FF/FG/Green Next Government

Professor Moriarty · 04-07-2020 04:51PM

TheCitizen wrote: »

If you want to label calling out the rank hypocrisy of FFGers and their fellow travelers on this site and elsewhere as having an agenda, fine; whatever blows your hair back.

Do you do the same for Sinn Féin hypocrisy?

Darc19 · 04-07-2020 04:52PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The dogs on the street knew about Barry Cowens ban, so I’m pretty sure that his party leader did.

They didn't. As the level of alcohol was just above the limit he was able to take an immediate 3 months ban and €200 fine.

It also seems he had a learners permit, so it seems he could have been under the limit but as the limit for learners is 20/100 he was done.

If he was driving in northern ireland or Britain, he would have been waved on as he was under their limits

Darc19 · 04-07-2020 05:06PM

Also love how the looney left twitterati are making a comparison to Clare Daly.

Clare Daly initial breath was over the limit
Clare daly had done an illegal uturn.
Clare day was "unable" to give a breath in the station and offered a blood sample
In the end she gave a urine sample.

What is not known is how long after the stop did she provide the urine sample. Some say that it was over two hours.

Her Twitter sheep also don't mention that her eventual result which she published would have meant the same Penalty that cowen got if it was 2016 as the higher 80/100 limit applied then

James Brown · 04-07-2020 05:16PM

Darc19 wrote: »

Also love how the looney left twitterati are making a comparison to Clare Daly.

Clare Daly initial breath was over the limit
Clare daly had done an illegal uturn.
Clare day was "unable" to give a breath in the station and offered a blood sample
In the end she gave a urine sample.

What is not known is how long after the stop did she provide the urine sample. Some say that it was over two hours.

Her Twitter sheep also don't mention that her eventual result which she published would have meant the same Penalty that cowen got if it was 2016 as the higher 80/100 limit applied then

Hang on there horse. Its regarding the press coverage and lack there of.
F*** all to do with supporting or attacking Daly or Cowen.
Are you not curious as to why they decided to run Cowen's story now? Same query as why they went to town on Daly.

TheCitizen · 04-07-2020 05:17PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Do you do the same for Sinn Féin hypocrisy?

Yes, but I don’t need to around here of course as there’s piles of FFGers and other fellow travelers that do that day in day out while excusing misdemeanours relating to FFGers. Hence the rank hypocrisy charge. A political charge as the elder brother Biffo used to say.

The Gloves will be off in the incoming Dáil with a robust opposition now that the FFG Confidence and Supply scam has been dispensed with.

dundalkfc10 · 04-07-2020 05:27PM

Darc19 wrote: »

They didn't. As the level of alcohol was just above the limit he was able to take an immediate 3 months ban and €200 fine.

It also seems he had a learners permit, so it seems he could have been under the limit but as the limit for learners is 20/100 he was done.

If he was driving in northern ireland or Britain, he would have been waved on as he was under their limits

Ah so alls fine, he would have been grand in the UK

TheCitizen · 04-07-2020 05:44PM

Darc19 wrote: »

They didn't. As the level of alcohol was just above the limit he was able to take an immediate 3 months ban and €200 fine.

It also seems he had a learners permit, so it seems he could have been under the limit but as the limit for learners is 20/100 he was done.

If he was driving in northern ireland or Britain, he would have been waved on as he was under their limits

LOL

I wonder did Biffo Jnr like Fr Ted try the old; "there was a time the police in this country were friends of Fianna Fáil etc........." "those days are gone unfortunately Deputy Cowen, but don't worry, we'll do our best to keep it quiet" the reply from the officer perhaps.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xqwjl6

Truthvader · 04-07-2020 06:02PM

TheCitizen wrote: »

Yes, but I don’t need to around here of course as there’s piles of FFGers and other fellow travelers that do that day in day out while excusing misdemeanours relating to FFGers. Hence the rank hypocrisy charge. A political charge as the elder brother Biffo used to say.

The Gloves will be off in the incoming Dáil with a robust opposition now that the FFG Confidence and Supply scam has been dispensed with.

Good luck with that. Dont think the collection pf barely literate chancers that SF have assembled will bother anyone

Truthvader · 04-07-2020 06:06PM

TheCitizen wrote: »

Some people celebrate some things they did, but not all things they did. Not everything in life is as black and white as you see it, or more to the point as you paint it to suit your little agenda.

No agenda save to call out the lies on all sides. Just that SF are so steeped in lies and criminality that they end up getting more attention. The FF/FG front bench wont be attending the funerals of thug criminals or glorifying their miseable useless lives

Truthvader · 04-07-2020 06:10PM

TheCitizen wrote: »

Listen to Eoghan Harris here.

Not sure what this means. Is it an insult? Is it just a reference to a joirnalist who wont play "lets pretend" with Sinn Fein?

Professor Moriarty · 04-07-2020 06:12PM

TheCitizen wrote: »

Yes, but I don’t need to around here of course as there’s piles of FFGers and other fellow travelers that do that day in day out while excusing misdemeanours relating to FFGers. Hence the rank hypocrisy charge. A political charge as the elder brother Biffo used to say.

The Gloves will be off in the incoming Dáil with a robust opposition now that the FFG Confidence and Supply scam has been dispensed with.

Can you point me to your posts where you call out SF hypocrisy? Can't seem to find any.

TheCitizen · 04-07-2020 06:13PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Good luck with that. Dont think the collection pf barely literate chancers that SF have assembled will bother anyone

Is that right, why then do you spend all your time attacking them so?

We know you're dreading the prospect, that's why your party (FF/FG whichever) concocted the Confidence and Supply scam the last time out remember. As Willie O'Dea said to Matt Carthy on RTE after the previous election was over and the counts were coming in; "That (FF and FG going into government together and SF leading opposition) is your wet dream etc." Or words to that effect.

SF will batter this government from pillar to post and with disgruntled O'Callaghan and others with a knife pointed at Micheál's back it's going to be popcorn time throughout.

TheCitizen · 04-07-2020 06:17PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Can you point me to your posts where you call out SF hypocrisy? Can't seem to find any.

Do your own work. It's there if you can be bothered.

Professor Moriarty · 04-07-2020 06:20PM

TheCitizen wrote: »

Do your own work. It's there if you can be bothered.

So, none? You can't refer me to your posts where you've called out SF hypocrisy? Okay. It's just that when you accuse somebody else of having an agenda and it looks like you have one yourself then that's, well, hypocrisy.

Truthvader · 04-07-2020 06:24PM

TheCitizen wrote: »

Is that right, why then do you spend all your time attacking them so?

We know you're dreading the prospect, that's why your party (FF/FG whichever) concocted the Confidence and Supply scam the last time out remember. As Willie O'Dea said to Matt Carthy on RTE after the previous election was over and the counts were coming in; "That (FF and FG going into government together and SF leading opposition) is your wet dream etc." Or words to that effect.

SF will batter this government from pillar to post and with disgruntled O'Callaghan and others with a knife pointed at Micheál's back it's going to be popcorn time throughout.

Only dreading the prospect of SF/IRA ever getting into power. Mary Lou endlessly whingeing in that grating voice or poor Angus struggling to costruct a coherent sentence is not matter of dread for anyone - save aesthetically.

James Brown · 04-07-2020 06:25PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

So, none? You can't refer me to your posts where you've called out SF hypocrisy? Okay. It's just that when you accuse somebody else of having an agenda and it looks like you have one yourself then that's, well, hypocrisy.

This is important to you? Trying to score a point?
They don't cancel each other out anyway.

TheCitizen · 04-07-2020 06:25PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

So, none? You can't refer me to your posts where you've called out SF hypocrisy? Okay. It's just that when you accuse somebody else of having an agenda and it looks like you have one yourself then that's, well, hypocrisy.

Nope. I have criticised SF on here where criticism is due, just cos you're too lazy to find it doesn't mean it's not there.

This is the holding to account FFG lead government thread btw, the SF criticising for the sake of it thread because you're supporting an opponent party is that way →

TheCitizen · 04-07-2020 06:28PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Only dreading the prospect of SF/IRA ever getting into power. Mary Lou endlessly whingeing in that grating voice or poor Angus struggling to costruct a coherent sentence is not matter of dread for anyone - save aesthetically.

:pac: You're shíting it

James Brown · 04-07-2020 06:35PM

TheCitizen wrote: »

:pac: You're shíting it

Instead of having a discussion about who got what post or policies the coalition might develop it's all about shinners!
Seems they've defo got nothing new to offer or anything but trying to make any discussion about SF. Woirked well in the election so why stop now

Professor Moriarty · 04-07-2020 06:47PM

Bowie wrote: »

This is important to you? Trying to score a point?
They don't cancel each other out anyway.

Any agenda yourself?

James Brown · 04-07-2020 07:28PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Any agenda yourself?

Yes.

Professor Moriarty · 04-07-2020 07:33PM

Bowie wrote: »

Yes.

Respect.

ExMachina1000 · 04-07-2020 07:37PM

Stephen Donnelly

Brendan Bendar · 04-07-2020 07:38PM

Lot of anger building up here, good idea to hit the cot.

Snow Garden · 04-07-2020 07:43PM

While we are thrashing FFG...I remember a time when Claire Daly was watched by Gardaí, handcuffed, put into a Garda car, driven 300m to a station and then thrown in a cell. The story was immediately leaked. When she passed the test and was released she was still told by a Garda to sober up.

To be honest I did not take much notice. I was a solid FG voter at the time and then I read this story....

A GARDA report filed on the incident in which Alan Shatter was stopped at a drink-drive checkpoint has gone missing

She was also asked by the then Fine Gael frontbench spokesman: "Don't you know who I am?"
The garda did not know him, to which he said: "I am Alan Shatter," and explained that he was coming from the Dail.
The officer said words to the effect: "Seeing as you're here now, you may as well give a breath sample."
Mr Shatter took the breathalyser bag and blew a quick puff, which was not sufficient to inflate the device.

The garda asked him to do it again.
He is said to have again provided a quick puff, which was equally insufficient to inflate the device.
The garda told him that he hadn't done it properly and Mr Shatter is alleged to have replied: "Check your law book, it's in the Constitution, you cannot stop me, I am going."

The female garda prepared a report soon after the checkpoint was lifted and sent it to her superiors.
But the report cannot now be accounted for and is thought to be missing.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/dont-you-know-who-i-am-what-shatter-said-to-garda-29300483.html

This incident and several others convinced me that FG were just as bad as FF and did not deserve by vote.

Darc19 · 04-07-2020 07:54PM

Bowie wrote: »

Hang on there horse. Its regarding the press coverage and lack there of.
F*** all to do with supporting or attacking Daly or Cowen.
Are you not curious as to why they decided to run Cowen's story now? Same query as why they went to town on Daly.

The media will always want click bait. Cowens advantage was he did not prevaricate and try to avoid the main breathalyzer in the station and wait a couple of hours and took his on the spot option of €200+3 months ban. So no fuss, no court, no reports.

Problem is Clara is a small town and he's got many that don't like him and had this story up their sleeves waiting.

But if it was 2013 when daly was stopped he would have passed the roadside test and gone on his way.

Daly prevaricated and played the time game and that and her attitude pissed off a couple of gardai who called a couple of contacts (getting a doc at 2am in the morning is not easy and can take 2-3 hours - enough time for someone not too far over the limit to be well under)

The gardai shouldn't have done that, but daly puts on a squeaky clean image yet played the system just like every one else did and which she was mouthing off on.

Anyway, seems cowen is now a non story as people realize it seems that he was under the normal limit, but because he did not have a full license (fool) the very low 20mg limit applied

Elmo · 04-07-2020 08:04PM

Darc19 wrote: »

Anyway, seems cowen is now a non story as people realize it seems that he was under the normal limit, but because he did not have a full license (fool) the very low 20mg limit applied

Cowen's story is really a digging the hole a bit deaper only thankfully Irish reporters seem to be unable to ask questions.

He says he had 2 pints before a meal, what are we saying an hour for the meal assuming he stopped drinking before the meal, then he says he heads to a football match, it being GAA that would be about 90mins including half time and the normal shaking of hands, which could easily go on long then the match (you have to get reelected you know).

Then he gets in his car and is stopped by the guards on a provisional licence that's almost 2 and half hours to 3 hours after he'd had those pints!!!

Sounds to me he should just apologise but perhaps my timeline of events is wrong.

James Brown · 04-07-2020 08:06PM

Darc19 wrote: »

The media will always want click bait. Cowens advantage was he did not prevaricate and try to avoid the main breathalyzer in the station and wait a couple of hours and took his on the spot option of €200+3 months ban. So no fuss, no court, no reports.

Problem is Clara is a small town and he's got many that don't like him and had this story up their sleeves waiting.

But if it was 2013 when daly was stopped he would have passed the roadside test and gone on his way.

Daly prevaricated and played the time game and that and her attitude pissed off a couple of gardai who called a couple of contacts (getting a doc at 2am in the morning is not easy and can take 2-3 hours - enough time for someone not too far over the limit to be well under)

The gardai shouldn't have done that, but daly puts on a squeaky clean image yet played the system just like every one else did and which she was mouthing off on.

Anyway, seems cowen is now a non story as people realize it seems that he was under the normal limit, but because he did not have a full license (fool) the very low 20mg limit applied

So you ignored or didn't understand my post.
I'm more interested in why Cowens drink driving was buried until now and why Daly got the full treatment.
I've no interest in playing Top Trumps. These are separate people they don't cancel each other out.

FrancieBrady · 04-07-2020 08:30PM

Bowie wrote: »

So you ignored or didn't understand my post.
I'm more interested in why Cowens drink driving was buried until now and why Daly got the full treatment.
I've no interest in playing Top Trumps. These are separate people they don't cancel each other out.

One rule for them and another for the rest of us.

Darc19 · 04-07-2020 09:33PM

Elmo wrote: »

Cowen's story is really a digging the hole a bit deaper only thankfully Irish reporters seem to be unable to ask questions.

He says he had 2 pints before a meal, what are we saying an hour for the meal assuming he stopped drinking before the meal, then he says he heads to a football match, it being GAA that would be about 90mins including half time and the normal shaking of hands, which could easily go on long then the match (you have to get reelected you know).

Then he gets in his car and is stopped by the guards on a provisional licence that's almost 2 and half hours to 3 hours after he'd had those pints!!!

Sounds to me he should just apologise but perhaps my timeline of events is wrong.

His reading (as per irish times) was under 35mg which is under a pint.

His error was being an eejit for still having a provisional license.

Don't like his style, reminds me of old style ff. But this was always a non story just like the SF funeral story (and I'm certainly not a SF voter)

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