Why doesn't Simon Coveney have a Cork accent ?

ILoveYourVibes · 23-06-2020 04:25PM

i thought he did but anyway

StackSteevens · 23-06-2020 04:25PM

jimgoose wrote: »

Was Flor Wycherley Protestant, or did he just have the quare surname? :pac:

https://www.corkbeo.ie/culture/family-kids/arundel-wycherley-corks-most-unusual-17490159

TheBoyConor · 23-06-2020 04:32PM

I see it is interesting he was an independent. The usual parties probably wouldn't have him on their ticket as in rural areas I'd imagine it could be bad for them. Then being an independent candidate in West Cork, he probably had enough support from his own kind to get in.
Slightly going off, but I could never understand it why they would vote in elections for a state which they are aligned against. It just never made sense to me.

Figel Narage · 23-06-2020 04:33PM

I always thought it was just an upper middle class Cork accent, I've heard it from one or two other people so seems reasonable enough

Sky King · 23-06-2020 04:34PM

Damian F wrote: »

He must be the only Cork man I've ever come across that doesn't sound like he's from Cork

What about his brother, who sounds exactly like him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qzRFZ7U474

jimgoose · 23-06-2020 04:34PM

TheBoyConor wrote: »

...I could never understand it why they would vote in elections for a state which they are aligned against. It just never made sense to me.

It would be startling news indeed to the vast majority of Protestants living here that they were "aligned against" the State! :pac:

TheBoyConor · 23-06-2020 04:37PM

Anyway Coveney, he is from Carrigaline. You can't really say carrigaline these days is a Cork town anymore because it is basically all populated by imported blow-ins. I was going to call it a westbrit town, but it probably isn't even that, it's worse - its just blow ins with working in the pharma plants there with no accent and no nothing. I suppose I mean americanised millenials with no appreciation for the their celtic heritage.
I'd say if you asked 10 people in that town where are they from, 1, hardly 2 would be actually from carrigaline, as in they and their fathers before them were from there, rather than just blew in on some wind.

jimgoose wrote: »

It would be startling news indeed to the vast majority of Protestants living here that they were "aligned against" the State! :pac:

Well whatever about they themselves, their parents and grandparents were most probably against the very existence of the state.

jimgoose · 23-06-2020 04:38PM

TheBoyConor wrote: »

Anyway Coveney, he is from Carrigaline. You can't really say carrigaline these days is a Cork town anymore because it is basically all populated by imported blow-ins. I was going to call it a westbrit town, but it probably isn't even that, it's worse - its just blow ins with working in the pharma plants there with no accent and no nothing.

What the very devil is wrong with you?? :pac::pac::pac:

realdanbreen · 23-06-2020 04:42PM

TheBoyConor wrote: »

Anyway Coveney, he is from Carrigaline. You can't really say carrigaline these days is a Cork town anymore because it is basically all populated by imported blow-ins. I was going to call it a westbrit town, but it probably isn't even that, it's worse - its just blow ins with working in the pharma plants there with no accent and no nothing.

Damn Pharma plants !

should all get out of Cork Boy---and take those thousands of jobs with them.

jimgoose · 23-06-2020 04:42PM

TheBoyConor wrote: »

...Well whatever about they themselves, their parents and grandparents were most probably against the very existence of the state.

Um, no - very unlikely. Most of them are descendents of farmers/landowners and of Anglican Communion/CoI stock, they would have thought the State was just fine. My OH's uncle is the only person I am personally aware of who was shot at by one of the Black and Tans, he was a 14-year-old Protestant farm boy below near Ballycotton, where they landed at one stage. Also BTW, Theobald Wolfe Tone was a Protestant.

23-06-2020 04:44PM

Just for some balance, I remember dealing with Coveney a few times in a summer job I worked in years ago. He came in with his younger brother, who had a really bad stammer, and was really kind and caring to him. It was really nice to see. And for what it's worth Coveney was really decent too, no bull**** or pretentiousness.

realdanbreen · 23-06-2020 04:45PM

Damian F wrote: »

He must be the only Cork man I've ever come across that doesn't sound like he's from Cork

I think he spent a semester in the states one time.
Although I have an uncle in New York for 50 years and he still has a Borrisokane accent!

Tij da feen · 23-06-2020 04:45PM

TheBoyConor wrote: »

Anyway Coveney, he is from Carrigaline. You can't really say carrigaline these days is a Cork town anymore because it is basically all populated by imported blow-ins. I was going to call it a westbrit town, but it probably isn't even that, it's worse - its just blow ins with working in the pharma plants there with no accent and no nothing. I suppose I mean americanised millenials with no appreciation for the their celtic heritage.
I'd say if you asked 10 people in that town where are they from, 1, hardly 2 would be actually from carrigaline, as in they and their fathers before them were from there, rather than just blew in on some wind.

Well whatever about they themselves, their parents and grandparents were most probably against the very existence of the state.

"None of you know man, I was here before it was cool"

JohnnyFlash · 23-06-2020 04:46PM

TheBoyConor wrote: »

Anyway Coveney, he is from Carrigaline. You can't really say carrigaline these days is a Cork town anymore because it is basically all populated by imported blow-ins. I was going to call it a westbrit town, but it probably isn't even that, it's worse - its just blow ins with working in the pharma plants there with no accent and no nothing. I suppose I mean americanised millenials with no appreciation for the their celtic heritage.
I'd say if you asked 10 people in that town where are they from, 1, hardly 2 would be actually from carrigaline, as in they and their fathers before them were from there, rather than just blew in on some wind.

Well whatever about they themselves, their parents and grandparents were most probably against the very existence of the state.

You smokin’ Satan’s Lettuce, pal? Your thinking is all over the place, and there ain’t much thinking going on in the 1st place one would opine.

Truthvader · 23-06-2020 05:39PM

StackSteevens wrote: »

By what convoluted attempt at smearing a dead man can you claim that the fact that Hugh Coveney had an Ansbacher Account means that I helped to pay for his yacht?

Incidentally, there is and was absolutely nothing illegal in having an offshore account - with any bank anywhere in the world - so long as Revenue is informed of its existence and that tax is paid on any interest received.

Whatever - with your pretendy outrage. Why did he deny it so? Normal people did not have Ansbacher accounts.

Google it and do your own research. Ansbacher accounts were set up by Des Traynor for Charlie Haughey and the usual crew - and Coveney. Could well be entirely innocent. I don't think so but equally not the worst crime.

Taking an extended sailing holiday and dressing it up as virtue signalling charity is worse in my book. If you want to give to charity you can do so without alerting the media. But sure what do I know. Only have the one account in AIB

Necro · 23-06-2020 05:45PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Whatever - with your pretendy outrage. Why did he deny it so? Normal people did not have Ansbacher accounts.

Google it and do your own research. Ansbacher accounts were set up by Des Traynor for Charlie Haughey and the usual crew - and Coveney. Could well be entirely innocent. I don't think so but equally not the worst crime.

Taking an extended sailing holiday and dressing it up as virtue signalling charity is worse in my book. If you want to give to charity you can do so without alerting the media. But sure what do I know. Only have the one account in AIB

Mod:

And that is relevant to the OP of this thread how? Drop this line of conversation or don't post in this thread, thanks.

Poor_old_gill · 23-06-2020 05:57PM

realdanbreen wrote: »

Damn Pharma plants !

should all get out of Cork Boy---and take those thousands of jobs with them.

F*ckin blow-ins

Arghus · 23-06-2020 06:08PM

There's a slight tinge there, very slight. His voice rises in pitch a little bit when he sounds exasperated, which is about 50% of the time.

setanta1000 · 23-06-2020 06:24PM

TheBoyConor wrote: »

Anyway Coveney, he is from Carrigaline. You can't really say carrigaline these days is a Cork town anymore because it is basically all populated by imported blow-ins. I was going to call it a westbrit town, but it probably isn't even that, it's worse - its just blow ins with working in the pharma plants there with no accent and no nothing. I suppose I mean americanised millenials with no appreciation for the their celtic heritage.

Wow you're some gowl...yeah, why not let Carrigaline go back to what it was in the '80's - dire, dreary and depressing....oh wait....it had a lovely cinema, not!

JupiterKid · 23-06-2020 06:26PM

Simple explanation - private schooling. Boarding school especially knocks the strongest aspect out of most regional accents. Not remarking on this fact with any begrudgery as I went to private secondary school myself.

I think Simon Coveney has been one of the most capable, hard-working and competent ministers in government over the last five years and I am by no means a FG supporter.. He has handled Brexit very well. Personally, I think he would have made a much better Taoiseach than Varadkar.

His father certainly had serious questions to answer in relation to Ansbacher and other issues. It has to be seen, however, in the context of the level and extent of corruption in Irish politics in the 1980s and early 90s.

StackSteevens · 23-06-2020 06:28PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Whatever - with your pretendy outrage. Why did he deny it so? Normal people did not have Ansbacher accounts.

Google it and do your own research. Ansbacher accounts were set up by Des Traynor for Charlie Haughey and the usual crew - and Coveney. Could well be entirely innocent. I don't think so but equally not the worst crime.

Taking an extended sailing holiday and dressing it up as virtue signalling charity is worse in my book. If you want to give to charity you can do so without alerting the media. But sure what do I know. Only have the one account in AIB

Care to remind us how much the round the world trip (costs funded entirely by the Coveneys themselves) raised for Adi Roche and Chernobyl?

Thanks to their fundraising efforts, countless kids who had and have a pretty miserable existence managed to enjoy a decent life for a few months - I assume that you hate that fact too.

As for the Ansbacher account - it appears that the account was set up (by Des Trainor) without HC's knowledge. He knew that he had invested funds with Guinness and Mahon bank - what he apparently didn't know was that Haughey's corrupt crony had moved his investment money into Ansbacher. Evidently, being a total gurrier like Haughey and Ahern, Trainor got a commission from Ansbacher for every account that he opened with them.

All of this information can be found quite easily in the internet if you were even slightly interested in telling the truth about a decent dead man instead of smearing both him and his son with some of your excess slime.

Nigel Fairservice · 23-06-2020 07:02PM

A lot of people in Cork don't have very strong accents. I lived abroad for a few years and a lot of other Irish people I met knew I was Irish but couldn't tell I was from Cork. My accent comes out more when I say certain words. My missus, who isn't from Cork, pointed it out to me one day. I think it's the same for a lot of other Cork people.

NotMOL · 23-06-2020 07:06PM

saabsaab wrote: »

An educated Cork accent is kind of neutral like. Almost not an accent at all.

It the same for most places, a lot of educated people have a very neutral to no accent at all.

jimgoose · 23-06-2020 07:12PM

NotMOL wrote: »

It the same for most places, a lot of educated people have a very neutral to no accent at all.

I sound pretty much exactly like Pat Shortt. As himself, not like Tom in Father Ted!

bmc58 · 23-06-2020 07:18PM

Damian F wrote: »

He must be the only Cork man I've ever come across that doesn't sound like he's from Cork

Is that all that's bothering you? The world is in the midst of a virus pandemic and an economic meltdown and you're worried about Coveney's accent.

Loafing Oaf · 23-06-2020 07:18PM

NotMOL wrote: »

It the same for most places, a lot of educated people have a very neutral to no accent at all.

As that died-in-the-wool Limerickman Jimmy Carr once observed, "I'm English and from the Home Counties so I don't have an accent. This is just how things sound when they are pronounced properly."

cannotlogin · 23-06-2020 07:38PM

Total news to me that he doesn't have a Cork accent.

I always though he did but was from the posh part of Cork wherever that it.

saabsaab · 23-06-2020 07:38PM

NotMOL wrote: »

It the same for most places, a lot of educated people have a very neutral to no accent at all.

I guess that is mainly true but even more so in Cork.

ACitizenErased · 23-06-2020 07:46PM

I live about 5 minutes from Carrigaline. He sounds nothing like someone from Carrigaline.

StackSteevens · 24-06-2020 10:16AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I live about 5 minutes from Carrigaline. He sounds nothing like someone from Carrigaline.

Possibly because he comes from Minane Bridge - injun country!

Why doesn't Simon Coveney have a Cork accent ?

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