in any investigation like this.

    British Press castigated the Portuguese Police from day one, made them out to bumbling Cleausous. It really was despicable.

    Friends in high places indeed.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭OwlsZat


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Leaves the thread at squeaky bum time for the tormentors of the McCanns, hides under the covers for a little while, peaks out and sees a headline on the Mail, jumps to conclusions (and not for the first time) wipes sweat from brow (whoa that was a near miss!!) re enters thread. Top class.

    Well done on the amusing post! Sorry for my own rhetoric, in past threads I spent countless posts trying to decipher the case post the Netflix documentay and the Maddie podcast only to be stonewall with the most irrational nonsense, even people quoting Kate's book! Anyways whatever you think the conduct of the German prosecutor suggests more is going on than just the CB angle.IMHO he would hardly be lying in public if that was the case.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    So at 10ish Kate leaves out a scream saying they’ve taken her she’s gone but it was Gerry who took her as seen by The Smyths, so he hids her in a place and moves her a few days later, moved her another few times and lastly moves her when they rang the car which (the dogs again alerted to her scent) they bury her in a forest or in a well n leave the back door of the car open for a few days and nights to get rid of the smell of the dead body (which their in laws comment on while using the rented car) that is the timeline you’re looking at if it needs to show if Madeline died accidentally .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    That about sums you up pefectly...Thanks ;-)

    I'm hurt...nah joking. Its funny how you attempt to dismiss a DCI with 30 years experience, it would be impressive except it's not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    Rock77 wrote: »
    There’s other alternatives though, maybe his ‘friend’ told him this because he didn’t want Sutton to take the job. Maybe his ‘friend’ was being a little over the top in how he was describing what would happen.

    Ah his friend would of outlined reasons plus The McCanns were backers of the Operation so I very much doubt they would back any investigation that suspected or investigated them anymore.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,130 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Come back next year for another theory.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Come back next year for another theory.

    Indeed but under no circumstances suggest the McCanns were at fault.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,130 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    So at 10ish Kate leaves out a scream saying they’ve taken her she’s gone but it was Gerry who took her as seen by The Smyths, so he hids her in a place and moves her a few days later, moved her another few times and lastly moves her when they rang the car which (the dogs again alerted to her scent) they bury her in a forest or in a well n leave the back door of the car open for a few days and nights to get rid of the smell of the dead body (which their in laws comment on while using the rented car) that is the timeline you’re looking at if it needs to show if Madeline died accidentally .

    The big bins, the bins. God Almighty the bins.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,695 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    So at 10ish Kate leaves out a scream saying they’ve taken her she’s gone but it was Gerry who took her as seen by The Smyths, so he hids her in a place and moves her a few days later, moved her another few times and lastly moves her when they rang the car which (the dogs again alerted to her scent) they bury her in a forest or in a well n leave the back door of the car open for a few days and nights to get rid of the smell of the dead body (which their in laws comment on while using the rented car) that is the timeline you’re looking at if it needs to show if Madeline died accidentally .

    this is the first i have heard this. any link to that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,130 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Indeed but under no circumstances suggest the McCanns were at fault.

    There is no evidence that they were not at fault.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    this is the first i have heard this. any link to that

    I think it was in the Oz Podcast but it makes them too. I’ll try find it.

    There ya go

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/meaww.com/amp/madeleine-mc-cann-family-rental-car-boot-left-open-strange-unpleasant-smell-amaral-detective-podcast


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    I'm hurt...nah joking. Its funny how you attempt to dismiss a DCI with 30 years experience, it would be impressive except it's not.

    I'm not dismissing what he said about receiving a phone call about an investigation that did not happen while he was still on the force.

    In the phone call he was told "You wouldn't be happy leading an investigation where you were told what you could look at and what you could not".

    That is the totality of the advice I received. It was made clear that this was an ‘unofficial’ call and that it was made in my interest – so that I might not end up taking on a task which would ultimately frustrate me. As such I never pressed the caller for more information, nor will I ever be in a position to disclose who the officer was.


    That was in 2010

    Operation Grange started 2011

    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    So at 10ish Kate leaves out a scream saying they’ve taken her she’s gone but it was Gerry who took her as seen by The Smyths, so he hids her in a place and moves her a few days later, moved her another few times and lastly moves her when they rang the car which (the dogs again alerted to her scent) they bury her in a forest or in a well n leave the back door of the car open for a few days and nights to get rid of the smell of the dead body (which their in laws comment on while using the rented car) that is the timeline you’re looking at if it needs to show if Madeline died accidentally .

    Few things spring to mind.. so David Payne goes to get Gerry who is playing tennis.. tells him his daughter is dead and convinced him that the best thing to do is dispose of the body... can’t see past this really.

    Gerry carries her body and hides it so well that the police can’t find her in days, then with the world watching them, he moves the body another few times... then they finally get a rental car (can’t remember but wasn’t it a long before they rented the car)

    I suppose it’s possible.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    Right just a quick thought process, okay Madeline is collected from the crèche at 5:30pm, Kate brings them to the house for food and change of clothes, Madeline is her usual boisterous self and Kate is trying to mind the twins and get them ready for bed too but Madeline is acting the maggot and super wound up Runs up onto the sofa but slips and bangs her head fatally, David Payne comes up to check on Kate n the kids, here where the discrepancy lies with (Kate saying he was there for 30 secs but Gerry says 30 mins) so David returns after trying to date Madeline but fails so he gets Gerry. So Payne is Gerrys closet mate so they say in panic we could lose our licence if Madeline is found dead and in a panic they plan to get rid of Madeleines body. The twins are given calpol strong enough to put them to sleep. So they hatch a plan to get rid of the body later in the night and move her body to the press ( where the dog alerted) So when Gerry goes to check but didn’t go into the room on his last check ( cause he knows she’s dead so just trying to plan how to get her out) I’ll continue

    Sorry but this is rediculous. Whether you have kids or not I don't know and don't care but anyone who does, and reads this, knows that it's absolute waffle.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    There is no evidence that they were not at fault.

    You can't say that, they are most definitely not at fault. Sure doesn't everyone that has toddlers leave them alone for several hours a night while on holidays and go on the vino 77 metres away (with the doors unlocked) with their mates.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,130 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    The little girl is dead. RIP

    The parents didn't take care of her. The twins survived though. Wonder how that happened?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Rock77 wrote: »
    Not sure about the dna...

    I’ve asks numerous times for someone to come up with a timeline theory of the parents being involved. Nobody ever has.

    I’ve asked repeatedly across many dark places including this thread. Nada zilch nothing.
    Imagine believing something happened but not knowing how where when why or who was involved.
    That’s the level of denial and delusion needed to continue to insist that the McCanns are guilty of allowing her to die/killing her disposing off and hiding her body.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,130 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    You can't say that, they are most definitely not at fault. Sure doesn't everyone that has toddlers leave them alone for several hours a night while on holidays and go on the vino 77 metres away (with the doors unlocked) with their mates.

    I could not publicly thank a post like this. But I agree with you. So right.

    So sorry for the poor little baby 3 years old,


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    splinter65 wrote: »
    I’ve asked repeatedly across many dark places including this thread. Nada zilch nothing.

    Maybe noone wants to engage with you? Just a thought.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    Rock77 wrote: »
    Few things spring to mind.. so David Payne goes to get Gerry who is playing tennis.. tells him his daughter is dead and convinced him that the best thing to do is dispose of the body... can’t see past this really.

    Gerry carries her body and hides it so well that the police can’t find her in days, then with the world watching them, he moves the body another few times... then they finally get a rental car (can’t remember but wasn’t it a long before they rented the car)

    I suppose it’s possible.....

    David Payne can be removed and just them involved (everyone must have read the post we started this convo on before calling me a looney or whatever, we are playing devils advocate) trying to show a possible timeline or that it’s improbable. Anyway it could of been the accident we all spoke of after the dogs alerted to behind the couch then the wardrobe/storage area would go with the evidence of the dogs. She could of been hidden in plain sight and possibly put in a well that very night in a state of panic, ppl are known have done the craziest things for self preservation.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Rock77


    Ah his friend would of outlined reasons plus The McCanns were backers of the Operation so I very much doubt they would back any investigation that suspected or investigated them anymore.

    Not according to Sutton, he says his friend just told him he would be told where he could and couldn’t go. That’s it.

    I’m not sure how any investigation would go if one avenue was totally closed off. It’s just not how they work, they start at the beginning and work from there, the evidence, statements, facts lead the way... at what point does the detective say ‘right stop now, that’s implicating the parents, throw that evidence out and start again.

    Why do you think the Met would decide to tell detectives they are not allowed investigate the parents ?


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