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Intellectuals weigh in on Cancel Culture

  • 07-07-2020 10:46pm
    #1
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    "Intellectuals" are speaking up...150 of them are anyway, including Salman Rushdie, JK Rowling....they warn us of the dangers illiberalism that is creeping into our society and culture, the intolerance.

    Anyway, it is nice for all these liberals to tell us what many have been pointing out for years, but the fact that they point to the danger of Donald Trump and his threat to democracy as an example (they don't explain exactly how he is a threat to democracy) is in of itself an illiberal statement to make....but it's odd in that Trump's speech on July forth was in complete agreement with them...they probably watched the CNN/Bloomberg/MSNBC/NYT etc version.

    When will the penny finally drop with these intellectual liberals that it is they that have created, participated in, profited from, and either encouraged or did nothing to stop this culture gaining a foothold in academia, media and the arts over the last decade at least.

    They mention "the right" a couple of times, they neglect to identify or even mention the people pulling down statues, rioting, protesting demanding allegiance to what is a hard left political movement (BLM) at this very moment in time.

    Feminism (this wave)/SJW culture is rooted in hard left ideology which US academia is drenched in, what did they think was going to happen?

    https://harpers.org/a-letter-on-justice-and-open-debate/


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  • #2
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    These organisations are private, capitalist, businesses with hierarchical power structures, what have you got against free market? You wouldn't be a filthy Marxist calling for a more horizontal control of enterprise would you?


  • #3
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,306 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    I personally think Trump is a threat to democracy.

    He continues to push the unfounded claims of millions of illegals voting (3-5 million ..which his own commission has said is nonsense) (it will be handy if he loses) all the while Pence and his wife voted by mail...by using an address they haven't lived at for 4+ years.

    All the while gerrymandering continues unabated.
    Plus polling places in predominantly black areas have also been slashed massively.


  • #4
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Both ends of the spectrum are problematic. The middle ground, where the vast majority of people reside, has lost ground to the extremists. Anti intellectualism, feelings over facts, witch hunts, divisive rhetoric.

    It's ugly.


  • #5
    Gods Gift
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭Gods Gift


    Weigh in.


  • #6
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    The American culture 'wars' are confusing, sad, and a sign of a very broken society.

    I'd like to think that the wonderful EU project will continue to display what has been the most successful humanity project that the world has ever seen.

    We are the 1%, dudes. The most educated, lucky, wealthy, peaceful, and content people who have ever existed.


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  • #7
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    All Empires fall.


  • #8
    RWCNT
    Registered Users Posts: 1,430 ✭✭✭RWCNT


    Can someone explain to me how the hard left takeover of higher education took place exactly?

    I'm not long out of higher education myself and my lecturers mainly stuck to the syllabus around business management and economics. Was the lecturer tapping out The Communist Manifesto in morse code on his desk the whole time and I just didn't notice?


  • #9
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    RWCNT wrote: »
    Can someone explain to me how the hard left takeover of higher education took place exactly?

    I'm not long out of higher education myself and my lecturers mainly stuck to the syllabus around business management and economics. Was the lecturer tapping out The Communist Manifesto in morse code on his desk the whole time and I just didn't notice?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_long_march_through_the_institutions

    It's not a conspiracy and its not organised but it is a problem.

    something like 8 or 9 out 10 teachers and lecturers in the UK are labour voters. Nothing wrong with being a labour voter but when its quite out of step with the general population i think there's an issue. How much indoctrination is happening?


  • #10
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    "This stifling atmosphere will ultimately harm the most vital causes of our time. The restriction of debate, whether by a repressive government or an intolerant society, invariably hurts those who lack power and makes everyone less capable of democratic participation."


  • #11
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    They're sharks. They smell blood in the water, so they're throwing out their opinions. They'll swing another direction if they smell blood elsewhere. ie. money/attention.

    As Silentcorner said, they've been notably silent while normal people online were talking about it all, but now they decide to make some kind of stand? (although I suspect they're still humming and hawing over many issues, or being remarkably vague in others... seems they're more political than being concerned with social issues)

    Meh. Intellectuals are for the most part a thing of the past. Instead, we've got economists who have a better clue about what's going on, and are willing to make some kind of stand.


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  • #12
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    It's at the stage that in the US in particular, you could do real damage to yourself in you go to university, besides the high college fees and associated debt that is...

    Can anyone way in with a suggestion on how I correct the thread title?


  • #13
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    I think they are right. Maybe we should have seen it sooner. I didn't. I thought it was just crazy people on Twitter.

    Maybe if those that are considered more left wing or "liberal" say it there will be more push back against the mass hysteria that is going on.

    Are you angry that they agree with you? Or is this I told you so?

    Fair enough, I hope many people on the left are realising what's happening and try and stop it.


  • #14
    lalababa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭lalababa


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_long_march_through_the_institutions

    It's not a conspiracy and its not organised but it is a problem.

    something like 8 or 9 out 10 teachers and lecturers in the UK are labour voters. Nothing wrong with being a labour voter but when its quite out of step with the general population i think there's an issue. How much indoctrination is happening?

    The Tories have been running down the educational system over the last 15 years by slowly making it all but private...academy schools... Lowest buck wins. Tis of absolute no wonder why (if true) the educators are voting labour.


  • #15
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    lalababa wrote: »
    The Tories have been running down the educational system over the last 15 years by slowly making it all but private...academy schools... Lowest buck wins. Tis of absolute no wonder why (if true) the educators are voting labour.
    Yeah I get that


  • #16
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    Deleted User wrote: »
    As Silentcorner said, they've been notably silent while normal people online were talking about it all, but now they decide to make some kind of stand? (although I suspect they're still humming and hawing over many issues, or being remarkably vague in others... seems they're more political than being concerned with social issues)

    To be fair you had a group of intellectuals (IDW) professing about this stuff for a long time. They were smeared with all sorts of names, racist, sexist, grifters etc.. etc..

    E.g. Sam Harris, Jordan Peterson, Brett & Eric Weinstein, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Claire Lehmann, Douglas Murray, Maajid Nawaz, Steven Pinker, Michael Shermer, etc.. etc..


  • #17
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    2u2me wrote: »
    To be fair you had a group of intellectuals (IDW) professing about this stuff for a long time. They were smeared with all sorts of names, racist, sexist, grifters etc.. etc..

    E.g. Sam Harris, Jordan Peterson, Brett & Eric Weinstein, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Claire Lehmann, Douglas Murray, Maajid Nawaz, Steven Pinker, Michael Shermer, etc.. etc..


    Peterson is the worst sort of spoofer. I wouldn't have him in the same sentence as Harris or Pinker.


  • #18
    Yellow_Fern
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,612 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    RWCNT wrote: »
    Can someone explain to me how the hard left takeover of higher education took place exactly?

    I'm not long out of higher education myself and my lecturers mainly stuck to the syllabus around business management and economics. Was the lecturer tapping out The Communist Manifesto in morse code on his desk the whole time and I just didn't notice?

    A lot of Irish third level institutions are very vocational oriented, but you still plenty egregious examples. To apply for a grant with the Irish research council you are pressured to make a gender statement, regardless of what field you are in. Many and all UCD hires now are marked during assessment on their diversity. We have centres of equality studies, gender studies and black studies. We have vice presidents of diversity in most of them now. I would say Irish universities have been left wing for decades, but incrementally have moved from Cultural liberalism to intolerantly progressive.


  • #19
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Peterson is the worst sort of spoofer. I wouldn't have have in the same sentence as Harris or Pinker.

    I'd say he had a greater impact on contemporary culture as an intellectual than the other two.

    His opposition to compelled speech and cancel culture resonated with people.


  • #20
    emo72
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭emo72


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Peterson is the worst sort of spoofer. I wouldn't have have in the same sentence as Harris or Pinker.

    I on the the other hand think Peterson is great. Never heard a bad word out of his mouth.


  • #21
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,134 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Gods Gift wrote: »
    Weigh in.
    Its a very impressive Darwin to start of a thread about "intellectuals"


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  • #22
    Yellow_Fern
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,612 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Peterson is the worst sort of spoofer. I wouldn't have have in the same sentence as Harris or Pinker.

    He has over 13,000 citations in academic papers. He has a H index of 54. https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=wL1F22UAAAAJ&hl=en&oi=ao

    You cant fake that. You can't to that without being in a top percentile of academics.

    Steven Pinker is brilliant, but fundamentally he isnt as multidisciplinary, like Peterson. Not lesser or anything but different.


  • #23
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,729 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    RWCNT wrote: »
    Can someone explain to me how the hard left takeover of higher education took place exactly?

    I'm not long out of higher education myself and my lecturers mainly stuck to the syllabus around business management and economics. Was the lecturer tapping out The Communist Manifesto in morse code on his desk the whole time and I just didn't notice?

    In business and economics it would not be so evident.


  • #24
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Its a very impressive Darwin to start of a thread about "intellectuals"

    Start off.


  • #25
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    2u2me wrote: »
    I'd say he had a greater impact on contemporary culture as an intellectual than the other two.

    His opposition to compelled speech and cancel culture resonated with people.

    I agree. I don't like him or some of his ideas however he has resonated with a lot of people and has raised interesting questions.


  • #26
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,134 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    Start off.

    I didnt want to appear lefty/unintellectual so I thought best to misspell ;)


  • #27
    Silentcorner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    pjohnson wrote: »
    I didnt want to appear lefty/unintellectual so I thought best to misspell ;)

    I did the same once...I think I got away with it!!


  • #28
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Peterson's political waffling is hilariously bad. Lobster behaviour means hierarchy in humans is 'natural' and postmodern Neo-Marxists have taken over the academia etc?

    It's just a load of age-old reactionary guff repackaged and sold to people with views they want confirmed by a 'credible' academic.


  • #29
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    Do you still agree with this post Tom?
    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    Sorry I find it difficult to give a shite about internal US College politics six thousand miles away and I find it odd that you do as a non-American.

    Also, you seem to be citing very tenuously linked events like newspaper articles about the IDW and a college professor and then inferring a grand conspiracy by a 'leftist faction' - you're joining random dots to try to make out a word that isn't there i.e. 'conspiracy'.

    Do you think the worldwide protests, riots and cultural revolution we're seeing is still a conspiracy?


  • #30
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    Peterson's political waffling is hilariously bad. Lobster behaviour means hierarchy in humans is 'natural' and postmodern Neo-Marxists have taken over the academia etc?

    It's just a load of age-old reactionary guff repackaged and sold to people with views they want confirmed by a 'credible' academic.


    I've agreed with something Paul Murphy posted on Twitter, and Junkyard Tom posted on Boards.



    What a strange day.


    :D


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  • #31
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,729 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    RWCNT wrote: »
    Can someone explain to me how the hard left takeover of higher education took place exactly?

    I'm not long out of higher education myself and my lecturers mainly stuck to the syllabus around business management and economics. Was the lecturer tapping out The Communist Manifesto in morse code on his desk the whole time and I just didn't notice?

    I don't know about "hard-left", but plenty of Greens and Labour.

    Spend time in any uni and you will see:

    diversity / inclusion
    seminars on these sorts of issues
    unconscious bias training
    bias/supports towards bogus AS
    women's studies / gender studies


  • #32
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    2u2me wrote: »
    Do you still agree with this post Tom?

    Yes.
    Do you think the worldwide protests, riots and cultural revolution we're seeing is still a conspiracy?

    No I don't. This is the same shit that was thrown around in the 1950's with McCarthyism, was repackaged for the Hippies in the 60s/70s, and it's back again with the BLM stuff.

    Reds-under-the-bed for 21st Century suckers.


  • #33
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    Yes.


    No I don't. This is the same shit that was thrown around in the 1950's with McCarthyism, was repackaged for the Hippies in the 60s/70s, and it's back again with the BLM stuff.

    Reds-under-the-bed for 21st Century suckers.


    It's back with this BLM stuff but has mixed with anarchists, neo-marxists and post-modernists. It no longer makes any sense. I hope you're right. I guess time will tell.
    “This isn’t about free speech, and this is only tangentially about college campuses. This is about a breakdown in the basic logic of civilization, and it’s spreading. College campuses may be the first dramatic battle, but of course this is going to find its way into courts. It’s already found its way into the tech sector. It’s going to find its way to the highest levels of governance, if we’re not careful. It actually does jeopardize the ability of civilization to continue to function.”


  • #34
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    2u2me wrote: »
    It's back with this BLM stuff but has mixed with anarchists, neo-marxists and post-modernists. It no longer makes any sense. I hope you're right. I guess time will tell.

    I'd say over 99% of the people at those demonstrations would have no chance of giving you a definition of neo-marxism, anarchism and post-modernism.

    YouTube's algorithm has a lot to answer for, it has people living in one of the safest, most prosperous, countries on earth i.e. Ireland terrified of some conspiracy or other.

    I was a child when there was an actual threat of global nuclear war and there might well have been reds-under-the-bed. Wealthy Germans and Dutch people bought homes in West Cork as they considered it relatively safe in the event of a nuclear exchange.

    This shit is trivial.


  • #35
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    "Intellectuals" are speaking up...150 of them are anyway, including Salman Rushdie, JK Rowling....they warn us of the dangers illiberalism that is creeping into our society and culture, the intolerance.

    Anyway, it is nice for all these liberals to tell us what many have been pointing out for years, but the fact that they point to the danger of Donald Trump and his threat to democracy as an example (they don't explain exactly how he is a threat to democracy) is in of itself an illiberal statement to make....but it's odd in that Trump's speech on July forth was in complete agreement with them...they probably watched the CNN/Bloomberg/MSNBC/NYT etc version.

    When will the penny finally drop with these intellectual liberals that it is they that have created, participated in, profited from, and either encouraged or did nothing to stop this culture gaining a foothold in academia, media and the arts over the last decade at least.

    They mention "the right" a couple of times, they neglect to identify or even mention the people pulling down statues, rioting, protesting demanding allegiance to what is a hard left political movement (BLM) at this very moment in time.

    Feminism (this wave)/SJW culture is rooted in hard left ideology which US academia is drenched in, what did they think was going to happen?

    https://harpers.org/a-letter-on-justice-and-open-debate/

    Yes I agree. The so called liberals are too right wing. Look at the U.S. Democrats. We need more socialism.


  • #36
    PonchoMcHoncho
    Closed Accounts Posts: 58 ✭✭PonchoMcHoncho


    And still they don't call it out for what it is. There's 3 or 4 mentions of the radical right being dangerous, using coercion, being intolerant and threatening open debate. And then some wishy washy ****e about it "spreading more widely in society". As if it's radical right vs society.

    The rise in intolerance and cancel culture that they're talking about is a result of more and more people moving to the radical left. And while the radical right is demonized at every opportunity (and rightly so) and as a result somewhat viewed as lunatics and kept to a minimum the radical lefties are called liberals, wider society, left etc and given credibility that they shouldn't be given.


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  • #37
    Hannibal36
    Closed Accounts Posts: 127 ✭✭Hannibal36


    Not a Trump lover in the least, but when people start saying he is a threat to democracy you know they aren't being honest with you,and are up to something underhand on some level.

    As if Hillary or Biden is going to be a whole lot different,Obama killed more people than Trump did and their economy has been booming up until Covid hit,i just don't get how anybody buys these silly accusations against Trump.

    He isn't Mother Teresa but he isn't Hitler either,hes just a greedy capitalist businessman with a massive ego,born with a silver spoon in his mouth.


  • #38
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    There is no such thing as cancel culture. Its a fantasy.

    Sure a website can ban you and if you were stupid enough to put all your eggs in one basket and bite the hand that feeds you then it can affect you.

    But saying the n word hasn't harmed trump much has it?

    People get cancelled all the time ...then the next month they have a movie coming out.

    How many times has Mel Gibson been cancelled?


  • #39
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ILoveYourVibes, I disagree with you on a lot of things. If I owned boards.ie and banned you now for your opinions, you would just accept it and call cancel culture a myth?


  • #40
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,746 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    what ever happened Kevin Myers?


  • #41
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    Deleted User wrote: »
    ILoveYourVibes, I disagree with you on a lot of things. If I owned boards.ie and banned you now for your opinions, you would just accept it and call cancel culture a myth?

    Good question, perhaps phrasing it slightly different might be more accurate.


    The familys of the victims that died in CHAZ could start a petition online to have Ilyv removed from every social media site because of what she wrote on the CHAZ thread. She was promoting it, treating it like a joke;which lead to deaths of many people. I'm sure the familys of those dead victims might be offended by what she wrote in the Chaz thread. They could easily get Ilyv banned from every social media site if they wanted to.

    Then will she say cancel culture doesn't exist?
    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    Of course the Neo Nazis are just over reacting and going nuts like they always do.

    Such angry people.

    There is little media on this. So the right wing are just making up everything.

    Thankfully real people have some common sense.


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  • #42
    Hannibal36
    Closed Accounts Posts: 127 ✭✭Hannibal36


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    what ever happened Kevin Myers?

    That was one cancel i have to say i enjoyed.Remember he wrote an article back in the day in the Indo saying the Irish weren't mechanically minded,used to grate on me bigtime how we let this guy who hated everything about Ireland to write in our paper every week,but he had his followers of Irish people who hate themselves and liked to see a guy write every week about how useless we were.

    He is one that deserved every bit of his comeuppance with his nasty bigoted generalisations,when he generalised on the Jewish people he got his much deserved cancelling.


  • #43
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Hannibal36 wrote: »
    That was one cancel i have to say i enjoyed.Remember he wrote an article back in the day in the Indo saying the Irish weren't mechanically minded,used to grate on me bigtime how we let this guy who hated everything about Ireland to write in our paper every week,but he had his followers of Irish people who hate themselves and liked to see a guy write every week about how useless we were.

    He is one that deserved every bit of his comeuppance with his nasty bigoted generalisations,when he generalised on the Jewish people he got his much deserved cancelling.


    It was only THEN he got it tho...it used to baffle me why other irish people put up with it...

    It baffles me why Irish people put up with lots of **** from our neighbors imo or certain british people living here


  • #44
    Bonniedog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    McCarthyism


    Reds-under-the-bed for 21st Century suckers.


    Lefties have been thrown this bullsh1t around for 50 years. Some facts:

    Communist Party of US not only supported the worst tyrant in history - Mao was just out of his apprenticeship at the time - but their organization was substantially under the control of Soviet intelligence, as proven by the Venona transcripts.


    Those idiots thought that stealing atomic secrets for Stalin was a good idea.

    At same time they were bleating over a few dozen reds going to jail for a few months, the system they served had millions of political prisoners and had already murdered millions.

    And so "fascist" was the US that they didn't ban this disgusting party of traitors. America needs similar cojones now to deal with what is a concerted attack by the ultra left in large part with the connivance of the Democratic Party.


  • #45
    The J Stands for Jay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,807 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    Yellow_Fern wrote: »
    A lot of Irish third level institutions are very vocational oriented, but you still plenty egregious examples. To apply for a grant with the Irish research council you are pressured to make a gender statement, regardless of what field you are in. Many and all UCD hires now are marked during assessment on their diversity. We have centres of equality studies, gender studies and black studies. We have vice presidents of diversity in most of them now. I would say Irish universities have been left wing for decades, but incrementally have moved from Cultural liberalism to intolerantly progressive.

    What's a gender statement?


  • #46
    conorhal
    Registered Users Posts: 7,004 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Just declare Twitter (with it's cancel mobs) and Facebook (with it's whisper networks) detremental to public health (and just look at mental health statistics since their launch from around 2012 onwards) and ban them.
    That would go a long way to putting the kibosh on this nonsense, it would greatly increase the mental and psychological wellbeing of society and absolutely nothing of value would be lost.


  • #47
    Jeremy Fat Sludge
    Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Jeremy Fat Sludge


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    The American culture 'wars' are confusing, sad, and a sign of a very broken society.

    I'd like to think that the wonderful EU project will continue to display what has been the most successful humanity project that the world has ever seen.

    We are the 1%, dudes. The most educated, lucky, wealthy, peaceful, and content people who have ever existed.

    Ever can be debated but certainly at the moment there's nowhere better in the world than Europe to reside.

    We are the 1%, that is true.


  • #48
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    The American culture 'wars' are confusing, sad, and a sign of a very broken society.

    I'd like to think that the wonderful EU project will continue to display what has been the most successful humanity project that the world has ever seen.

    We are the 1%, dudes. The most educated, lucky, wealthy, peaceful, and content people who have ever existed.

    Referring to these culture wars as American is like pretending covid 19 never spread beyond China, even Chemical Ali would blush at such
    Dissembling


  • #49
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,746 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    what ever happened Kevin Myers?

    I may not agree with everything he's said, and I won't defend to the death his right to say it, but I did enjoy the odd article of his


  • #50
    Yellow_Fern
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    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    Peterson's political waffling is hilariously bad. Lobster behaviour means hierarchy in humans is 'natural' and postmodern Neo-Marxists have taken over the academia etc?

    It's just a load of age-old reactionary guff repackaged and sold to people with views they want confirmed by a 'credible' academic.

    Hierarchy is what biologists call a conserved behaviour. It is deeply ancient. Peterson isnt arguing a particular hierarchy is natural, apart from it representing competence. orcas have female leadership for example but competence leadership is and this is contradicts a lot of postmodern ideas.


  • #51
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    RWCNT wrote: »
    Can someone explain to me how the hard left takeover of higher education took place exactly?

    I'm not long out of higher education myself and my lecturers mainly stuck to the syllabus around business management and economics. Was the lecturer tapping out The Communist Manifesto in morse code on his desk the whole time and I just didn't notice?
    1960s was where it kicked off, more so the late 1960s. Tom Sharpe wrote about it in 1976!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilt_(novel)


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