FF/FG/Green Next Government

blanch152 wrote: »

The world has changed since the start of March, those that cling to the old certainties or things that happened in February don’t get that.

Sure has. FG TD's have elected a FF Taoiseach.
The world's up in a lump.

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Is that back to normal the SF two fingers to you all way.
Covid hasn't gone away Francie.
We have moved on from February's poll now, there's a new Govt.
SF may well rise, they may well fall as the others too.
The next one and then the next one, that's politics.
But the last election has been sorted, the next important one is the next election.

Hey, all I said was that in the only election we have that Leo led FG into, he scored 20%.

He might get 75% the next time, and he might not. My take on it is that he will be replaced or jump knowing the back room boys are going to pick a new leader.

And I never said boo about SF, but no party is owed a vote, so anything might happen there too.

leahyl wrote: »

Someone else isn’t happy with MM:

“Separately, Fianna Fáil's Cork North West TD Michael Moynihan has said he is extremely disappointed that the Taoiseach did not appoint him a junior minister "He has insulted me and my community. I have worked so hard for the party over the last nine years; took a lot of s*** for him. Very, very cross,"

Another me me me wanker. So typical of so many in politics. The public interest a distant faded shadow in the background of their own "career"

Elmo wrote: »

Well to me it looks like the greens have been shafted in terms of junior ministers.

Eamon Ryan’s Department gets 0 Ministers of State
Catherine Martin’s department gets 1 but he’s also the chief whip (has a chief whip always had a secondary role)
Roderick O’Gorman fairs a bit better with a minister of state for Disabilities

I wouldn't be feeling sorry for the Greens

The greens have agreed that the National Parks and Wildlife Service to come under the remit of the Minister for Housing, Local Government and Heritage.

So it seems Eamonn Ryan is happy enough to put the environment in the hands of the very department that will favour developers and industry.

Only in the job a less than a week and already they're fecking up.

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0701/1150815-green-party-environment-groups/

Elmo wrote: »

Well to me it looks like the greens have been shafted in terms of junior ministers.

Eamon Ryan’s Department gets 0 Ministers of State
Catherine Martin’s department gets 1 but he’s also the chief whip (has a chief whip always had a secondary role)
Roderick O’Gorman fairs a bit better with a minister of state for Disabilities

They have 12 TDs,a chara.

They were not shafted.

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

So as was pointed out on many radio shows yesterday and the Tonight Show last night. Jobs for the boys club in full swing

During the last financial crash we reduced the numbers of junior ministers, this crowd will tell you country's on its knees so they have more junior ministers so they have to pay out more money. What a ****ing country

A big amount of work to be done and all hands on deck needed.
The difference in wages for a few extra juniors is miniscule in comparison to what could be generated by having them helping out.
Genuine non talking point right there.

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

A wage cut across the board might show maybe they are taking this serious, not making up new jobs.

Fine Gael have spent more time having a go at Sinn Féin the last few days than re-assuring the public they can lead us through this.

Schools going back still up in the air, letting ryanair and aer Lingus start flying more planes and routes but then telling people who booked don't go and then say ah sure we have a metting next week hold off till then even though flights from America continue to land (one countries we should def not be flying in or out of)

Agree on the latter completely.
Not much there though to dispel any reason for the economic benefits that having junior ministers.
As to the school thing, no one is certain about how best to handle school returning yet, this virus is still to be quelled, it's a tough one.

I think FF/FG/Greens have started off well enough. I see no issues at all for the time been. We are very lucky to have a sound head in finance and a good department in defense.

Bishop of hope wrote: »

A big amount of work to be done and all hands on deck needed.
The difference in wages for a few extra juniors is miniscule in comparison to what could be generated by having them helping out.
Genuine non talking point right there.

Did the government sack the senior civil servants? That's a serious question.

Far too many chiefs, and not enough Indians in my opinion.
I would argue the opposite, the more 'bosses' there are giving orders the less ordered it will be. Instead of one person directing policy, priorities and ensuring things get done now already under pressure staff have to deal with two or three people calling the shots and it is likely that if that they are from different parties the priorities given will be different. Surely that is the role of senior civil servants, they get paid enough, and they should be well able for it with years of experience in the civil services. If not then it is time to have a bit of a clean up within the civil service.

Lets be honest here, the reason why there are so may junior ministers is that with three parties divvying out the big seats, small seats had to be created to prevent ego's being bruised, and yet the papers have been filled with nothing more than TD's crying that they have been let down and rejected because they were not made a minister or junior minister, super junior minister, super fantastic minister or some other stupid made up title.

Its about time TD's realise that the only job they are entitled to is being a TD if they are fortunate enough to be elected. There was no reason whatsoever why TD's could not take on extra duties if they had a mind to without being made a minister, junior minister or super minister. Ordinary workers up and down the country are having to take on extra duties and work extra hours because of the covid crisis and most are not complaining, they recognise we are in exceptional times and just get on with it. There's even more worried that they have no job to even go back to.

Snow Garden wrote: »

Unbelievable. Who do FF TDs think they are?

There are already 3 full ministers in Cork.

Greed.

Strong sense of entitlement.