Cycling on paths and other cycling issues (updated title)

07Lapierre · 23-06-2020 08:39AM

Spook_ie wrote: »

Do you have to have intent from someone to feel menaced?

Example, If you were walking along a darkened street at 3-4 am and had 3 or 4 guys following you and getting closer would you feel menaced until they cross the road, pass you or turn off. If you have a heightened sense of possible danger then that is menace be it intentional or not. and you can feel menaced by cyclists on footpaths.

Is it this Guy?

Pinch Flat · 23-06-2020 08:46AM

07Lapierre wrote: »

Is it this Guy?

Not just a cyclist. A TT cyclist. :eek:

Hurrache · 23-06-2020 08:54AM

Well at least it's not a triathlete, severe lack of bottle cages and kit bags, and no sucky straw on its handlebars make that case.

https://twitter.com/tomflood1/status/1274696980829265928

magicbastarder · 23-06-2020 09:58AM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Not just a cyclist. A TT cyclist. :eek:

how come no-one has ever made a TT helmet like that? it'd be genius.

meeeeh · 23-06-2020 10:49AM

Well it's good to know there are no issues so we can just carry on as before.

Thelonious Monk · 23-06-2020 11:07AM

Make sure to wear high vis so vehicles can see you

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Hurrache · 23-06-2020 11:14AM

Not only do they not know how wide their vehicles are given the amount of close passes, they don't know how high they are either.

Bridge mustn't have had a helmet or bell, that's the only excuse left for that driver to try now.

07Lapierre · 23-06-2020 11:17AM

Hurrache wrote: »

Not only do they not know how wide their vehicles are given the amount of close passes, they don't know how high they are either.

Bridge mustn't have had a helmet or bell, that's the only excuse left for that driver to try now.

Hi viz only works at night. No Day-glow panels on the bridge? yes that must be it.

Pinch Flat · 23-06-2020 11:25AM

07Lapierre wrote: »

Hi viz only works at night. No Day-glow panels on the bridge? yes that must be it.

Needed flashing lights on the bridge as well. Anyone know if bridges pay road tax?

AndrewJRenko · 23-06-2020 11:40AM

07Lapierre wrote: »

Is it this Guy?

Look, you should really ask for permission before you publish my photo.

07Lapierre · 23-06-2020 11:40AM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Needed flashing lights on the bridge as well. Anyone know if bridges pay road tax?

Bridges! Lawbreaking scum! why in the name of God was a bridge there in the first place? they seem to think they are "higher" than the rest of us"

07Lapierre · 23-06-2020 11:48AM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Needed flashing lights on the bridge as well. Anyone know if bridges pay road tax?

Please, this thread has been "derailled" enough! don't bring road tax up again.

meeeeh · 23-06-2020 11:53AM

07Lapierre wrote: »

Please, this thread has been "derailled" enough! don't bring road tax up again.

it wasn't derailed at all. It just continues to create constant stream of superiority. I think we established that some of you think you are better than everyone else. This thread is about nothing else for a long time.

Thelonious Monk · 23-06-2020 11:57AM

meeeeh wrote: »

it wasn't derailed at all. It just continues to create constant stream of superiority. I think we established that some of you think you are better than everyone else. This thread is about nothing else for a long time.

As a city dweller I think cycling should be given more investment as it's been nothing but investment in motors till now, and cycling in cities yes is better for everyone and better for the city.
Motorists fume (literally and figuratively) that they have to share the roads with cyclists because they might be held up a few seconds or they have to be more attentive and look up from their phone to avoid killing anyone.
There's only one group with a superiority complex.

07Lapierre · 23-06-2020 11:59AM

meeeeh wrote: »

it wasn't derailed at all. It just continues to create constant stream of superiority. I think we established that some of you think you are better than everyone else. This thread is about nothing else for a long time.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2018/10/09/cyclists-are-better-drivers-than-motorists-finds-study/#615516696f6c

meeeeh · 23-06-2020 12:02PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

As a city dweller I think cycling should be given more investment as it's been nothing but investment in motors till now, and cycling in cities yes is better for everyone and better for the city.
Motorists fume (literally and figuratively) that they have to share the roads with cyclists because they might be held up a few seconds or they have to be more attentive and look up from their phone to avoid killing anyone.
There's only one group with a superiority complex.

I agree with the first part of your post. And the second parts shows very well why you are not getting anywhere. Nobody likes you (as a group).

meeeeh · 23-06-2020 12:07PM

07Lapierre wrote: »

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2018/10/09/cyclists-are-better-drivers-than-motorists-finds-study/#615516696f6c

Is that one of those Vantine's Day type studies because I found no underlying data reported like how much someone drives, age groups and similar.

AndrewJRenko · 23-06-2020 12:09PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Nobody likes you (as a group).

I'm cracking up here.

It reminds me of all the 'tone policing' of the mostly young ladies on the Repeal campaign, telling them how they really should be nicer and more polite to the mostly older men who wanted to control their bodies.

We know how that ended up.

micar · 23-06-2020 12:09PM

07Lapierre wrote: »

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2018/10/09/cyclists-are-better-drivers-than-motorists-finds-study/#615516696f6c

Totally accept and believe that. You can also add being more patient behind the wheel.

Day believes cyclists tend to be more aware of their surroundings than motorists.

“Cycling trains you to be more alert to the dangers of road use and better able to anticipate hazards,” explained Day.

liamog · 23-06-2020 12:09PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Motorists fume (literally and figuratively) that they have to share the roads with cyclists because they might be held up a few seconds or they have to be more attentive and look up from their phone to avoid killing anyone.

It's attitudes like this that annoy me about some members of the cycling lobby. There are people in all modes of transport that behave terribly on the roads. From pedestrians who play chicken, cyclists on pavements, motorists breaking red lights, taxi drivers who cut off everybody, bus drivers who don't know the size of their vehicle. Tarring everybody with the same brush just put's people on the defensive.

Most motorists would probably love proper segregated cycle facilities as it removes conflict between drastically different road users, but instead of trying to reach a mutually beneficial solution we end up slinging mud at each other because of a few bad apples.

Thelonious Monk · 23-06-2020 12:14PM

meeeeh wrote: »

I agree with the first part of your post. And the second parts shows very well why you are not getting anywhere. Nobody likes you (as a group).

No one likes us we don't care, as they say in Millwall. But cycling groups are still making strides. I don't think Dublin will be the car chocked nightmare it has been in 15 or 20 years. There'll be more and more cyclists and soon the person who thinks he can drive wherever he likes whenever he likes in the city centre will be rare.

07Lapierre · 23-06-2020 12:14PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Nobody likes you (as a group).

But, But you don't even know me! Do you?

ewc78 · 23-06-2020 12:21PM

liamog wrote: »

It's attitudes like this that annoy me about some members of the cycling lobby. There are people in all modes of transport that behave terribly on the roads. From pedestrians who play chicken, cyclists on pavements, motorists breaking red lights, taxi drivers who cut off everybody, bus drivers who don't know the size of their vehicle. Tarring everybody with the same brush just put's people on the defensive.

Most motorists would probably love proper segregated cycle facilities as it removes conflict between drastically different road users, but instead of trying to reach a mutually beneficial solution we end up slinging mud at each other because of a few bad apples.

The same poster you are replying too I believe was the one who posted he actually tries to annoy motorists on purpose and takes great delight when he does...Amazing hypocrisy.

meeeeh · 23-06-2020 12:30PM

07Lapierre wrote: »

But, But you don't even know me! Do you?

I said as a group. In the end it's about what you project not who you actually are.

AndrewJRenko · 23-06-2020 12:32PM

liamog wrote: »

It's attitudes like this that annoy me about some members of the cycling lobby. There are people in all modes of transport that behave terribly on the roads. From pedestrians who play chicken, cyclists on pavements, motorists breaking red lights, taxi drivers who cut off everybody, bus drivers who don't know the size of their vehicle. Tarring everybody with the same brush just put's people on the defensive.

Most motorists would probably love proper segregated cycle facilities as it removes conflict between drastically different road users, but instead of trying to reach a mutually beneficial solution we end up slinging mud at each other because of a few bad apples.

Presumably you are also concerned about the kind of 'law breaking scum' 'menacing with intent' tarring of cyclists that we've seen here?

Everybody agrees that there are people who behave terribly on all sides. The elephant in the room is that when drivers behave terribly, the outcome can be in a disastrously different league to when cyclists or pedestrians behave terribly. It's not a level playing field.

And really, it's not about a few bad apples. If you look at the speeding rates and mobile phone usage rates of Irish drivers, it is more like a few good apples.

Duckjob · 23-06-2020 12:33PM

liamog wrote: »

Most motorists would probably love proper segregated cycle facilities as it removes conflict between drastically different road users, but instead of trying to reach a mutually beneficial solution we end up slinging mud at each other because of a few bad apples.

Much as I'd love to believe this, it's sadly not true. If it were, answer me this:

Why, everytime there's a positive story trying to promote cycling infrastructure (which would open up cycling for everyone), the comments fill up with the same tiredold comments about breaking red lights, riding 5 abreast, lycra, tour-de-france wannabes, tights, helmet, hi-viz etc etc etc etc.

And lets not forget a healthy splodge of how "cyclists" need to start paying road tax before they get "given" anything.

None of those things have anything to do with the topic of opening up cycling for everybody.

It's been proved in other countries that cycle infrastructure, done properly, benefits everybody, including drivers. However, there's a certain mindset here that prevents certain people from seeing that bigger picture.

Hurrache · 23-06-2020 12:40PM

meeeeh wrote: »

constant stream of superiority.

The sooner you realise the truth that those of use that cycle (and drive) are much more superior, the sooner the thread can end.

Thelonious Monk · 23-06-2020 12:40PM

After decades of commuting by bike and causing no problems whatsoever for anyone, I'm just sick to teeth of every discussion on cycling in all media becomes a tirade against people just trying to get around. It's ridiculous.

Hurrache · 23-06-2020 12:42PM

liamog wrote: »

It's attitudes like this that annoy me about some members of the cycling lobby.

You've absolutely know way of knowing, we're not allowed so show our membership cards unless approached with the secret handshake, so you're just guessing.

ewc78 · 23-06-2020 12:46PM

Hurrache wrote: »

The sooner you realise the truth that those of use that cycle (and drive) are much more superior, the sooner the thread can end.

Personally I think Runners are superior to everyone.

Cycling on paths and other cycling issues (updated title)

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