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Police Shooting USA. Rayshard Brooks.

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    #2492
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,982 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    AbusesToilets wrote: »
    You clearly can't offer a definition, as you've dodged multiple times at time point, in favor making wildly inaccurate claims.

    If you earnestly need a definition google it. It’s common knowledge. What have I said that confused you about the term? Please explain so maybe I can help


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    #2493
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,982 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It's pedantic deflection to ask you why you think it was murder, when so many others don't think it was?

    He’s charged with felony murder isn’t he?

    If you read the thread, you know everything I had to say about the nit and grit so why bother repeating myself?


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    #2494
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Overheal wrote: »
    He’s charged with felony murder isn’t he?

    If you read the thread, you know everything I had to say about the nit and grit so why bother repeating myself?

    For someone who doesn't like to repeat themselves, it's remarkable you've racked up 322 posts in this thread with all of them having unique content.

    You know I'm not a troll so it would be easier to explain it to me again. We both know how threads work. I'm not going back to find your exact reasoning for why you think he was murdered.


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    #2495
    AbusesToilets
    Registered Users Posts: 10,020 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Overheal wrote: »
    If you earnestly need a definition google it. It’s common knowledge. What have I said that confused you about the term? Please explain so maybe I can help

    You dodge and dodge, because you know you can't provide one. You just want to be able to throw the term around as means to push a message of divisiveness.


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    #2496
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,982 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    AbusesToilets wrote: »
    You dodge and dodge, because you know you can't provide one. You just want to be able to throw the term around as means to push a message of divisiveness.

    So you’re suggesting no definition exists for the term People of Color?

    Seems far fetched.


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    #2497
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,982 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    For someone who doesn't like to repeat themselves, it's remarkable you've racked up 322 posts in this thread with all of them having unique content.

    You know I'm not a troll so it would be easier to explain it to me again. We both know how threads work. I'm not going back to find your exact reasoning for why you think he was murdered.

    QED: if you can narrow it down to 322 posts that’s not too much trouble to read. I’m willing to bet you can narrow it further still to find my reasoning.

    Suffice to say that the officer is behind bars for felony murder charges. That you choose not to believe it was murder in spite of all indication to the contrary, that’s just not something that interests me greatly, it certainly doesn’t inspire me to re-illustrate the matter for you personally.


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    #2498
    [Deleted User]
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    Overheal wrote: »
    QED: if you can narrow it down to 322 posts that’s not too much trouble to read. I’m willing to bet you can narrow it further still to find my reasoning.

    Suffice to say that the officer is behind bars for felony murder charges. That you choose not to believe it was murder in spite of all indication to the contrary, that’s just not something that interests me greatly, it certainly doesn’t inspire me to re-illustrate the matter for you personally.

    I don't think I've ever come across someone who bases their opinion of someone's guilt on the fact they've been charged with something.

    Do you think it was murder because he was running away? For so many posts, it's bizarre you have such little interest in discussing this.


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    #2499
    AbusesToilets
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    Overheal wrote: »
    So you’re suggesting no definition exists for the term People of Color?

    Seems far fetched.

    No definition that stands up to the slightest bit of scrutiny


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    #2500
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,982 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    AbusesToilets wrote: »
    No definition that stands up to the slightest bit of scrutiny

    How’s that?


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    #2501
    AbusesToilets
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    Overheal wrote: »
    How’s that?

    Exactly how it is, hence you're refusal to define it.


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    #2502
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,982 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    AbusesToilets wrote: »
    Exactly how it is, hence you're refusal to define it.

    No clearly you are beating far around the bush to make some point so just make it or stop wasting everyone’s time.


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    #2503
    AbusesToilets
    Registered Users Posts: 10,020 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Overheal wrote: »
    No clearly you are beating far around the bush to make some point so just make it or stop wasting everyone’s time.

    I made my point. You throw out the POC term to bolster your argument, but asked to define what that means, you refuse. You can't produce one, as it's a nonsense term.


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    #2504
    Manic Moran
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    PoC is a little nebulous, in that depending on who you talk to, it can include white hispanics. So it's either a way of saying "Non-whites", or it's saying "non-whites-not-directly-descended-from-Europeans-without-swinging-by-Central-or-south-America-first"

    https://www.npr.org/2020/02/09/803809670/why-labeling-antonio-banderas-a-person-of-color-triggers-such-a-backlash

    GreeBo wrote: »
    Hang on though the taser was either a life threatening situation that needed deadly force or it wasn't, you can't have it both ways!

    If there was no imminent threat to life, why shoot at him 3 times?!

    Life, limb, or eyesight is generally sufficient.


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    #2505
    AbusesToilets
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    Manic Moran wrote: »
    PoC is a little nebulous, in that depending on who you talk to, it can include white hispanics. So it's either a way of saying "Non-whites", or it's saying "non-whites-not-directly-descended-from-Europeans-without-swinging-by-Central-or-south-America-first"

    https://www.npr.org/2020/02/09/803809670/why-labeling-antonio-banderas-a-person-of-color-triggers-such-a-backlash




    Life, limb, or eyesight is generally sufficient.

    What's a non white then?


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    #2506
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    AbusesToilets wrote: »
    What's a non white then?

    I think it's BAME this side of the pond.


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    #2507
    y0ssar1an22
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    i posted a while back about the police code of conduct changing the definition of a lethal weapon. turns out it was changed after the shooting of Rayshard, so a taser is no longer considered a lethal weapon.

    at the very least, this case should be pretty groundbreaking.

    all can acknowledge it was a tragedy. however the only point that is (should be) relevant; was the officer justified given the circumstances and the code of conduct at the time.


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    #2508
    weldoninhio
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    Overheal wrote: »
    I was aware of the generic child abuse charges but not felony battery. Seems as the thread lingers the rap sheet of a dead man keeps getting longer to justify why he needed to be murdered

    His rap sheet is the same length it was before he was neutralised.


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    #2509
    Overheal
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    His rap sheet is the same length it was before he was neutralised.

    It gets more colorful every time it’s mentioned.

    First it was “tortured” his kids. Then that was rubbished and now we’re crept back to “beating his kids” without clear evidence the abuse charge was for, example, brutality and not nutritional neglect, which is one way the charge will stick to a defendant.


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    #2510
    punisher5112
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    Overheal wrote: »
    It gets more colorful every time it’s mentioned.

    First it was “tortured” his kids. Then that was rubbished and now we’re crept back to “beating his kids” without clear evidence the abuse charge was for, example, brutality and not nutritional neglect, which is one way the charge will stick to a defendant.

    Either way he wasn't a very good father was he....


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    #2511
    BattleCorp
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    Overheal wrote: »
    It gets more colorful every time it’s mentioned.

    First it was “tortured” his kids. Then that was rubbished and now we’re crept back to “beating his kids” without clear evidence the abuse charge was for, example, brutality and not nutritional neglect, which is one way the charge will stick to a defendant.

    I was the only person in this whole thread who used the word torture and I have already said I was incorrect to use that language. And I have consistently said that Brooks wasn't shot for things he did in his past, I said he was shot for what he did on the night he was shot, namely DUI, resist arrest, assault two cops, steal a police issue taser and shoot it at one of the cops.

    Brooks' rap sheet is immaterial. It was his actions on the night that got him shot.


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    #2512
    lawrencesummers
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    Danzy wrote: »
    Honest?

    Though we all have seen it in Lethal weapon and that was against a trained mercenary, which Brooks was not.

    I've seen a lad 5ft 6", high on something, a whippet have 3 bouncers struggle to take him out of a bar, they both were Judo purples and 1 played rugby for UCC at the time.

    Laurence expand your horizons man outside of the internet.

    No purple belt in judo.


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    #2513
    Overheal
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    punisher5112 wrote: »
    Either way he wasn't a very good father was he....

    That’s not a death sentence.


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    #2514
    Mic 1972
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    Overheal wrote: »
    That’s not a death sentence.


    Stealing a taser and firing at the cops was, dont forget that part


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    #2515
    Overheal
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    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Stealing a taser and firing at the cops was, dont forget that part

    No, that’s not a capital offense.

    Fundamentally I agree that it should be an offense, on statute, if it is to be the justified course of action for a police officer to dispense deadly force in response. However as things stand, stealing a taser and firing it at a cop isn’t a death sentence on the books, in a court of law, before a judge and jury, or as executed by a governor.


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    #2516
    Mic 1972
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    Overheal wrote: »
    No, that’s not a capital offense.

    Fundamentally I agree that it should be an offense, on statute, if it is to be the justified course of action for a police officer to dispense deadly force in response. However as things stand, stealing a taser and firing it at a cop isn’t a death sentence on the books, in a court of law, before a judge and jury, or as executed by a governor.


    it's not a capital offence, it's just a stupid thing to do while armed cops are trying to put cuffs on you.
    Blame it on his stupidity not on bias against blacks


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    #2517
    Overheal
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    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    it's not a capital offence, it's just a stupid thing to do while armed cops are trying to put cuffs on you.
    Blame it on his stupidity not on bias against blacks

    It’s definitely stupid to do, and is a felony, and will net you time without parole, especially while on parole. But killing him was not the appropriate escalation and that was certainly not the moment to open fire, as evidenced by a shot hitting an occupied passenger car.


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    #2518
    Mic 1972
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    Overheal wrote: »
    It’s definitely stupid to do, and is a felony, and will net you time without parole, especially while on parole. But killing him was not the appropriate escalation and that was certainly not the moment to open fire, as evidenced by a shot hitting an occupied passenger car.


    He took his chances when he had none.

    I see no bias for black people here, only an idiot being the cause of his own dead. A good lesson to learn from everybody about taking responsibility of their own actions at all times


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    #2519
    joseywhales
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    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    He took his chances when he had none.

    I see no bias for black people here, only an idiot being the cause of his own dead. A good lesson to learn from everybody about taking responsibility of their own actions at all times

    Yeah he taught him a good lesson eh?

    I think you will find the only lesson being learned is by the police who are now under intense political pressure.


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    Mic 1972
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    joseywhales wrote: »
    Yeah he taught him a good lesson eh?

    I think you will find the only lesson being learned is by the police who are now under intense political pressure.


    He could still be alive, he signed his own death sentence by being an idiot. No one is to blame here other than himself


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    #2521
    Danzy
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    joseywhales wrote: »
    Yeah he taught him a good lesson eh?

    I think you will find the only lesson being learned is by the police who are now under intense political pressure.

    He wasn't taught a lesson.

    He made a him or the other guy situation and he died.

    No lesson there.


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