FF/FG/Green Next Government

Shefwedfan · 24-06-2020 12:41PM

https://www.newstalk.com/news/mcdonald-government-formation-1034749

Why would they "again" try to form government? when did they try the first time?

LawBoy2018 · 24-06-2020 12:57PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

https://www.newstalk.com/news/mcdonald-government-formation-1034749

Why would they "again" try to form a government? when did they try the first time?

How would you feel if FF entered into negotiation talks with SF?

dundalkfc10 · 24-06-2020 01:04PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Look back at your original statement.

Nobody brought them home with a promise of a job.

Yes, they looked for people to apply, but they didn't bring them home with a promise of a job.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/simon-harris-response-to-hse-recruitment-call-would-warm-your-heart-988987.html

Read the article, Mr Harris said their would be a role for everybody and some could work remotely

Shefwedfan · 24-06-2020 01:04PM

LawBoy2018 wrote: »

How would you feel if FF entered into negotiation talks with SF?

That would be the end of FF....

dundalkfc10 · 24-06-2020 01:05PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

That would be the end of FF....

If the Greens say No, its going to happen.

Shefwedfan · 24-06-2020 01:06PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/simon-harris-response-to-hse-recruitment-call-would-warm-your-heart-988987.html

Read the article, Mr Harris said their would be a role for everybody and some could work remotely

I think you need to read the article.

James Brown · 24-06-2020 01:06PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Wonder how long it will take for the Mean Girls outrage to die down.

We will probably have a meme about it regularly popping up about once a month to remind us.

Leo quotes from Mean Girls: cue pages of outrage
Mary-Lou praises a convicted terrorist and evil man: nothing to see here

Leo or another FG'er says/does something quite stupid.
People comment on it.
Others make out the criticism is over the top and spend all day defending and dismissing it, while claiming it's a non-story

Shefwedfan · 24-06-2020 01:07PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

If the Greens say No, its going to happen.

Even IF MM wanted to go to SF the rest of the party won't allow it. Simple as that.

If FF did go to SF it doesn't matter about 13% they will be at 0%.

No member of FF wants to go near SF.

James Brown · 24-06-2020 01:09PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

it is possible to acknowledge that both are wrong...

They also seem to believe these things cancel each other out for some reason.

Loafing Oaf · 24-06-2020 01:11PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

If the Greens say No, its going to happen.

Martin will explore the possibility of an FF/FG government propped up by independents first. Varadkar has apparently come out against this but does he want to be seen to be 'forcing' FF into the arms of SF?
Also, is there a possibility Labour or the SDs might reconsider their position 'in the National Interest' in the event of a Green No?

dundalkfc10 · 24-06-2020 01:11PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Even IF MM wanted to go to SF the rest of the party won't allow it. Simple as that.

If FF did go to SF it doesn't matter about 13% they will be at 0%.

No member of FF wants to go near SF.

What about all the members who came out and said they should talk to SF
Mayor of Cork Ian Doyle
John McGuiness TD Carlow/Kilkenny
Deirdre Kelly

That's 3 on top of my head

Now stop making up lies

James Brown · 24-06-2020 01:14PM

Truthvader wrote: »

No word on what a "staunch Republican" is. Do they know themselves?

Enda, Simon C. and myself would be in that we would like to see a United Ireland. FF, FG and SF would be parties like minded on that. In fact the state has that desire built into it. So depending on your use/context of the word 'staunch' I would suggest we are all firmly committed to that end?

James Brown · 24-06-2020 01:15PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

How much over the odds?

Four times more than the UK government are paying.

FrancieBrady · 24-06-2020 01:16PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

No member of FF wants to go near SF.

Where's the data on this?

Several high profile members have no problem with it, why or how could you say what you did?

James Brown · 24-06-2020 01:18PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Could Martin be nudging the door open (again) to dealing with SF if the PfG goes down?

https://www.newstalk.com/news/martin-ive-no-mandate-speak-sinn-fein-government-formation-1034879

He has 'no mandate' to do that now, but he get a mandate if his party changes its mind?

The whole no plan B is just 'the art of the deal'. You don't go in looking for 'A' while saying, 'but we have a plan B'.

Podge_irl · 24-06-2020 01:35PM

Bowie wrote: »

Four times more than the UK government are paying.

They are paying cost price, which you well know. So unless Irish private hospital beds somehow cost 4 times as much as UK ones this is not true.

For the umpteenth time, the original source of the "4 times" figure was per occupied bed, not per bed.

FrancieBrady · 24-06-2020 01:38PM

I wonder will Lorna Bogue's allegations of intimidation within the Green party have much of a bearing on the outcome of their vote.

Seems to be pitched battles going on in that party.

James Brown · 24-06-2020 01:39PM

Podge_irl wrote: »

They are paying cost price, which you well know. So unless Irish private hospital beds somehow cost 4 times as much as UK ones this is not true.

For the umpteenth time, the original source of the "4 times" figure was per occupied bed, not per bed.

As compared to the UK, Four times more is the answer.

Shefwedfan · 24-06-2020 01:40PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Where's the data on this?

Several high profile members have no problem with it, why or how could you say what you did?

Which high profiles members have said they want to go into government with SF?

Charles Babbage · 24-06-2020 01:44PM

Bowie wrote: »

As compared to the UK, Four times more is the answer.

Evidence?

Loafing Oaf · 24-06-2020 01:45PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Which high profiles members have said they want to go into government with SF?

FF TD calls for party to go into coalition with SF and FG

Does John McGuinness meet your bar for 'high profile'?

Shefwedfan · 24-06-2020 01:53PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

FF TD calls for party to go into coalition with SF and FG

Does John McGuinness meet your bar for 'high profile'?

So thats one, where is the several?

Also from reading the article, if you could call it that, he says they need to consider. Is that the best you can come up with?

McMurphy · 24-06-2020 02:01PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

FF TD calls for party to go into coalition with SF and FG

Does John McGuinness meet your bar for 'high profile'?

Eamon O'Cuiv, and Pat the Cope Gallagher also if my memory is correct.

LawBoy2018 · 24-06-2020 02:10PM

McMurphy wrote: »

Eamon O'Cuiv, and Pat the Cope Gallagher also if my memory is correct.

Stephen Donnelly seemed to get on rather well with Pearse Doherty last night on Tonight VMTV.

The_Conductor · 24-06-2020 02:10PM

Truthvader wrote: »

No word on what a "staunch Republican" is. Do they know themselves?

Republicanism, in an Irish context, encompasses the political will for the reunification of Ireland and reiterates the absolute independence of Ireland, alongside a belief that the subjugation of Irish rule on any part of our island is illegitimate.

I'm sure there are other definitions out there- like to give yours?

24-06-2020 02:12PM

Bowie wrote: »

Four times more than the UK government are paying.

Different Countries. Not like for like.

ELM327 · 24-06-2020 02:14PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

FF TD calls for party to go into coalition with SF and FG

Does John McGuinness meet your bar for 'high profile'?

That will never happen.
Thankfully FG are not going to negotiate with SF.

_Kaiser_ · 24-06-2020 02:20PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Where's the data on this?

Several high profile members have no problem with it, why or how could you say what you did?

I'd rather see a FF/SF coalition (in the hope that each will moderate the other's more excessive tendencies) than a extremely fragile FF/FG/GP setup which has fundamental problems from day one.

I'd certainly prefer it to another 5 years of FG mismanagement led by the social media spin doctor, or Simon "Yes Europe" Coveney.

Truthvader · 24-06-2020 02:34PM

The_Conductor wrote: »

Republicanism, in an Irish context, encompasses the political will for the reunification of Ireland and reiterates the absolute independence of Ireland, alongside a belief that the subjugation of Irish rule on any part of our island is illegitimate.

I'm sure there are other definitions out there- like to give yours?

Nope I'm good with that. A united Ireland is not important to me one way or the other, though I expect that we (Republic of Ireland) couldn't afford to maintain the Norn Iron money pit the way the Brits do to buy off the two tribes. Accept that for many it is important to them though.

The reason I asked is that I generally only hear the phrase used to celebrate the likes of Bobby Storey and so it had come to mean "Sinn Fein/IRA thug" to my mind.

While on the subject of Bobby Storey I note that he ended his days in England availing of the NHS largesse notwithstanding his history of murder of the same people rather than take a chance in the only Republic available. I guess his own health took priority over his political allegiances- and who can blame him.

Pity he did not have the same regard for the health of others

landofthetree · 24-06-2020 02:36PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I'd rather see a FF/SF coalition (in the hope that each will moderate the other's more excessive tendencies) than a extremely fragile FF/FG/GP setup which has fundamental problems from day one.

I'd certainly prefer it to another 5 years of FG mismanagement led by the social media spin doctor, or Simon "Yes Europe" Coveney.

FF/SF is still 6 TDs short.

They would be just as fragile depending on indos or the flakey SDs.

Also how can you call FG EU yes men when all parties backed them on Brexit/EU issues.

FF/FG/Green Next Government

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