FF/FG/Green Next Government

Podge_irl · 08-07-2020 02:24PM

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

It confuses me how MM & Leo Varadkar can villify SF for the state of NI atm while simultaneously showing 0 interest in actually working towards a united Ireland whereby the purse strings wouldn't be controlled by the HOC and we could breathe a new lease of life into the more disadvantaged areas up the north. NI leaving the EU doesn't benefit anyone, hence why the people of NI voted to remain within the EU.

By doing what exactly?

A UI referendum is, in essence, not in our government's hands. It is in the SOS for NI's hands. So committing to one would be pretty stupid.

LawBoy2018 · 08-07-2020 02:32PM

Podge_irl wrote: »

By doing what exactly?

A UI referendum is, in essence, not in our government's hands. It is in the SOS for NI's hands. So committing to one would be pretty stupid.

By actually building towards a UI and figuring out how to handle the problems associated with a UI that he cited in the Dáil.

He could do so by speaking to Thomas Byrne who actually debated in favour of uniting Ireland in Oxford university last year, outlining why we are, in fact, ready to do so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpn1PxytHJI

James Brown · 08-07-2020 02:34PM

Podge_irl wrote: »

By doing what exactly?

A UI referendum is, in essence, not in our government's hands. It is in the SOS for NI's hands. So committing to one would be pretty stupid.

More of this, but cross community:

Normalise the north/south connection.

Podge_irl · 08-07-2020 02:40PM

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

By actually building towards a UI and figuring out how to handle the problems associated with a UI that he cited in the Dáil.

He could do so by speaking to Thomas Byrne who actually debated in favour of uniting Ireland in Oxford university last year, outlining why we are, in fact, ready to do so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpn1PxytHJI

Ireland readiness or not for a UI is still essentially utterly irrelevant to the topic of a UI referendum. It is not within our power to call one (or at least, not within our power to call one with any legitimacy or purpose) and there is no indication of one happening in NI any time soon. I don't know what "building towards a UI" actually means in this context but its going to be pretty difficult to figure out hoe to handle the problems without engagement with NI - ALL of NI - and that also isn't about to happen.

I mean, the govt have spent quite a bit of time ensuring that as things stand the NI-Ire border is a smoother one than the NI-GB border. That seems like pretty good work in this context.

ELM327 · 08-07-2020 02:42PM

Bowie wrote: »

More of this, but cross community:

Normalise the north/south connection.

I'm a FG voter but photo ops like that make me feel sick.

08-07-2020 02:47PM

ELM327 wrote: »

I'm a FG voter but photo ops like that make me feel sick.

In a united Ireland the DUP would sit in the Dail. There's always been O.O. lodges north and south.

Unionist parties would have considerable influence.

Brendan Bendar · 08-07-2020 02:48PM

ELM327 wrote: »

I'm a FG voter but photo ops like that make me feel sick.

Whooooooy?

ELM327 · 08-07-2020 02:49PM

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

In a united Ireland the DUP would sit in the Dail. There's always been O.O. lodges north and south.

Unionist parties would have considerable influence.

There was unionist representation in the election of 1918 too. That's fine. As a defender of democracy they can have as many seats in the dáil as their voter base demands.

ELM327 · 08-07-2020 02:50PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Whooooooy?

Because the LOL are a body behind a foreign invader.

McMurphy · 08-07-2020 02:54PM

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

Also, will the Heather Humphreys scandal be bigger and more destructive than Barry Cowen's situation? What an absolute spanner. The Greens will be watching very closely...

Did I imagine things, or did I read that Heather Humphreys "delivered the letter"?

Personally like? By hand yeah?

LawBoy2018 · 08-07-2020 02:57PM

Podge_irl wrote: »

Ireland readiness or not for a UI is still essentially utterly irrelevant to the topic of a UI referendum. It is not within our power to call one (or at least, not within our power to call one with any legitimacy or purpose) and there is no indication of one happening in NI any time soon. I don't know what "building towards a UI" actually means in this context but its going to be pretty difficult to figure out hoe to handle the problems without engagement with NI - ALL of NI - and that also isn't about to happen.

I mean, the govt have spent quite a bit of time ensuring that as things stand the NI-Ire border is a smoother one than the NI-GB border. That seems like pretty good work in this context.

You say that there's no indication of a border poll in NI for the foreseeable, but I would disagree that assertion. Northern Ireland are on the brink of a 'deep and prolonged economic downturn' and they are also due to be ripped from the EU, despite voting to remain. The outlook in NI for the next decade seems bleak to say the least.

Why would anyone other than a loyalist vote against a united Ireland if it meant that they'd have a better chance of prosperity for the next decade?

The outcome of the 2021 census in NI will be very interesting indeed.

https://www.irishnews.com/business/2020/06/17/news/northern-ireland-faces-a-deep-and-prolonged-economic-downturn--1977017/

LawBoy2018 · 08-07-2020 03:00PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Did I imagine things, or did I read that Heather Humphreys "delivered the letter"?

Personally like? By hand yeah?

That was the language used anyways but I'd say we'll find out more in the coming weeks.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/official-blows-whistle-on-animal-cruelty-case-dropped-after-heather-humphreys-letter-5dlzb6h6g

Bishop of hope · 08-07-2020 03:21PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Did I imagine things, or did I read that Heather Humphreys "delivered the letter"?

Personally like? By hand yeah?

This is an explanation from February, it seem this isn't a new allegation as its been on before, I could remember reading it at the time and it seemed to die off at that stage.
Humphreys claims it wasn't her letter, but a letter she received from a constituent that she passed on to the depot of agriculture.
Make of it what you will after that.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/humphreys-did-not-interfere-in-dropped-animal-cruelty-case-1.4175681%3fmode=amp

BonnieSituation · 08-07-2020 03:30PM

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

Was MM rejecting the notion of a united Ireland referendum during his term the final shred of FF's core values/principles? In my view, they now stand for absolutely nothing.

I missed that. Link?

Seems odd given a unity unit in his department was part of the PfG.

dundalkfc10 · 08-07-2020 03:33PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

I missed that. Link?

Seems odd given a unity unit in his department was part of the PfG.

They have already said yesterday they couldn't and would not put a cap on affordable housing, even though that was in their manifesto.

Professor Moriarty · 08-07-2020 03:36PM

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

You say that there's no indication of a border poll in NI for the foreseeable, but I would disagree that assertion. Northern Ireland are on the brink of a 'deep and prolonged economic downturn' and they are also due to be ripped from the EU, despite voting to remain. The outlook in NI for the next decade seems bleak to say the least.

Why would anyone other than a loyalist vote against a united Ireland if it meant that they'd have a better chance of prosperity for the next decade?

The outcome of the 2021 census in NI will be very interesting indeed.

https://www.irishnews.com/business/2020/06/17/news/northern-ireland-faces-a-deep-and-prolonged-economic-downturn--1977017/

We are facing a deficit of 26 billion this year. Before Brexit hits next year. It will take years for the economy to recover. How much would a United Ireland add to that deficit on a yearly basis?

BonnieSituation · 08-07-2020 03:37PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

When we have the economy back in shape, the pandemic under control, a proper climate change policy and Brexit behind us, then would should start looking towards the possibility of a referendum. We don't need the distraction now.

The lead up to a referendum bees to be discussed.

The point of the Unity unit is to prepare the ground work.

Reunification has a bearing on the economy, the environment, Brexit and the pandemic. If anything it is remiss to ignore it until "everything else is sorted".

BonnieSituation · 08-07-2020 03:40PM

Podge_irl wrote: »

Ireland readiness or not for a UI is still essentially utterly irrelevant to the topic of a UI referendum. It is not within our power to call one (or at least, not within our power to call one with any legitimacy or purpose) and there is no indication of one happening in NI any time soon. I don't know what "building towards a UI" actually means in this context but its going to be pretty difficult to figure out hoe to handle the problems without engagement with NI - ALL of NI - and that also isn't about to happen.

I mean, the govt have spent quite a bit of time ensuring that as things stand the NI-Ire border is a smoother one than the NI-GB border. That seems like pretty good work in this context.

How much more engagement should we have with beligerent Unionists' who actively deride amd ignore any discussions on the islands future and economy?

Some time you just have to move on without the toddlers.

Professor Moriarty · 08-07-2020 03:41PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

The lead up to a referendum bees to be discussed.

The point of the Unity unit is to prepare the ground work.

Reunification has a bearing on the economy, the environment, Brexit and the pandemic. If anything it is remiss to ignore it until "everything else is sorted".

It would be remiss to pay it any attention until more important issues are sorted. While the economy is in free fall and we are coping with a pandemic, it's a meaningless sideshow.

Truthvader · 08-07-2020 03:49PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

The lead up to a referendum bees to be discussed.

The point of the Unity unit is to prepare the ground work.

Reunification has a bearing on the economy, the environment, Brexit and the pandemic. If anything it is remiss to ignore it until "everything else is sorted".

Only mad people want reunification. It is some kind of Gaelic fantasy wonderland where deluded people think that all their problems will be solved forever "if only we had a united Ireland." Moreover thanks to Uncle Gerry and the lads in Sinn Fein IRA it is now a toxic and infected product that will take another 100 years to recover any attraction.

The reality is that Norn Iron is a vast dysfunctional money pit controlled by two identical tribes that hate each other currently being bought off by the Brits who are the only people that can afford it

You only have to read the posts of the United Ireland mob here to know what it would bring. And don't forget the Loyalist crowd don't even contribute here

dundalkfc10 · 08-07-2020 03:51PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Only mad people want reunification. It is some kind of Gaelic fantasy wonderland where deluded people think that all their problems will be solved forever "if only we had a united Ireland." Moreover thanks to Uncle Gerry and the lads in Sinn Fein IRA it is now a toxic and infected product that will take another 100 years to recover any attraction.

The reality is that Norn Iron is a vast dysfunctional money pit controlled by two identical tribes that hate each other currently being bought off by the Brits who are the only people that can afford it

You only have to read the posts of the United Ireland mob here to know what it would bring. And don't forget the Loyalist crowd don't even contribute here

One of your bigger LIES

BonnieSituation · 08-07-2020 03:53PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

It would be remiss to pay it any attention until more important issues are sorted. While the economy is in free fall and we are coping with a pandemic, it's a meaningless sideshow.

It most certainly is not meaningless.

Professor Moriarty · 08-07-2020 03:59PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

It most certainly is not meaningless.

In the current context, it is. Plus it would exacerbate an economic crisis.

markodaly · 08-07-2020 04:01PM

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

In a united Ireland the DUP would sit in the Dail. There's always been O.O. lodges north and south.

Unionist parties would have considerable influence.

The DUP could well hold the balance of power in a new Dail. Put it this way, in the Irish PRSTV system they would return about 20 seats.

Professor Moriarty · 08-07-2020 04:02PM

markodaly wrote: »

The DUP could well hold the balance of power in a new Dail. Put it this way, in the Irish PRSTV system they would return about 20 seats.

Can you imagine Edwin Poots campaigning to become a TD? Or his party?

08-07-2020 04:04PM

Maybe. There are lots of things we thought we would never see. Thats politics.

Professor Moriarty · 08-07-2020 04:06PM

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Maybe. There are lots of things we thought we would never see. Thats politics.

Maybe. Can't see it myself.

FrancieBrady · 08-07-2020 04:18PM

Leo is 'satisfied' that Cowen can stay. He has served his sentence and all should be forgotten.

Interesting.

Brendan Bendar · 08-07-2020 04:51PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Leo is 'satisfied' that Cowen can stay. He has served his sentence and all should be forgotten.

Interesting.

Mary Lou happy with the Storey ‘funeral’ to a non existent graveyard and all should be forgotten.

Very interesting.

dundalkfc10 · 08-07-2020 04:56PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Mary Lou happy with the Storey ‘funeral’ to a non existent graveyard and all should be forgotten.

Very interesting.

Nothing got to do with Cowan, Typical reply though, but but Sinn Fein

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