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the 'there's no such thing as a stupid question' bike maintenance thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,741 ✭✭✭brownian


    grogi wrote: »
    BBright is not a threaded bottom braket, it is pressed in. Wheelsmfg make them with additional threading of two halfes inside of the tubes, to elliminate squiqs and any additional sound effects.

    Anyway, it shouldn't be like that. I guess what happened is the fantastic tolerances of Cervello frames prevented the workshop to rotate the halves further and bring them closer (that's why Hambini makes them in one piece).

    If there is no play, I wouldn't worry about it too much tough. You might just have a bit wider stance or slightly off chainline if it is on drive side.

    As it turns out, when I took the crank off again for new photos, I tried just tightening it up by hand. To my astonishment, I was able to turn the DS cup easily, and to screw it right flush to the frame. Why I didn't think of this before asking here, I don't know! The workshop responsible for fitting the BB should perhaps have added a little loctite to stop it coming loose, or else could have tightened it more. I don't have BB wrenches, but when next I'm in a bike shop, I'll get them to do this...and I'll keep a close eye in the interim.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭Type 17


    Don't leave it too long, as looseness causes wear on the interface surfaces, and you don't want to damage the frame.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,863 ✭✭✭✭crosstownk


    crosstownk wrote: »
    While cleaning one of the bikes today, I noticed that there is a small bit of play in the freehub i.e. if I hold the cassette, I can rock it up and down by a small amount - less than 1mm.

    Out on a spin on this bike today and the shift on the larger sprockets of the cassette weren't as crisp as I'd expect. At one point I looked down and the cassette was visibly 'wobbling'. I changed up and pedalled backward and that stopped the wobble.

    I'll have to remove the cassette and check further. Pain in the ass.

    Any pointers...?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,451 ✭✭✭cletus


    crosstownk wrote: »
    Out on a spin on this bike today and the shift on the larger sprockets of the cassette weren't as crisp as I'd expect. At one point I looked down and the cassette was visibly 'wobbling'. I changed up and pedalled backward and that stopped the wobble.

    I'll have to remove the cassette and check further. Pain in the ass.

    Any pointers...?

    Have you checked of the lockring is loose?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,863 ✭✭✭✭crosstownk


    cletus wrote: »
    Have you checked of the lockring is loose?

    It's tight. The cassette feels like it's solid as unit - no play or movement between sprockets that I'd expect from a loose lock ring. I'm thinking that it's the free hub that needs adjusting/tightening.

    Maybe I should remove the cassette and grab the free hub body and check for play to be sure.

    A job for tomorrow as I'm on Guinness number three now. Not a good idea to be messing with the bike right now!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭Tony04


    Is there lateral wheel play? Is your derailleur hanger bent?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,863 ✭✭✭✭crosstownk


    Tony04 wrote: »
    Is there lateral wheel play? Is your derailleur hanger bent?
    No and no.

    EDIT: My other bike has similar movement at the cassette. Maybe it’s normal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭Tony04


    That should limit whatever is loose to the freehub /cassette correct me if I'm wrong
    So is your freehub loose? Unlikely...
    Are you sure you installed the right spacers with the cassett?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭Tony04


    crosstownk wrote: »
    No and no.

    EDIT: My other bike has similar movement at the cassette. Maybe it’s normal.

    Acctually quick google and its seems to be normal on other bike forums.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,451 ✭✭✭cletus


    So it looks like an indexing issue possibly? Could it be caused by wear on the cable?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,863 ✭✭✭✭crosstownk


    cletus wrote: »
    So it looks like an indexing issue possibly? Could it be caused by wear on the cable?

    I think you’re right. The cable had slipped at the cinch bolt at the RD and I adjusted and reindexed yesterday.

    I’d say I need to fine tune it.

    Thanks for the assistance and the Googling that I should have done myself!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,863 ✭✭✭✭crosstownk


    Tony04 wrote: »
    Acctually quick google and its seems to be normal on other bike forums.

    Thanks. Every day is a school day. I can’t believe I never spotted that before.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,117 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Tony04 wrote: »
    Acctually quick google and its seems to be normal on other bike forums.
    i was a little surprised to see a little bit of play when i first installed a cassette, and have noticed it a couple of times since; i thought there'd be no movement at all. just a tiny bit of play.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭woody33


    seamus wrote: »
    Doesn't necessarily need to be anything about going up and down bumps tbh. If you've been doing a lot of urban riding in high gears that can be enough to weaken the spokes on the drive side.

    If you enjoy tinkering and fixing, then half-arsed fixes on a cheaper bike is definitely the way to go about it :)
    You can't make it much worse anyway.

    Cool, half-arsed fixes are my speciality. Sometimes I even go as far as three-quarter-arsed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,418 ✭✭✭.red.


    I've a small garden shed and will probably have the bike raised on a bracket for the winter when not in use. I'll have to remove the wheels as it won't fit otherwise.
    I was wondering if I should get a dummy hub to fit when the wheels are off it?
    If I should, is it worth spending the €20+ on the park tools one or will a €5 eBay one do?
    Thanks.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,117 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    if the bike is not in danger of being knocked into, you can hang it from the saddle - i.e. put the nose over a bar or beam.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 861 ✭✭✭devonp


    hi



    in the process of replacing headset bearings ,Endurace 2013/14 model
    its at Acros ai70 type


    got bearings from https://www.airevelobearings.com/product-category/canyon-headset-bearings-spares/


    its the original headset; have disconnected brake cable , removed all upper parts; push-in top cap (not a real top cap:o) stem /handle bars, spacers, the small T6 torx screw, the two plastic bits that fit together, compression ring


    but the fork wont drop!! i can imagine theres 6 yrs of gunk holding it there


    tried tapping the steerer tube gently with rubber mallet ... no luck


    do i need to remove the top bearing for the fork to drop ??


    or might the btm bearing be so fcuked its jammed ??


    cheers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,451 ✭✭✭cletus


    devonp wrote: »
    hi



    in the process of replacing headset bearings ,Endurace 2013/14 model
    its at Acros ai70 type


    got bearings from https://www.airevelobearings.com/product-category/canyon-headset-bearings-spares/


    its the original headset; have disconnected brake cable , removed all upper parts; push-in top cap (not a real top cap:o) stem /handle bars, spacers, the small T6 torx screw, the two plastic bits that fit together, compression ring


    but the fork wont drop!! i can imagine theres 6 yrs of gunk holding it there


    tried tapping the steerer tube gently with rubber mallet ... no luck


    do i need to remove the top bearing for the fork to drop ??


    or might the btm bearing be so fcuked its jammed ??


    cheers

    You might need to be less gentle...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 861 ✭✭✭devonp


    cletus wrote: »
    You might need to be less gentle...


    yes maybe... but its a carbon steerer :eek: so i want to be as gentle as possible



    maybe i should squirt some degreaser down the head tube and up from the btm part as well... ??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭Type 17


    If you've removed the compression ring (the v-section ring with a split, that fits just above the top bearing) and all other possible impediments, then get an assistant to hold the frame while you hold a piece of scrap wood over the top of the fork steerer and hit it harder with your rubber mallet (the wood is to stop the sharp top of the fork steerer from damaging the mallet more than necessary - or you can use the wood with a regular metal hammer).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭Tony04


    Try something like wd40 gt 85 or weldtite tf2 spray over degreaser.
    Have you taken all the headset bits out like spacers etc.

    A photo might help


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 861 ✭✭✭devonp


    yes... less gently did the job ...
    its filthy up there... a lot of cleaning before the new one is fitted



    should i grease the new bearings....read somewhere about avoiding gettting grease on the steerer tube ..can cause the carbon to swell..?


    anyway i'll get to cleaning first...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭Tony04


    Any bike specific grease is designed for use with carbon of course you should grease it if you want to make it easier to take off the next time you replace it. Grease all the metal parts


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 861 ✭✭✭devonp


    took a bit of work to get the bottom bearing out...


    anyway i presume the chamfered inner race of the btm bearing should face down towards the wheel ? it slides onto the fork fine and rotates nicely



    also i have 2 types of grease...
    1. weldtite lithium grease whitish
    2. RSP bearing buster grease more browny cremey colour


    any preferences ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭Type 17


    devonp wrote: »
    took a bit of work to get the bottom bearing out...


    anyway i presume the chamfered inner race of the btm bearing should face down towards the wheel ? it slides onto the fork fine and rotates nicely



    also i have 2 types of grease...
    1. weldtite lithium grease whitish
    2. RSP bearing buster grease more browny cremey colour


    any preferences ?

    Yes, chamfered side down on the bottom race, and chamfered side up on the top race.

    Cartridge bearings like these are lubed inside already, so grease is only required to prevent corrosion (in the frame's bearing seat/on the outside of the cartridge bearing) from water ingress. In cases like this, it doesn't really matter which type of grease you use.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 861 ✭✭✭devonp


    one last biggie question...


    just came across a you tube video where a press tool was use to insert the bearings ???


    top bearing seems fine to push in by hand but the btm bearing is very reluctant to get into the head tube :(:(


    LBS time ??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭Type 17


    Is the frame's seat clean? Even a bit of grit will jam everything up.

    Likewise a small burr or ding will stop the bearing going in smoothly (but can be filed away carefully, if required)

    Is the old bearing exactly the same diameter? Some headset bearings differ in size by only 0.1mm (Why, frame manufacturers, why?!) and even this small a difference is effectively the wrong size. Hold the outside of the old and new bearings between your fingers and see if they feel identical or a tiny bit different.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 861 ✭✭✭devonp


    had to hammer the old btm bearing out and it broke.....inner race and balls and seals ...could the outer race still be stuck inside the head tube ?


    the new bearing will go in but only about 2mm then it jams..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,731 ✭✭✭Type 17


    Pic of the lower seat of the frame required...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 861 ✭✭✭devonp


    hopefully this uploads


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