Madeleine McCann

dark crystal · 28-06-2020 12:53PM

OwlsZat wrote: »

No other explanation only they were sedated. Diazepam mooted as a possible medication. Sedation and accidental fall was leading model the PJ were following. It's also what the McCanns told us in their accidental embedded confessions.

If you have proof either of the McCanns were prescribed Diazepam, a medicine that controls anxiety, alcohol withdrawals, muscle spasms and seizures, please post it.

Just a reminder, drug tests on both Kate and the twins all came back negative.

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/41993456/The%20Calpol%20Myth

On their return to the UK, the McCanns voluntarily submitted to drug tests to prove that they had not been habitually sedating their children and to prove that Kate McCann had not been taking anti-depressive drugs. The tests involved taking hair samples. As hair grows approximately half a centimetre each month, this meant that they would cover the period before and during their vacation in Praia da Luz.

All tests were negative

I realise this has been posted numerous times already, but it's worth repeating for those who insist on going down this road continuously, albeit with zero evidence.

the_pen_turner · 28-06-2020 01:05PM

dark crystal wrote: »

If you have proof either of the McCanns were prescribed Diazepam, a medicine that controls anxiety, alcohol withdrawals, muscle spasms and seizures, please post it.

Just a reminder, drug tests on both Kate and the twins all came back negative.

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/41993456/The%20Calpol%20Myth

I realise this has been posted numerous times already, but it's worth repeating for those who insist on going down this road continuously, albeit with zero evidence.

the problem with that is that its like say that madiline wasnt shot because the other 2 kids wernt shot.

testing the other 2 kids doesnt prove that Madeline wasnt drugged.

screamer · 28-06-2020 01:27PM

I wouldn’t find checking kids breathing strange at all. If my own twins are sleeping soundly I’ll often put my hand on their back or Listen to check they are breathing. Yes I am a worrier for sure, but checking your kids are breathing is not abnormal, in fact, I’d find it stranger for a parent not to check. I’m no fan of the McCanns at all, but it seems that whatever they did or didn’t do, someone somewhere takes exception to it. I guess we all have different levels of expectations of parents, some more lax, some more demanding.

limnam · 28-06-2020 01:32PM

screamer wrote: »

I wouldn’t find checking kids breathing strange at all. If my own twins are sleeping soundly I’ll often put my hand on their back or Listen to check they are breathing. Yes I am a worrier for sure, but checking your kids are breathing is not abnormal, in fact, I’d find it stranger for a parent not to check. I’m no fan of the McCanns at all, but it seems that whatever they did or didn’t do, someone somewhere takes exception to it. I guess we all have different levels of expectations of parents, some more lax, some more demanding.

Consider myself a fairly responsible parent.

Never felt the need to check their breathing. There would have to be something abnormal happening. Like sleeping through crowds of people and screaming etc. Then you might.

But these two kids seem to be the deepest sleepers I've ever came across.

Leftwaffe · 28-06-2020 02:14PM

screamer wrote: »

I wouldn’t find checking kids breathing strange at all. If my own twins are sleeping soundly I’ll often put my hand on their back or Listen to check they are breathing. Yes I am a worrier for sure, but checking your kids are breathing is not abnormal, in fact, I’d find it stranger for a parent not to check. I’m no fan of the McCanns at all, but it seems that whatever they did or didn’t do, someone somewhere takes exception to it. I guess we all have different levels of expectations of parents, some more lax, some more demanding.

To be honest I'd be in agreement with this. I've a two year old and whenever I pop my head in the door at night I listen to hear her just to make sure she's OK. I'm probably a worrier in that regard but I'm obviously not the only one.

Salthillprom · 28-06-2020 02:17PM

Banana Republic. wrote: »

These are the very strange things that nobody can said aren’t strange. That’s suspicious to check both kids breathing then they sleep all the way through the commotion, that isn’t normal at all. Maybe this is why Madeline was taken so easily a as s she was sedated. Not meaning the parents were involved in the abduction but the abductor came in to take Madeline and cause sure was sleep it was easier ties in with reports of a girl sleep in the arms of a man that was reported. This could easily have happened.

Oh for goodness sake, do any of you who are saying this actually have your own kids? I have kids and I could lift them from their beds and an earthquake wouldn't wake them. Some kids are heavy sleepers. Mine are. I've never sedated them. But I have lifted them from cars, from beds, from couches, even from my friends house down the road and carried them to my house asleep. I can see how an abductor could easily carry a sleeping child away.

AND I'll always listen to my children breathing when they are in a deep sleep to check they're OK.

spakman · 28-06-2020 02:18PM

Redordeadqwwer wrote: »

To be honest I'd be in agreement with this. I've a two year old and whenever I pop my head in the door at night I listen to hear her just to make sure she's OK. I'm probably a worrier in that regard but I'm obviously not the only one.

Im not a worrier in the slightest, but I always listen to make sure my kids are breathing when i check them at night.

limnam · 28-06-2020 02:27PM

spakman wrote: »

Im not a worrier in the slightest, but I always listen to make sure my kids are breathing when i check them at night.

When do you sleep?

limnam · 28-06-2020 02:30PM

Was it not her friend a mother..who found this odd behaviour?

Sounds like she was constantly doing it

This isn't an over protective parent throwing an ear in

MonsterCookie · 28-06-2020 02:37PM

spakman wrote: »

Im not a worrier in the slightest, but I always listen to make sure my kids are breathing when i check them at night.

i think many parents are the same. you don't have to be a worrier or whatever to check especially when they ar that young.

limnam · 28-06-2020 02:40PM

MonsterCookie wrote: »

i think many parents are the same. you don't have to be a worrier or whatever to check especially when they ar that young.

Why did her friend a mother think it was odd?

e.g. the way she was checking.

What you're referring to doesn't seem to match her behavior

There's a massive difference in someone going to bed throwing their head in and having a listen to someone panically constantly checking

fineso.mom · 28-06-2020 02:40PM

Salthillprom wrote: »

Oh for goodness sake, do any of you who are saying this actually have your own kids? I have kids and I could lift them from their beds and an earthquake wouldn't wake them. Some kids are heavy sleepers. Mine are. I've never sedated them. But I have lifted them from cars, from beds, from couches, even from my friends house down the road and carried them to my house asleep. I can see how an abductor could easily carry a sleeping child away.

AND I'll always listen to my children breathing when they are in a deep sleep to check they're OK.

I have pictures of my son as a two year old, sound asleep on two chairs next to a dance floor at a wedding. There are two other toddlers in buggies also sleeping. Band playing and dance floor full of people. He was still asleep at the end of the night when 300 people (celtic tiger wedding), sang crazy world along with the band.

Plumbthedepths · 28-06-2020 02:43PM

Salthillprom wrote: »

Oh for goodness sake, do any of you who are saying this actually have your own kids? I have kids and I could lift them from their beds and an earthquake wouldn't wake them. Some kids are heavy sleepers. Mine are. I've never sedated them. But I have lifted them from cars, from beds, from couches, even from my friends house down the road and carried them to my house asleep. I can see how an abductor could easily carry a sleeping child away.

AND I'll always listen to my children breathing when they are in a deep sleep to check they're OK.

Your ability to explain away and make light of every odd behaviour of the McCanns is consistent if nothing else.

Salthillprom · 28-06-2020 02:44PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Your ability to explain away and make light of every odd behaviour of the McCanns is consistent if nothing else.

I can only speak from my personal experiences with my own children. But if that is the way you choose to see things, nothing I will do or say will alter your perception.

dark crystal · 28-06-2020 02:51PM

fineso.mom wrote: »

I have pictures of my son as a two year old, sound asleep on two chairs next to a dance floor at a wedding. There are two other toddlers in buggies also sleeping. Band playing and dance floor full of people. He was still asleep at the end of the night when 300 people (celtic tiger wedding), sang crazy world along with the band.

Yeah, you'd often see sleeping infants, dozing away undisturbed during loud parades, outdoor concerts etc.

It's not nearly as 'odd' (God, that's an overused word on this thread!) as some people make out.

buttercups88 · 28-06-2020 03:15PM

Why would they leave the twins alone if they had drugged them resulting in madelines death.

happyoutscan · 28-06-2020 06:39PM

I still always check on my kids breathing, just a nervous habit I guess from having a cousin die due to cot death.

I was only a teen when this happened, but took the call from my aunt with the news as my parents weren't home. Think this has always stuck with me.

I'd often be playing guitar pretty loud (3/4 nights a week) and it doesn't knock a stir out of them. Wouldn't exactly be playing elevator music either.

When we holiday, they might even sleep more sound due to tiredness. I wouldn't know though, since they are deep sleepers anyway.

All kids are different.

Spanish Eyes · 28-06-2020 06:52PM

dark crystal wrote: »

If you have proof either of the McCanns were prescribed Diazepam, a medicine that controls anxiety, alcohol withdrawals, muscle spasms and seizures, please post it.

Just a reminder, drug tests on both Kate and the twins all came back negative.

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/41993456/The%20Calpol%20Myth

I realise this has been posted numerous times already, but it's worth repeating for those who insist on going down this road continuously, albeit with zero evidence.

Drowsy anti histamines like Piriton would not show up on a drug test panel I don't think. Just saying that it is not only benzos that are required to knock someone out.

I know this to my cost having taken Piriton for angry mozzie bites a few years ago, and I was out for the count. They are also used in OTC freely available sleep aid Nytol here, and were always available OTC in the Iberian peninsula too, as both an anti histamine and a sleep aid. Dormidina is one brand.

Just a counterpoint and it's a theory as valid as any other.

Day Lewin · 28-06-2020 07:10PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Drowsy anti histamines like Piriton would not show up on a drug test panel I don't think. Just saying that it is not only benzos that are required to knock someone out.

I know this to my cost having taken Piriton for angry mozzie bites a few years ago, and I was out for the count. They are also used in OTC freely available sleep aid Nytol here, and were always available OTC in the Iberian peninsula too, as both an anti histamine and a sleep aid. Dormidina is one brand.

Just a counterpoint and it's a theory as valid as any other.

Ah well, not all theories are as valid as others -- there probably wasn't an alien spaceship, for example.

Coshing the kid to make it sleep also seems unlikely. Cos then, if you found the kid concussed, you probably wouldn't rush back and start a huge search.

So not all theories are created equal. Since there is no forensic evidence, we must try to assess what seems likeliest. And to tell the truth, usually the simplest explanation IS the likeliest.

No body, no trace was ever found, and the family had no car. And there was a paedophile in the area. Abduction is not at all impossible.

Plumbthedepths · 28-06-2020 07:37PM

Day Lewin wrote: »

Ah well, not all theories are as valid as others -- there probably wasn't an alien spaceship, for example.

Coshing the kid to make it sleep also seems unlikely. Cos then, if you found the kid concussed, you probably wouldn't rush back and start a huge search.

So not all theories are created equal. Since there is no forensic evidence, we must try to assess what seems likeliest. And to tell the truth, usually the simplest explanation IS the likeliest.

No body, no trace was ever found, and the family had no car. And there was a paedophile in the area. Abduction is not at all impossible.

Has anyone really suggested she was taken by Aliens?
There is no evidence of anything, so the poster is right any theory is valid. There is no hierarchy of theory or opinion.

happyoutscan · 28-06-2020 07:42PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Has anyone really suggested she was taken by Aliens?
There is no evidence of anything, so the poster is right any theory is valid. There is no hierarchy of theory or opinion.

Some theories are stupid.

Plumbthedepths · 28-06-2020 07:45PM

happyoutscan wrote: »

Some theories are stupid.

Agreed about the Alien suggestion, the rest I have read do have some validity.

Spanish Eyes · 28-06-2020 08:22PM

Any update on the alleged German Pedo abductor yet?

Anyway, just to mention Leicester where the Mcs live is apparently going into lockdown because of a big cluster of Covid emerging there. Probably organised by the Aliens too.

Banana Republic. · 28-06-2020 08:33PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Any update on the alleged German Pedo abductor yet?

Anyway, just to mention Leicester where the Mcs live is apparently going into lockdown because of a big cluster of Covid emerging there. Probably organised by the Aliens too.

I posted a paper article about the lads going cold on the German as nobody came forward with the info they needed but everyone was too interested in point scoring to even debate it, this thread in a nutshell I’m afraid. I’ll try find the link for you

Banana Republic. · 28-06-2020 08:36PM

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/madeleine-mccann-suspect-christian-bs-name-wasnt-on-list-because-of-court-blunder-12010968
Think this was it and just seen this one so going to read it
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.thesun.ie/news/5588477/madeleine-mccann-witness-christian-b/amp/

From two weeks ago

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/madeleine-mccann-wells-near-suspects-house-to-be-searched-by-police-12007430

Happy4all · 28-06-2020 08:38PM

the German story is just another media creation on the anniversary to get hits and print sales.

nothing new and it will all be still unsolved come next year's anniversary.

Banana Republic. · 28-06-2020 09:35PM

Happy4all wrote: »

the German story is just another media creation on the anniversary to get hits and print sales.

nothing new and it will all be still unsolved come next year's anniversary.

Sadly the most correct post on this thread.

SusieBlue · 28-06-2020 09:55PM

Happy4all wrote: »

the German story is just another media creation on the anniversary to get hits and print sales.

nothing new and it will all be still unsolved come next year's anniversary.

The German prosecutor has said they have concrete evidence that Madeleine is dead. Since day 1 of the investigation, no police force or investigator has ever made such a serious statement as that.

They have apparently been aware of this guy & investigating him for the last 3 years, we only found out about it last month. I’d be inclined to wait and see what comes of it before dismissing it as a media creation. The prosecutor did say they have concrete evidence she is dead, and I highly doubt he’d make a public claim like that unless it was true.

limnam · 28-06-2020 09:59PM

Strange bunch the Germans though.

There is still “a little bit of hope” Madeleine McCann may be alive, the German prosecutor investigating her disappearance has admitted – despite previously claiming there was evidence she was dead.

strandroad · 28-06-2020 10:01PM

limnam wrote: »

Strange bunch the Germans though.

There is still “a little bit of hope” Madeleine McCann may be alive, the German prosecutor investigating her disappearance has admitted – despite previously claiming there was evidence she was dead.

That's consistent with seeing a photo or video of someone deceased; you could argue that any such photo could in theory be staged.

Madeleine McCann

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