FF/FG/Green Next Government

RandomViewer · 28-06-2020 05:20PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

MM's family are not deputy leaders of a party that is in the Dáil.

Why not complain that the loophole exists by the way? Surely a party that could leave such a loophole in legislation and then be unable to close it isn't fit to govern?

Keeping the wife out of the way in case some journalist asks an awkward question about her bank accounts? Skeletons rattling

KyussB · 28-06-2020 05:47PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I didn't say anything at all about what Keynes advocated. You are putting words in my mouth. You do realise that we have gone from having an expected surplus of 2 billion to a deficit of 25 billion in 2020? We need to plug that gap before we do anything else. Maybe you you can't understand what this means. Think existing costs - unemployment benefit, teachers, nurses.

Jesus you sound like a People Before Puberty hipster studying first year economics in Trinners whose only contact with reality was when dentist dad cut his pocket money for week when he found weed in your bedroom.

You do realize that deficits are a good thing in an economic downturn - and the surpluses are a bad thing, even when the economy has recovered, unless there are sectors in the economy that are overheating? (that this is what Keyne's is all about?)

If you're familiar with Keyne's, and if I took your previous post wrong as trying to represent Keyne's - then I take it you simply don't agree with Keyne's economics?

Keynesian's don't bring the deficit down until the economy is back at Full Employment and Full Output.

I've been discussing this stuff on the site for almost a decade now - and nearly all of what I read each day during that time (my version of a 'newspaper') is economics/politics related - with an emphasis on the economics/macroconomics - and I put research into my arguments when there's something new I've come across that is worth learning...I know this stuff inside out.

You're acting like a style of economic views that was dominant worldwide between the 40's-70's, is People Before Profit material...do your bloody research (e.g. on Keyne's who you claim to be familiar with), and stop regurgitating budget-balancing shite that harms the country, and is pure bad economics that is at the core of NeoLiberalism...

NovemberWren · 28-06-2020 05:49PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Events Dear boy, as McMillan said, change things utterly. It's what "de peepel" voted for or not.

yeah, that events thing can obliterate well-intentioned projects, and never return. anyhow, his wife is really pleasant; so, good to see that he is well-minded, personally. that woman might have bank accounts, but most likely thankfully may be someone to whom that is not the most crucial aspect of life. [his son looks great! - who knew!].
Too many of these politicians can be in bad health, too much criticism; and no media seems to pick up on that 'til it's too late.
(fairly sure Eamon Ryan is not well?).

i'm still not in favour of f.f. though.

McMurphy · 28-06-2020 05:55PM

Fairplay to Michaél Martin on the 1730 news there officially telling us that the civil war politics of the last century has ended.

Beaming for the camera's, Taoiseach Martin said that during a chat with Leo Varadkar during the week, Leo told him that he had taken Collins portrait down from the wall of his office..

Michaél said he told him, "you know what Leo, leave it up, and I'll put de Valera's up beside it".

To "signal a new era in Irish politics"

The Rubicon has been crossed ladies and gentlemen. Hallelujah.

FrancieBrady · 28-06-2020 06:00PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Fairplay to Michaél Martin on the 1730 news there officially telling us that the civil war politics of the last century has ended.

Beaming for the camera's, Taoiseach Martin said that during a chat with Leo Varadkar during the week, Leo told him that he had taken Collins portrait down from the wall of his office..

Michaél said he told him, "you know what Leo, leave it up, and I'll put de Valera's up beside it".

To "signal a new era in Irish politics"

The Rubicon has been crossed ladies and gentlemen. Hallelujah.

They've learned from Hitler's mistake at least. He tried to fight on two fronts and lost both. FF and FG have ended one war because they were losing the other one with SF heavily.

Will it succeed...pays your money and watch.

Mortelaro · 28-06-2020 06:00PM

McMurphy wrote: »

The Rubicon has been crossed ladies and gentlemen. Hallelujah.

And the bet lost

Galwayguy35 · 28-06-2020 06:04PM

It was all for show anyway between FF/FG for the last 20 years or so, the real hate died with Garrett and Charlie.

JohnnyFlash · 28-06-2020 06:07PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They've learned from Hitler's mistake at least. He tried to fight on two fronts and lost both. FF and FG have ended one war because they were losing the other one with SF heavily.

Will it succeed...pays your money and watch.

What an idiotic comparison!

FrancieBrady · 28-06-2020 06:13PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

What an idiotic comparison!

Why is it idiotic?

They have come together because that is the only way they can stay in power.

JP Liz V1 · 28-06-2020 06:17PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Fairplay to Michaél Martin on the 1730 news there officially telling us that the civil war politics of the last century has ended.

Beaming for the camera's, Taoiseach Martin said that during a chat with Leo Varadkar during the week, Leo told him that he had taken Collins portrait down from the wall of his office..

Michaél said he told him, "you know what Leo, leave it up, and I'll put de Valera's up beside it".

To "signal a new era in Irish politics"

The Rubicon has been crossed ladies and gentlemen. Hallelujah.

I assume Leo would have a photo of himself or Kylie

and Martin a photo of Mr. Burns from The Simpsons his doppelganger

McMurphy · 28-06-2020 06:25PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

And the bet lost

Only bet I've lost so far this year is a FF minority govt would be in power after the Feb elections.

Money well spent to witness the formal coalition of the two civil war party's, and seemingly an official announcement from Michaél that civil war politics are over.

I wonder if Michaél thinks FF emerged "the winners", what with having more seats, when the official Coalition began?:D

James Brown · 28-06-2020 06:26PM

Fair play to Leo for offering to take the photo down but I've no issue with Collins personally. He did what he did and owned it.
It's a little concerning that MM wants to put up DeV the man who dishonored himself when he ripped off Irish people and their decendants the world over with the Irish Press shares. But hey, Fianna Fail gonna Fianna Fail.

Bishop of hope · 28-06-2020 06:31PM

Yiz shinners are on the wind up goodo today.
A bit like Man u fans laying into Liverpool fans, this week.
But at the end of the, season, Liverpool are champs and Man u are another year without a Premier league.
Keep it up lads, you will eventually win one, like Liverpool this year, could be thirty years or so, who knows.

James Brown · 28-06-2020 07:06PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Yiz shinners are on the wind up goodo today.
A bit like Man u fans laying into Liverpool fans, this week.
But at the end of the, season, Liverpool are champs and Man u are another year without a Premier league.
Keep it up lads, you will eventually win one, like Liverpool this year, could be thirty years or so, who knows.

So you haven't been reading? I'll bring you up to speed.
FF, FG and the Greens are in government. We're discussing who got what spot and Leo offering to take down the Collins photo and MM saying the civil war politics is over.
If FF build social and affordable I'll consider that a win.
But go on, you were saying?

Muahahaha · 28-06-2020 07:07PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Fairplay to Michaél Martin on the 1730 news there officially telling us that the civil war politics of the last century has ended.

Beaming for the camera's, Taoiseach Martin said that during a chat with Leo Varadkar during the week, Leo told him that he had taken Collins portrait down from the wall of his office..

Michaél said he told him, "you know what Leo, leave it up, and I'll put de Valera's up beside it".

To "signal a new era in Irish politics"

The Rubicon has been crossed ladies and gentlemen. Hallelujah.

I saw that on the news earlier and could only think what children they are, the civil war was 100 years ago ffs. And people give out about the English still banging on about winning the World Cup in 1966, thats in the hapenny place compared to FFG and their civil war.

FrancieBrady · 28-06-2020 07:09PM

Bowie wrote: »

So you haven't been reading? I'll bring you up to speed.
FF, FG and the Greens are in government. We're discussing who got what spot and Leo offering to take down the Collins photo and MM saying the civil war politics is over.
But go on, you were saying?

Bless 'em, I think they think politics is over.

Bishop of hope · 28-06-2020 07:15PM

Bowie wrote: »

So you haven't been reading? I'll bring you up to speed.
FF, FG and the Greens are in government. We're discussing who got what spot and Leo offering to take down the Collins photo and MM saying the civil war politics is over.
If FF build social and affordable I'll consider that a win.
But go on, you were saying?

I'm not into icons, be it pics, statues or medals.
Couldnd give a fcuk if they put Jurry and Máirtín up beside, them.

James Brown · 28-06-2020 07:21PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

I'm not into icons, be it pics, statues or medals.
Couldnd give a fcuk if they put Jurry and Máirtín up beside, them.

Unlikely its FF, FG and the Greens in.

Bishop of hope · 28-06-2020 07:25PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Bless 'em, I think they think politics is over.

Ah no, I thought you were on a retreat after yesterday's, good wishes.

Truthvader · 28-06-2020 07:28PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

It was all for show anyway between FF/FG for the last 20 years or so, the real hate died with Garrett and Charlie.

Dunno, Bertie was as hooky as they come

28-06-2020 07:29PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Dunno, Bertie was as hooky as they come

Ah, ah, now, don’t go upsetting the apple tart.

FrancieBrady · 28-06-2020 07:33PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Ah no, I thought you were on a retreat after yesterday's, good wishes.

Nope, you mis-read. I will criticise if it's due and praise when it is due.

TheRiverman · 28-06-2020 07:33PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Michelle O'Neill is the leader of the northern part of an All Ireland party that has input into SF similar to the northern section of the Green party which we know has input into what the Green party does.

Do we get to do this with everyone present yesterday or is it just the Shinners that get the scrutiny?

Martin spoke to a woman when he came down the stairs and the TV presenter didn't know her name nor the elderly man beside her, neither were TD's.
Why were they there and what was their role?
I didn't hear David McCullagh question a single one of the FF's on news at one about them...he gave Mary Lou a robust interrogation about O'Neill though.

Micheal Martin's niece.She is a Nurse in the Mater Hospital and lives in Dublin.

Truthvader · 28-06-2020 07:39PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They've learned from Hitler's mistake at least. He tried to fight on two fronts and lost both. FF and FG have ended one war because they were losing the other one with SF heavily.

Will it succeed...pays your money and watch.

Good man Francie; again displaying that instinct for the clumsy misplaced metaphor culled from a half forgotten Inter Cert history class so beloved by Sinn Fein apparatchiks. Been reading your contributions for the last couple of weeks and wondering were you on the Sinn Fein social media payroll. Think now you are in fact Angus O'Snodaigh Go on- am I right??

Bishop of hope · 28-06-2020 07:41PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Nope, you mis-read. I will criticise if it's due and praise when it is due.

Funny you only started to criticise after MON was mentioned.
That's called turning defence into attack.

Galwayguy35 · 28-06-2020 07:47PM

Would be interesting to know what the Soc Dems long term plan is.

If they get a few more seats next time maybe play footsie with SF, Labour with a few Independents and see if they can form a Government and cut out the traditional big two.

FrancieBrady · 28-06-2020 07:49PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Good man Francie; again displaying that instinct for the clumsy misplaced metaphor culled from a half forgotten Inter Cert history class so beloved by Sinn Fein apparatchiks. Been reading your contributions for the last couple of weeks and wondering were you on the Sinn Fein social media payroll. Think now you are in fact Angus O'Snodaigh Go on- am I right??

Clumsy?

As clumsy as calling a woman a 'slug'?

Don't you lecture me.

Elmo · 28-06-2020 08:37PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Would be interesting to know what the Soc Dems long term plan is.

If they get a few more seats next time maybe play footsie with SF, Labour with a few Independents and see if they can form a Government and cut out the traditional big two.

Labour will never enter government with Sinn Fein.

28-06-2020 08:44PM

Elmo wrote: »

Labour will never enter government with Sinn Fein.

And Soc-Dems will never enter government with labour :pac::pac:

RandomViewer · 28-06-2020 08:46PM

Elmo wrote: »

Labour will never enter government with Sinn Fein.

Stickies still rule the roost?

FF/FG/Green Next Government

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