FF/FG/Green Next Government

Shefwedfan · 27-06-2020 04:46PM

mountai wrote: »

Congratulations to the NEW Government .!! . Never so many MINISTERS , JUNIOR MINISTERS , and of course SUPER JUNIOR MINISTERS . The TROUGH gets bigger and BIGGER . I never thought Id say this ---- I will vote for the SHINNERS next time . !!!

But early to predict voting?

Maybe this will be a roaring success, you still going to vote SF then?

namloc1980 · 27-06-2020 04:47PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Yes existing, but it shows even without investment it can be done in 1.45 which is similar and safer to a car. With investment that could be 1 hour

Put in direct trains etc....

The lack of vision is alarming, are people really this closed minded to change? If it doesn’t involve sitting in a car people seem to have a huge fear factor

You're comparing a car journey which is end to end to a train journey from station to station. What about the time to get to the station and get to the destination at the other end - you're conveniently ignoring that.

By the way I'm a big advocate for public transport but let's get real, there is no link from Cork to Limerick. It's a piss poor service that would need huge investment to make worthwhile and actually useful.

Itssoeasy · 27-06-2020 04:47PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Yes existing, but it shows even without investment it can be done in 1.45 which is similar and safer to a car. With investment that could be 1 hour

Put in direct trains etc....

The lack of vision is alarming, are people really this closed minded to change? If it doesn’t involve sitting in a car people seem to have a huge fear factor

Ah yeah sure just run direct trains somewhere between all the cork to Dublin trains and then limerick to limerick junction. Piece of cake except you can't go direct from cork to limerick by train otherwise it would already happen. The infrastructure doesn't allow it.

The lack of vision you say when you think you IR can put on direct trains between cork and limerick just like that.

If I may be so forward but do you live in either limerick or cork or anywhere between the two cities ?

Itssoeasy · 27-06-2020 04:49PM

is_that_so wrote: »

She's Green, the portfolio title should have told you that! Can you actually imagine a Pippa in either of the other two?!

She might not have been a green. It's not wise to assume or presume things.

namloc1980 · 27-06-2020 04:50PM

is_that_so wrote: »

She's Green, the portfolio title should have told you that! Can you actually imagine a Pippa in either of the other two?!

She's a senator? When was the last senator to get a junior minister gig? The elected Green TDs left on the sideline won't be happy I'd imagine.

Shefwedfan · 27-06-2020 04:51PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Ah yeah sure just run direct trains somewhere between all the cork to Dublin trains and then limerick to limerick junction. Piece of cake except you can't go direct from cork to limerick by train otherwise it would already happen. The infrastructure doesn't allow it.

The lack of vision you say when you think you IR can put on direct trains between cork and limerick just like that.

If I may be so forward but do you live in either limerick or cork or anywhere between the two cities ?

Infrastructure doesn’t allow it? So it’s impossible to connect train lines?

I don’t live in Limerick or Cork, I do travel to cork regular via train and I never noticed this backlog of trains you suggest are on the track?

How many billion is going to be spent on the road? How much would it cost to connect the lines?

Would some of those billion help open the train line to Navan which would cost 300m?

Sound like a plan?

Itssoeasy · 27-06-2020 04:52PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

She's a senator? When was the last senator to get a junior minister gig? The elected Green TDs left on the sideline won't be happy I'd imagine.

Well they were hardly going to give ministry's of any kind to TDs who actively campaigned to not go into government.

namloc1980 · 27-06-2020 04:53PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Well they were hardly going to give ministry's of any kind to TDs who actively campaigned to not go into government.

There are Green TDs who supported the PfG who have been overlooked in her favour. Odd one.

is_that_so · 27-06-2020 04:54PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

She's a senator? When was the last senator to get a junior minister gig? The elected Green TDs left on the sideline won't be happy I'd imagine.

Well it's a government of two halves so they may get their chance. They'll get plenty of committee work.

27-06-2020 04:55PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Didn't bicycles just get more expensive to absorb the BTW subsidy when it was introduced?

No, because the subsidy still isn't available to lots of buyers - teenagers, students, self employed people, retired people - it is focused on higher rate tax payers, not on the whole population.

It doesn't work for 'serious' cyclists either, as €1k doesn't get you far if you want to get into club cycling.

Sierra Oscar · 27-06-2020 04:56PM

Dara Calleary will be disappointed at being overlooked for a full cabinet role.

LawBoy2018 · 27-06-2020 04:56PM

I'm shocked that MM made Calleary chief whip/super junior. What could the reason be? Is he watching his back?

Sierra Oscar · 27-06-2020 04:57PM

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

I'm shocked that MM made Calleary chief whip/super junior. What could the reason be? Is he watching his back?

Probably hoping that he is loyal enough not to make a big fuss over it. Which he probably won't, so a shrewd move.

27-06-2020 04:57PM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Dara Calleary will be disappointed at being overlooked for a full cabinet role.

life is tough

that fella was overpromoted to ff front bench in the last days of cowen and did little since to disabuse anyone of that.

a party loyalist of limited capability if ever there was one

Itssoeasy · 27-06-2020 04:58PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Infrastructure doesn’t allow it? So it’s impossible to connect train lines?

I don’t live in Limerick or Cork, I do travel to cork regular via train and I never noticed this backlog of trains you suggest are on the track?

How many billion is going to be spent on the road? How much would it cost to connect the lines?

Would some of those billion help open the train line to Navan which would cost 300m?

Sound like a plan?

The lines are connected obviously but not directly. You need to go to limerick junction to get to limerick.

Well then if you live in either place why the hell are you so stuck on this particular motorway ?

The railway to navan is already there it's just not used by passengers, it's used for freight.So again making statements that show a lack of understanding. You're asking to open up a line which exist already.

FrancieBrady · 27-06-2020 05:03PM

Plenty of jobs for the girls and boys who said yes.

More ministers than a World gsthering of Baptists.

efanton · 27-06-2020 05:05PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I think the one word you mentioned which is relevant is “existing”

Investing in the train will provide a better and more green transport option. As mentioned the numbers are less than 1% of the population so building a new motorway is a waste. A new train system can be used by tourist etc so a better investment

please stop and think this through.

There is no direct service between Cork and Limerick.

Many of the services do not even stop in Charleveille.

the vast majority of those commuting live no where near a station even if a service was provided.

You can't run slower commuter trains (because of stops) on the same track as fast intercity trains, unless you lay an additional track.

Even if you were in to increase the number of trains on existing lines the journey time would not be significantly less. (you might be able to reduce waiting between train at Limerick junction but that is all).

Even if you were to buy new trains and upgrade the stations to be able to handle additional trains, the vast majority of people using the N20 would still be using the N20.

You now have the problem of providing parking for those that would drive to stations or providing feeder busses to these stations.

Trains do not address the issue of HGV's and goods vehicles, going through small towns and villages.

If you want a commuter rail service from Limerick to Cork you are simply going to have to build a new rail line. At a minimum a brand new line from Charleville to Limerick city and a single additional track between Charleville and Cork so that intercity train can pass commuter trains. You would still have to build the bypasses for Charleville, Buttevant, Mallow and Ballybeg that were put on hold because building a M20 would negate the need for these.

Forget about your stupid 1% argument. 1% of people do not use the N11, M1, N2, N3, or N4. Yet these all needed major upgrades to stop gridlock in the towns and villages along them.
Can you name a single road in the entire country where at least 1% of the population uses it every day, I very much doubt it.
It's not about the percentage of population its about the capacity of that road to carry the traffic that is on it. Currently the N20 is way beyond its capacity (120+ %), which is why there is so many deaths on this road every single year and why there is serious traffic congestion in the towns and villages along it. I take it that people dying needlessly bothers you and you would want that to stop.

BonnieSituation · 27-06-2020 05:08PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Cork south central now has the Taoiseach, minister for foreign affairs, and public expenditure which are three big cabinet positions while cork north central has mike Barry and a token ring road. Brilliant. Ffs.

But they're national legislators, it shouldn't really matter where they're from.

Geographic spread is one thing I despise in Irish politics. Essentially getting a ministry because you're from Waterford etc.

Truthvader · 27-06-2020 05:08PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Ruling something out in any and all circumstances and then going ahead and doing it is a form of lying in most people's eyes.

Can we grow up? Neither FG nor FF wanted anything to do with each other but the threat of Sinn Fein has forced them to realise that there was really no difference between them. Neither were lying. Doubt if either could have articulated a real difference if they were asked. Hopefully the SF distraction will wither away and perhaps Labour and the Greens can assemble a decent more left wing alternative to FF/FG who should really merge

Fann Linn · 27-06-2020 05:09PM

I wonder if Jim O Callaghan and a few others of the disgruntled will be sharpening the knives. Reported that Anne Rabbitte wasn't looking too happy either leaving the centre.
Looking forward to the next episode in this series.

Cal4567 · 27-06-2020 05:12PM

The life of this government will comprise the 100 year anniversaries where great granddads of both main parties TDs resorted to killing each other, a mere matter of months after when they were supposed to be 'comrades in arms' in the fight for independence.

At least these days they are not bringing revolvers in with them, so that's progress.

Truthvader · 27-06-2020 05:14PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Which would have included talking to SF.
So in some instances the ideology was immovable and dogmatically insisted upon.

If they had talked and been unable to reach an agreement fair enough. But refusing outright to enter negotiations combined with guff about SF being 'unfit' was dogmatic ideology at its worst and an insult to the mandate which, like it or not, SF received from the electorate.

FF and FG do not get to decide who is and is not 'fit' - especially when they seek the support of the likes of Lowry. If they can accept Lowry has a mandate- they can accept SF have one. And going on number of seats a stronger one than FG.

And once again before the 'shinnerbot' BS starts I did not give SF even a preference vote. I did give the Greens one and even though not elected that candidate spoke out against the PfG.

Good point re Lowry. If they had more integrity they should have had nothing to do with him.Doesn't justify having anything to do with SF though

BonnieSituation · 27-06-2020 05:15PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Yes existing, but it shows even without investment it can be done in 1.45 which is similar and safer to a car. With investment that could be 1 hour

Put in direct trains etc....

The lack of vision is alarming, are people really this closed minded to change? If it doesn’t involve sitting in a car people seem to have a huge fear factor

We need both!

Transportation should never be either/or.
It should be the best solution for the problem.

In the case of Limerick-Cork there are 2 problems that require 2 solutions.

I'm not at all a road obsessive and but if you drove between mallow and Charleville and had the displeasure of Newtwopothouse and Buttevant you'd understand.

The M20 and the N2/A5 are essential.

Heavy rail upgrades are essential.

Metrolink is essential.

Bus connects is essential.

Bicycle infrastructure is essential.

Shefwedfan · 27-06-2020 05:16PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

The lines are connected obviously but not directly. You need to go to limerick junction to get to limerick.

Well then if you live in either place why the hell are you so stuck on this particular motorway ?

The railway to navan is already there it's just not used by passengers, it's used for freight.So again making statements that show a lack of understanding. You're asking to open up a line which exist already.

You don’t need a direct link unless it’s slower than via car, even via limerick junstion it is the same, with a proper service it would be faster

The limerick to cork road is just a valid discussion point as people want a road when they have alternatives, a train alternative which few in Ireland have

I know all about Navan, I know it’s not open and a report said 300m to make it available to people. Read the report it was shared on here. So lack of understanding is on your side

Snow Garden · 27-06-2020 05:17PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Don't know the name yet but seems to be FF have it. Maybe give it to Stephen Donnelly, he's an expert in everything.

Donnelly for health alright. That will be interesting. I thought he was poor during election interviews.

BonnieSituation · 27-06-2020 05:17PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

I wonder if Jim O Callaghan and a few others of the disgruntled will be sharpening the knives. Reported that Anne Rabbitte wasn't looking too happy either leaving the centre.
Looking forward to the next episode in this series.

Hopefully. JOC will have the sister on the case now.

Who got AG?

lawrencesummers · 27-06-2020 05:19PM

Who is gonna get finance?

Pascal presumably?

Shefwedfan · 27-06-2020 05:20PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

We need both!

Transportation should never be either/or.
It should be the best solution for the problem.

In the case of Limerick-Cork there are 2 problems that require 2 solutions.

I'm not at all a road obsessive and but if you drove between mallow and Charleville and had the displeasure of Newtwopothouse and Buttevant you'd understand.

The M20 and the N2/A5 are essential.

Heavy rail upgrades are essential.

Metrolink is essential.

Bus connects is essential.

Bicycle infrastructure is essential.

Ireland does not have an unlimited budget so it’s either or

So far roads have always won and we are in a mess, trains should now be answer going forward

I know the road, take a few cars off it and into train and you will resolve some of the issues

Loafing Oaf · 27-06-2020 05:20PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Hopefully. JOC will have the sister on the case now.

Who got AG?

Heard some Gallager guy mentioned on the radio

namloc1980 · 27-06-2020 05:20PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Who is gonna get finance?

Pascal presumably?

Yes. The only choice really.

FF/FG/Green Next Government

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