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Complete DIY bathroom renovation

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,761 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    The Hansgrohe shower unit concerned me as there were so many parts and no hard copy of the instructions! However I need not have worried, there was a QR code on the box and once I scanned this there was an excellent animation on youtube that provided very helpful instructions. The example below is very similar to the one I used, but not exactly the same.



    A few tips for the "plumbers" from Durkan Residential that plumbed my house from a complete amateur that seems to have "out plumped" you:

    1) Tighten all compression fittings fully with proper fitting spanners. These cost less than €25 for a descent set.
    2) How about having a fall on waste pipes? This will help sinks drain! The long horizontal runs you installed in my home did not work very well.
    3) When possible hide pipes within stud walls and under floors, it looks so much better.
    4) Why not use a measuring tape and spirit level?
    5) Install isolation valves on all taps.
    6) Fix toilets securely!
    7) Coordinate your work with the other trades. It is best to fit basin pedestals on top of the floor tiles.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,761 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Installing the silky smooth mixer, I am very happy with this:

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    Ceiling mount shower head made from very solid stainless steel rather than chromed mild steel, a very high quality piece of kit:

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,761 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Glass wall installed, this was a 2 man job! Very easy to break as you can imagine:

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    Shower area almost completed!

    Next bug task is the sink unit, it will go here:

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,761 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Step 1, make basic cupboard unit. The holes are for the tap and the waste. In this picture you can see Tec7 on top as I am just about to fix the quartz counter top:

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,761 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Step 2, quartz (top and side), sink and tap fitted.

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,761 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Step 3, make and fit doors and shelves. Then paint.

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  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Fantastic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,405 ✭✭✭Dr_Colossus


    Those porcelain mosaics for the shower floor sure are expensive, they looks to be the same as what I went with. Great workmanship throughout.

    What type/make of grout did you use on floor and walls and did you give any consideration to epoxy grout especially when going with white colour.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,736 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Might be late now. But a heated mirror may attached to the back of that mirror will absolutely be excellent.

    I put one on ours a few months ago. And it's night and day. No more wiping it if steam gets on it it's always clear when showering.


    eBay heated mirror pads, all sorts of sizes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,578 ✭✭✭garv123


    Great job,

    My upstairs ensuite is awful. Tiles are sticking out 3-4mm in places.

    Id love to redo the lot and swap the door and shower position around, and use a much better room as the master bedroom. (no idea why they didn't do it originally)

    Does making it a wet room make it much more expensive? our shower already leaked (upstairs) so I'd be worried about that happening if it was a wet room layout.


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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,761 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Those porcelain mosaics for the shower floor sure are expensive, they looks to be the same as what I went with. Great workmanship throughout.

    Not that expensive. 1 m sq. was €100 at project.ie
    They have a very impressive setup, everything is in stock so no waiting for an order. Also they sell all of the tools, provide great advice and you can negotiate on price.

    They were not that hard to do. The blue tiles on the walls were far more difficult to work with. This was mainly because not of the the tiles were the same dimensions and many of them had a slight curve. Also I never imagined that cutting around the wall insert would be so time consuming.

    What type/make of grout did you use on floor and walls and did you give any consideration to epoxy grout especially when going with white colour.

    Flexible grout, can’t remember the make but I got it in project.ie

    I don’t think the white grout was epoxy but it is anti-mould. So far more than 6 months on only very slight discoloration at low level in the shower.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,761 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    garv123 wrote: »
    Does making it a wet room make it much more expensive?

    If done properly it will cost more but it is a much better job in my opinion.
    our shower already leaked (upstairs) so I'd be worried about that happening if it was a wet room layout.

    Again if done properly you won’t have an issue.
    Properly means:
    - Use cement board on all of the floor, all of the shower walls and well beyond.
    - Minimize penetrations through cement board. My advice:Seal every penetration will correct sealant, waterproof take and tanking kit. I managed to stick the cement board to the plywood on the floor with adhesive so no penetrations at all.
    - Minimize the amount of joins in the cement board and seal all as described above. Larger 8 x 4 sheets can help with this.
    - Support cement board really well. This can be achieved with additional battens and plywood.
    - Ensure that the shower drain lint is the lowest point the the room. Consider having the entire room self draining to that point.

    A few things to consider:
    1) Cement board has a high U value so provides great insulation.
    2) Anywhere cement board is not used moisture proof (colored green) plasterboard should be used. An example would be the ceiling.
    3) The wet room is 100% waterproof before the tiles are applied if done correctly.
    4) Your ladder will damage a cement board floor so take precautions such as spread the load with plywood.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,405 ✭✭✭Dr_Colossus


    2011 wrote: »
    Not that expensive. 1 m sq. was €100 at project.ie
    They have a very impressive setup, everything is in stock so no waiting for an order. Also they sell all of the tools, provide great advice and you can negotiate on price.

    They were not that hard to do. The blue tiles on the walls were far more difficult to work with. This was mainly because not of the the tiles were the same dimensions and many of them had a slight curve. Also I never imagined that cutting around the wall insert would be so time consuming.




    Flexible grout, can’t remember the make but I got it in project.ie

    I don’t think the white grout was epoxy but it is anti-mould. So far more than 6 months on only very slight discoloration at low level in the shower.

    Ah yes, was into them a while back as they were recommended by a few other suppliers and they were stockists of Ardex adhesives and grouts. They also stock Dunlop. They've a lovely establishment and good customer service.

    In my case I was looking to use epoxy grout especially on the floor given previous experience but it's remarkably difficult regardless of make to source in Ireland. Project Tile didn't have the Ardex EG8 epoxy in stock but were able to order it at an eye watering €143 per 4kg tub. Other Irish suppliers were even more expensive. I spoke to a number of suppliers and tilers and no one uses it here as it's apparently a lot more difficult to work with and cost/wastage is a major concern.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,468 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    Looks great, fair play.

    I'm getting a bathroom renovation done myself and the plumber was fairly opposed to an open-side on the shower like you have. Now we are using a shower tray so that could be the difference but his issue was that water will be splashing on the tiles all over beyond the shower area and cause issues.

    In the end we got a glass enclosure with a door instead of the open style.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,761 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Project Tile didn't have the Ardex EG8 epoxy in stock but were able to order it at an eye watering €143 per 4kg tub.

    From memory I paid €30ish for enough to do all of the white grout with plenty left over.
    I spoke to a number of suppliers and tilers and no one uses it here as it's apparently a lot more difficult to work with and cost/wastage is a major concern.

    The grout I used like the adhesive is the flexible type and is very easy to use.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,761 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Ush1 wrote: »
    I'm getting a bathroom renovation done myself and the plumber was fairly opposed to an open-side on the shower like you have.

    In my experience sooner or later doors break, always!
    Now we are using a shower tray so that could be the difference but his issue was that water will be splashing on the tiles all over beyond the shower area and cause issues.

    I put a mat on the ground. It soaks up splashes which are not that many due to the size of the shower and the fact that the water comes straight down from the ceiling mounted head rather than from a wall mounted shower head.

    Anyway the idea of the wet room was that it could cope with water everywhere :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,140 ✭✭✭thomas anderson.


    You've done a savage job in fairness

    My ONLY gripe is the white plastic extractor cover. I was in a local hardware shop last weekend and they had these cool flat chrome ones, that just looked like a plate, the vents were hidden around the back of it.

    Other than that ......


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,761 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    My ONLY gripe is the white plastic extractor cover.

    Yes, I see your point.
    However there are a few things I have not got around to saying in this thread....Like total cost and issues I had (more of that later).

    Regarding cost:
    Labor cost was exactly €0, so far so good.
    Materials cost me around €6,500 :eek:

    This included:
    Shower unit about €850
    Toilet €420
    Large mirror & 2 toughened glass shelves €160
    Quartz counter top & side €350
    Triple glazed window €420
    Tap €120
    Sink €80
    Cement board shower tray €180
    + lots and lots of other things.....

    I also had to redo all of the waste pipes outside for this bathroom and the en suite. So 2 toilet wastes, 2 sink wastes and one shower waste.

    So when it came to the fan I reused one from the en suite which I am doing up at present (for another thread). This is a high quality (admittedly ugly) 12V Vortice unit that is specially designed to be safely installed in a shower cubicle (due to the voltage rating). They cost around €120 for the fan unit and the transformer. I had run out of money! Eventually I intend to replace it with something more aesthetically pleasing.
    I was in a local hardware shop last weekend and they had these cool flat chrome ones, that just looked like a plate, the vents were hidden around the back of it.

    This sounds nice, but it is most likely mains voltage, as such not suitable for use in the shower cubicle. Although I am not a qualified plumber, tiler or builder I am a qualified electrician and electrical engineer, so it is the only area I have some formal training in :):D Anyway I accept your point, the fan looks cr@p.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,736 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    That's extremely pricey. Are you sure it's come to that money ?

    I redid ours last year full tear out. Cost around 2.5k labour free.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,761 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    listermint wrote: »
    That's extremely pricey. Are you sure it's come to that money ?

    Not completely sure to be honest. But even from the prices above you can see how it is adding up. What I listed there around your €2,500


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9 _Bow_Wow_


    Excellent work. Can't wait to see the results


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,736 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    2011 wrote: »
    Not completely sure to be honest. But even from the prices above you can see how it is adding up. What I listed there around your €2,500

    Aye but How'd you add in the extra 4k?

    Seems way off for the work done DIY.

    Mine had a bath and an oak parquet floor put down too reclaimed oak.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,761 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    listermint wrote: »
    Aye but How'd you add in the extra 4k?

    I'm not sure to be honest, I’m starting to think it is inaccurate, but I talked to a few builders who say it sounds about right. I never totted the cost up properly and the work was done over a protracted period (5 months) so I could be off.
    It was way beyond what I expected to spend. All of the materials are very high quality and individually the the prices seemed reasonable. The problem was the shear volume of materials required for a bathroom that size. I was determined not to cut corners.

    There were hidden costs such as:
    1) Insulating under the floor to limit noise transfer. Re-insulating the attic over the bathroom because I wrecked what was there pulling cables and piping.
    2) Multiple trips to the local dump.
    3) Doing the soil stack and waste pipes outside twice (not well done first time).
    4) A lot of pain was required, I used Colourtrend (5 pots) which is not cheap.
    5) I replaced every pipe fitting I uncovered (which was a lot due to the proximity of the hot press) as the existing push fit ones not not properly installed.
    6) Due to my lack of experience I over engineered much of the work. This meant a lot more Tec7, fixings (screws, frame fixings, so, so many!!), plywood (marine, 4 sheets), Marmox waterproof tape (very pricey), Marmox sealant (very pricey) and 13mm cement board (4 sheets) than were actually required.
    7) Additional tools such as G clamps, spirit level, hand saw, circular saw blade, set of special drill bits for tiles etc..
    8) Stupid things like the very solid stainless steel towel rail and toilet roll holder cost €120 and €45.
    9) I also made mistakes! For example, I realized that I did not have sufficient depth for the shower mixer tap. This meant I had to batten (3 x 2”) the outside block wall out further. I used this opportunity to add additional insulation to the outside wall. When I did this I found that the first layer of battens were not properly secured. I had to replace these too and fix with frame fixings.
    10) Many of the internal walls needed additional supports. Wood totally rotted through at one point. This has to be cut out and replaced.
    Seems way off for the work done DIY.

    True.


  • Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,734 ✭✭✭✭Black_Knight


    Where'd you get the sink? Looks along the lines of what we're looking for for our bathroom.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,761 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Where'd you get the sink? Looks along the lines of what we're looking for for our bathroom.

    soak.ie or soak.com but I think they have gone to the wall.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,140 ✭✭✭thomas anderson.


    2011 wrote: »
    soak.ie or soak.com but I think they have gone to the wall.

    Or

    Down the drain

    :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 961 ✭✭✭James 007


    Any chance of getting photos of the finished bathroom or does the wet room include the room downstairs:rolleyes:


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,761 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    My ONLY gripe is the white plastic extractor cover.

    Ever since you made this remark the fan cover has annoyed me :mad:
    So I finally dealt with it :)
    First I painted the fan cover with a suitable primer, then I applied paint that was reasonably well matched to the tile colour. Here is the result:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,236 ✭✭✭Pkiernan


    Thats a great job.


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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,761 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    James 007 wrote: »
    Any chance of getting photos of the finished bathroom or does the wet room include the room downstairs:rolleyes:

    Better late than never, here you go:

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