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Planning permission to build permanent accommodation in back garden

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  • #32
    stevek93
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    maestroamado wrote: »
    I am guessing you have the space for what you are thinking.
    Your best bet is have a chat with a planning consultant, these guys generally do planning appeals so they will immediately have a pretty good idea if your thinking a runner. Also they will know how to make the application and present it properly, the initial appointment will cost a few €€€ but will be well spent. With housing shortage and the fact that all the services are there your idea may well be worth exploring...

    Yes plenty of space for me to still enjoy the garden too.

    To answer your housing shortage I am offering the build to a past house mate now friend that is stuck in shared accommodation for many years and will be many more years to come, I will be accepting HAP or rent allowance. I once was in the same situation and never thought I could afford my own home I know the feeling of not being able to afford your own space so I would to make that possible for someone if planning permission is ever granted.


  • #33
    mgn
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    sydthebeat wrote: »
    you seem determined to answer my points with non related stuff.

    you cant purchase a site in a highly desirable rural location and build your mansion unless your a local and can show local need.

    of course, ANYONE can buy a house and decide to knock it down and build again... but this isnt the same as what i said above.

    and anyway regardless of that, local authorities have strict policies as to what they will give permission for in regard to replacement dwellings... strict policy on the structural integrity of the dwelling... and if its deemed derelict, some LAs implement rural need if your looking to replace.

    http://www.kildare.ie/CountyCouncil/Planning/DevelopmentPlans/KildareCountyDevelopmentPlan2017-2023/DraftCountyDevelopmentPlan/Volume1/Volume%201.pdf
    see policy RH 22 in the above document for example

    and again, if your thinking of buying, doing a major demolition and then extending, there are struct policies as to the design... withmany LAs requiring the the new build be proportional to the existing and the existing being retained in its independent form, with the extension being separate and subservient.

    see policy RH 21 in the above document for example, and policy 16.8.3 for design of extensions

    And simple way around all that is to buy a 2 story building that's in of the road. simple.


  • #34
    TheW1zard
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    I know a few houses that have a mews. All nice posh houses obviously. These were probably all built before planning got strict im guessing?


  • #35
    sydthebeat
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    mgn wrote: »
    And simple way around all that is to buy a 2 story building that's in of the road. simple.

    If only this thread was about buying a house.....


  • #36
    stevek93
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    TheW1zard wrote: »
    I know a few houses that have a mews. All nice posh houses obviously. These were probably all built before planning got strict im guessing?

    I dont know why its difficult here to get permission, if you aren't causing a hindrance then what is the issue? We have a housing shortage the government should actively encourage land owners to use their land if they so wish to provide accommodation.

    As I said in my previous post I struggled renting for years until I bought a home, I have enough space in my back garden to accommodate one person, I know it isnt a block of apartments I'm building but its something. It might make so the local hospital has a new nurse or doctor or whatever I am in walking distance of the hospital.


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  • #37
    sydthebeat
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    stevek93 wrote: »
    I dont know why its difficult here to get permission, if you aren't causing a hindrance then what is the issue? We have a housing shortage the government should actively encourage land owners to use their land if they so wish to provide accommodation.

    As I said in my previous post I struggled renting for years until I bought a home, I have enough space in my back garden to accommodate one person, I know it isnt a block of apartments I'm building but its something. It might make so the local hospital has a new nurse or doctor or whatever I am in walking distance of the hospital.

    If you have the required space, then absolutely you should crack on and get an application prepared.

    However if you don't have the required space don't be surprised if that application is refused.

    The first thing you should do is go talk to the planners in a preplanning meeting


  • #38
    stevek93
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    sydthebeat wrote: »
    If you have the required space, then absolutely you should crack on and get an application prepared.

    However if you don't have the required space don't be surprised if that application is refused.

    The first thing you should do is go talk to the planners in a preplanning meeting

    Thanks, I know a lot more now than I did before creating this thread.


  • #39
    [Deleted User]
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    stevek93 wrote: »
    I dont know why its difficult here to get permission, if you aren't causing a hindrance then what is the issue? We have a housing shortage the government should actively encourage land owners to use their land if they so wish to provide accommodation.

    As I said in my previous post I struggled renting for years until I bought a home, I have enough space in my back garden to accommodate one person, I know it isnt a block of apartments I'm building but its something. It might make so the local hospital has a new nurse or doctor or whatever I am in walking distance of the hospital.


    Mate... Stop with the false, altruistic chat.

    Be realistic why you're doing this.

    stevek93 wrote: »
    Me wanting it for profitability to rent would well I don't know how it would be viewed to be honest, I am wanting to do it so I can travel abroad and still have a source of income


    It's frustrating, but being disingenuous isn't the way forward.


  • #40
    stevek93
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Mate... Stop with the false, altruistic chat.

    Be realistic why you're doing this.





    It's frustrating, but being disingenuous isn't the way forward.

    Ah now stop it for goodness sake, of course I want to benefit of the income wouldn't you? But as I said I have been boucning around rental accommodation for years I have totally been there and done it!! I am out of the rental market thank god but if I can do my bit of helping out why not? Not everyone is out for their own good.


  • #41
    Gumbo
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    The planners don’t care if the new build will be for your son, daughter or to rent to 12 families.

    That’s an emotional attachment. The planning application is based on planning principles and guides as set out in our development plans.

    OP, if you want to PM me your address I can take a preliminary look at it and give honest opinion.


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  • #42
    BryanF
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    stevek93 wrote: »
    Ah now stop it for goodness sake, of course I want to benefit of the income wouldn't you? But as I said I have been boucning around rental accommodation for years I have totally been there and done it!! I am out of the rental market thank god but if I can do my bit of helping out why not? Not everyone is out for their own good.

    You are posting in the construction and planning forum. We obey the law. When you apply for planning, the local authority will decide if you can build. No more chat about about the state of the state. Thanks


  • #43
    stevek93
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    BryanF wrote: »
    You are posting in the construction and planning forum. We obey the law. When you apply for planning, the local authority will decide if you can build. No more chat about about the state of the state. Thanks

    Well maybe I went a bit of topic I do apologise :)


  • #44
    Wombatman
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    Gumbo wrote: »
    The planners don’t care if the new build will be for your son, daughter or to rent to 12 families.

    It can come into play where there are 'locals only' planning restrictions.


  • #45
    stevek93
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    Wombatman wrote: »
    It can come into play where there are 'locals only' planning restrictions.

    Is that such a thing?


  • #46
    sydthebeat
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    Wombatman wrote: »
    It can come into play where there are 'locals only' planning restrictions.

    these dont exist in urban situations, which is what we are referring to here


  • #47
    c.p.w.g.w
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    Wombatman wrote: »
    It can come into play where there are 'locals only' planning restrictions.

    How is that even legal, genuinely wondering


  • #48
    Gumbo
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    Wombatman wrote: »
    It can come into play where there are 'locals only' planning restrictions.
    stevek93 wrote: »
    Is that such a thing?

    We shall ignore that as the OP is talking about an urban setting. No point going on about rules for things that don’t exist in Dublin.


  • #49
    sydthebeat
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    c.p.w.g.w wrote: »
    How is that even legal, genuinely wondering

    rural housing is a very finite resource.

    so restricting it to those with the highest need is deemed to be the policy.

    The alternative is to have NO new rural housing


  • #50
    Gumbo
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    c.p.w.g.w wrote: »
    How is that even legal, genuinely wondering

    You can read up on local needs criteria in certain counties in Ireland.


  • #51
    Wombatman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,349 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    stevek93 wrote: »
    Is that such a thing?

    Example here:
    A son or daughter of an established householder (who has lived in the area for three years or more) wishing to build a permanent home for their own use to live immediately adjacent to their elderly parents to provide care.

    http://www.waterfordcouncil.ie/media/forms/planning/English/PDF/Rural%20Housing%20Guidance%20Notes.pdf


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