Madeleine McCann

happyoutscan wrote: »

Are the images current or from 2007?

How close is very close?

Are they on the street? If so where? Distance from 'resort'? Open or bin chute style?

Underground carpark? Communal or individual?Locked or unlocked?

Collection schedule?

I could go ****ing on and on.

What ****ing nonsense.

I think it depends on what you believe yourself TBH. An open mind is a good thing.

happyoutscan wrote: »

Are the images current or from 2007?

How close is very close?

Are they on the street? If so where? Distance from 'resort'? Open or bin chute style?

Underground carpark? Communal or individual?Locked or unlocked?

Collection schedule?

I could go ****ing on and on.

What ****ing nonsense.

I meant the recycling bin Im not a monster.
#eco

Have the McCanns ever given an explanation for deleting calls and texts from that day off their phones

Genuinely asking.
It always struck me as suspicious

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Often thought about the big dumpster bins that are prevalent in Portugal and Spain. Lift the lid with the foot pedal, and anything can go in there. The trucks collect every night I think.

Could the little child have been disposed of in there? By anyone, not necessarily the parents, but they are not absolved either.

Now before the usual posters try to provoke me, it is as good a theory as anything else. Unless someone knows that the bins were checked prior to pick up. If so, fair enough. Sorry if it sounds bizarre, but everything about this case is really bizarre anyway.

I can't see the parents putting their daughter in a bin nearby, too close to the complex and would evoke a feeling of shame in the parents

I'd accept if they drove the body somewhere and put it in another bin but not close by

Did a stranger put her in the bin close by?
I don't think so, what reason would a stranger have in killing her in the room and discarding the body in a bin? Doesn't make too much sense to me

But then this is a case which doesn't make a lot of sense

I'm not so sure the body would have been found straight away: Did the police search every bin, every night, for weeks afterwards? (Doubt it!)

If there were some nasty paedophile living in, or staying in, another apartment in the same block or the same street, eyeing these children and the movements of the family:
That person could have crept in, snatched a kid, clamped his hand over her mouth and hurried back upstairs in a few minutes.

(Draw veil of horror over what happens next)

but it results in the body of a small child with gaffer tape over her mouth, dead.

Small enough to put in a black bag, keep in a freezer, drop into a dumpster many days later just like any ordinary citizen dropping out a bin bag of household rubbish.
Gone overnight between midnight and 4 a.m.

Nobody the wiser, done and dusted.

OwlsZat wrote: »

What are peoples thoughts. The deleted calls and texts are among the very increminating bits of evidence.

Surprised this element does come up more often as it's really really bizare.

Were both phones cleared of all calls and texts?

Day Lewin wrote: »

Certainly a puzzle that needs answering.
Not necessarily incriminating, but definitely calls for explanation.
Were they ever asked? It would be a reasonable question.
I mean, there could be simple, sensible explanations, too: like, the phone memory was full and they are desperately waiting for maybe a ransom demand.
They were doctors, maybe someone thought they were rich. (This is quite a common thing in Sardinia!)

(PS What is the Sigmund Freud reference that has been mentioned several times?)

If it was both phones it'd be odd to clear two of them at the same time. For both to go "full" at the same time.

What phone could you have 2007 were call history would fill it?

Very odd.

Day Lewin wrote: »

Certainly a puzzle that needs answering.
Not necessarily incriminating, but definitely calls for explanation.
Were they ever asked? It would be a reasonable question.
I mean, there could be simple, sensible explanations, too: like, the phone memory was full and they are desperately waiting for maybe a ransom demand.
They were doctors, maybe someone thought they were rich. (This is quite a common thing in Sardinia!)

(PS What is the Sigmund Freud reference that has been mentioned several times?)

Very strange behavior indeed

If I delete my phone SMS and calls it's because I want to cover up something

Then she says " They took her "

Did they sell her? Were they being blackmailed? Did they arrange the abduction? Relationship with Clement Freud

OwlsZat wrote: »

Who would they have made calls to that needed to be deleted?

1) Medical professionals. Over sededated or an injured Madeline asking for advise on what to do next. I think you can more or less eliminate this. I don't think any person with a conscience could realistically stay quiet. Unless it was a direct family member...

2) Disposal. If Madeline was dead and needed concealing someone who can give advice on what to do next. Someone in tune with what the police response will be and how to get ahead/around it.

3) Each other. If Kate discovers an overly sedated or critically injured Madeline she would without doubt ring Gerry. They're could have been a series of frantic over and back calls where the full gravity of the situation would have unfolded. *If this had happened for a missing Madeline there would have bee no reason to delete.

4) Criminal ring. CB admits himself that he smuggled children and drugs. It's possible they were provided a contact number for someone that would take her away likely for a charge or a retuned favour. The Sigmund Freud link comes to mind too.

What are peoples thoughts. The deleted calls and texts are among the very increminating bits of evidence.

This doesn't make any sense. Criminal investigators can retrieve deleted texts etc. from phones as part of an investigation. Happens all the time. And get get phone calls rang/taken very easily from phone records.

limnam wrote: »

Surprised this element does come up more often as it's really really bizare.

Were both phones cleared of all calls and texts?

No they were'nt wiped. Some messages were deleted which can be normal and to do with space. However, the call history on both phones were also selectively deleted.

This is the problem when things happen so fast. You attempted to be clever but your haste in carrying out the task you in fact do something even more incriminating. We will never know who the calls were to. We just know that the McCanns didn't want anyone to find out about them. We know that they thought they were incriminating.

flasher0030 wrote: »

This doesn't make any sense. Criminal investigators can retrieve deleted texts etc. from phones as part of an investigation. Happens all the time. And get get phone calls rang/taken very easily from phone records.

Here are the details if you have the time to find out the story for us

https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DELETED_CALLS.htm

OwlsZat wrote: »

Here are the details if you have the time to find out the story for us

https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DELETED_CALLS.htm

Excerpt from above site

'Mr and Mrs McCann were never closely questioned by the PJ about the detail of their calls, but Gerald McCann excused the deletions by saying that his telephones memory only retained details of the last ten calls made. This obvious inaccuracy (It already had retained details of 17 calls) does not appear to have been challenged by the PJ and it does not in anyway explain the selective deletions from his wifes handset.

So the bottom line is that Kate McCann was in Apartment 5A when Madeleine cried for her father between 22.30 and 23.45 on Tuesday 1st May 2007, leading to a unique flurry of late night calls and to unique calls very early the following morning. A forensic examination of the records of Madeleines attendance at the 'Lobsters' creche on Wednesday 2nd and Thursday 3rd May 2007 is critically important because if they have been falsified, to establish she was there when she was not, this case takes on an entirely new dimension and sets different search parameters.

Secondly, if the memories of the mobile telephones were deleted in way suspected, a level of cunning is implied that would be capable of conceiving plan to deliberately delay reporting Madeleines 'disappearance'; if for no other reason than to disassociate it from the crying incident on Tuesday 1st May 2007.'

Is it possible that Maddie's crying and the husbands flirting with the busty hotel worker drove her to accidentally kill the wee girl ?

antgal23 wrote: »

Excerpt from above site

'Mr and Mrs McCann were never closely questioned by the PJ about the detail of their calls, but Gerald McCann excused the deletions by saying that his telephones memory only retained details of the last ten calls made. This obvious inaccuracy (It already had retained details of 17 calls) does not appear to have been challenged by the PJ and it does not in anyway explain the selective deletions from his wifes handset.

So the bottom line is that Kate McCann was in Apartment 5A when Madeleine cried for her father between 22.30 and 23.45 on Tuesday 1st May 2007, leading to a unique flurry of late night calls and to unique calls very early the following morning. A forensic examination of the records of Madeleines attendance at the 'Lobsters' creche on Wednesday 2nd and Thursday 3rd May 2007 is critically important because if they have been falsified, to establish she was there when she was not, this case takes on an entirely new dimension and sets different search parameters.

Secondly, if the memories of the mobile telephones were deleted in way suspected, a level of cunning is implied that would be capable of conceiving plan to deliberately delay reporting Madeleines 'disappearance'; if for no other reason than to disassociate it from the crying incident on Tuesday 1st May 2007.'

Is it possible that Maddie's crying and the husbands flirting with the busty hotel worker drove her to accidentally kill the wee girl ?

Yes, this is one of the more plausible theories. Kate had talked about how Madeline was a difficult child and the lady staying above had reported the calling out for the father. I think there was also accusations of falsifying signatures in the Crech services. From memory I think this is exported in the Maddie podcast done by 9.au if you haven't listened to it it's excellent. Would certainly make it easier to move the body as some McCann defenders like to obsess about. Also they questioned Kate alone believing they would get her to confess. So seems they shared your logic.

BattleCorp wrote: »

I've deleted SMS messages to make more space on my phone. Just saying.

Does your partner delete them at the same time?

Do you delete call history to save space?

Does your partner do it at the same time?