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Madeleine McCann

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    have done, and don't see it. unless you're referring to cnocbui's post about how rare abductions are? not exactly condoning it imo.

    from reading the claims, anyone would think there's a loud voice in this thread saying it's ok to leave your kids alone - and in fairness there is far from that. plenty of people saying it's not.

    I asked if he was condoning it. he said he was

    Making excuses for it

    Justifying it.

    Put it anyway you want.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,842 ✭✭✭irishproduce


    segosego89 wrote: »
    It was in Germany. He owned a derelict factory in Germany where he would store his white campervan(a white Allegro Bay RV he had bought in early 2010). Apparently he would drive the van to Portugal and Spain and back to Germany regularly. He made money selling drugs I think and I believe that was one of the reasons he used the campervan in order to smuggle narcotics.

    The USB sticks were buried underneath the body of his dead dog at the factory.

    Also, police found little girl swimsuits in the campervan. Here's the link to this information: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12340797

    Thanks.
    That's enough for me then. I'm gonna go with the theory that he's their guy.
    If the USB sticks were from Portugal then they were old news and already investigated.
    The fact they're from Germany and were not previously investigated by the Portuguese suggests to me at least, that they are important. My assumption now is that Madeline is on the data they retrieved from the stash at his German bolthole. Although obviously he is not in whatever image/ video they have. They need more evidence to pin him but if you discovered that kind of material in his hideout then you'd be forgiven for thinking this is our guy. Too much circumstantial stuff pointing to him. Hence they are now directing energy and resources at him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 959 ✭✭✭MonsterCookie


    more confusion:

    "The Met received one letter from the BKA on 12 June, which was passed to the family. The letter did not state that there was evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead, the MPS continues to investigate Madeleine’s disappearance as a missing person investigation. No letter has been received by the Met from the German prosecutor. "


    http://findmadeleine.com/updates/index.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    more confusion:

    "The Met received one letter from the BKA on 12 June, which was passed to the family. The letter did not state that there was evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead, the MPS continues to investigate Madeleine’s disappearance as a missing person investigation. No letter has been received by the Met from the German prosecutor. "


    http://findmadeleine.com/updates/index.html


    More nonsense . This story will fizzle out like the others. Every few years there is a new suspect . New evidence . Doesn't come to anything


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,640 ✭✭✭happyoutscan


    More nonsense . This story will fizzle out like the others. Every few years there is a new suspect . New evidence . Doesn't come to anything

    Do you think the McCanns were involved?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Do you think the McCanns were involved?

    They bare the responsibility for her disappearance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    They bare the responsibility for her disappearance.

    No, the person who abducted her is responsible for her disappearance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,640 ✭✭✭happyoutscan


    They bare the responsibility for her disappearance.

    Yawn.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Do you think the McCanns were involved?

    Well of course . They started off the chain on events . I think we can all agree on that


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    No, the person who abducted her is responsible for her disappearance.
    So leaving her alone in the apartment had no bearing?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,185 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Well of course . They started off the chain on events . I think we can all agree on that

    Finally something we can agree on. The McCanns had sex and Madeline resulted. If only they had been more careful and used a condom, none of this would ever have happened.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Finally something we can agree on. The McCanns had sex and Madeline resulted. If only they had been more careful and used a condom, none of this would ever have happened.
    Madeline was conceived by IVF. Sometimes it's best not to try and be a smartass.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,702 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    Under law who ever took her is responsible and will do the time. Any other opinion is subjective


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    So leaving her alone in the apartment had no bearing?

    Apparently not . Just one of those unfortunate things .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Finally something we can agree on. The McCanns had sex and Madeline resulted. If only they had been more careful and used a condom, none of this would ever have happened.

    Very strange post


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Apparently not . Just one of those unfortunate things .


    Different parenting styles

    Looks like playing percentages with 3 kids under 4 is grand.

    Whats the chances of been kidnapped anyway right?

    :confused::confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Hypothetically. Let's say Madeline died in a car accident while driving with Kate and Gerry . It was the other drivers fault .

    But they didn't make her wear a seat belt and wasn't in a booster seat

    Would they have any responsibility in that scenario ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    ittakestwo wrote: »
    Under law who ever took her is responsible and will do the time. Any other opinion is subjective

    That's not true at all.

    If your house got burgled, the insurance people would ask you if you left your door and windows open; if you did they won't pay you out and call you responsible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    2u2me wrote: »
    That's not true at all.

    If your house got burgled, the insurance people would ask you if you left your door and windows open; if you did they won't pay you out and call you responsible.

    Yep . Failure to safeguard your property . Needs to be forced entry


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,185 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Hypothetically. Let's say Madeline died in a car accident while driving with Kate and Gerry . It was the other drivers fault .

    But they didn't make her wear a seat belt and wasn't in a booster seat

    Would they have any responsibility in that scenario ?

    They would bare some of the responsibility, but not all.

    In the UK, one child dies, and 37 are seriously injured in car->pedestrian accidents every single week. Should parents let their kids walk to school, or the shops, to their friends house, anywhere, knowing how dangerous it potentially is?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    cnocbui wrote: »
    They would bare some of the responsibility, but not all.

    In the UK, one child dies, and 37 are seriously injured in car->pedestrian accidents every single week. Should parents let their kids walk to school, or the shops, to their friends house, anywhere, knowing how dangerous it potentially is?


    I imagine they don't let 3 kids under 4 walk anywhere alone.

    Why do you keep trying to justify

    You can't.

    There's no justification.

    It's gross negligence.

    No stat/Percentage will change that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    ittakestwo wrote: »
    Under law who ever took her is responsible and will do the time. Any other opinion is subjective

    Let’s be honest they have to catch someone first and then prove it to do the time so it’s not that simple. Whoever took her might not have done her harm that’s a possibility too. All lines of possibility are open cause there’s no definite line of inquiry.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,185 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    limnam wrote: »
    I imagine they don't let 3 kids under 4 walk anywhere alone.

    Why do you keep trying to justify

    You can't.

    There's no justification.

    It's gross negligence.

    No stat/Percentage will change that.

    I presume you would blame Lindy and Michael chamberlain for gross negligence that allowed a dingo to snatch Azaria and make of with her and then kill her? Of course you would.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    So leaving her alone in the apartment had no bearing?

    That’s not what you said. You said that her parents bear the responsibility for her disappearance, and they don’t. The person who took her bears that responsibility.

    Kate and Gerry are responsible for leaving their children unsupervised, and nothing more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    cnocbui wrote: »
    I presume you would blame Lindy and Michael chamberlain for gross negligence that allowed a dingo to snatch Azaria and make of with her and then kill her? Of course you would.


    What the McCanns did was gross,reckless negligence

    Who put drinking wine with their buddys in front of their children's safety

    They left 3 kids under fcking 4 in an unlocked apartment in a foreign country.

    There's no justification for it. There's no statistic that makes that ok.

    Cannot believe we're having discussing this. I thought everyone at least agreed on that much.

    Christ all mighty


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    That’s not what you said. You said that her parents bear the responsibility for her disappearance, and they don’t. The person who took her bears that responsibility.

    Kate and Gerry are responsible for leaving their children unsupervised, and nothing more.

    Whoa whoa whoa whoa, stop now. That’s a bit too simplistic here. They left 3 kids under 4 in an apartment for a few nights in a row with easy access to the apartment where they couldn’t watch every minute from where they were sitting so don’t make out they simply left them in the apartment with very little risk involved. You secure your kids be not going out or locking the apartment and taking every safety precaution not going to check then don’t even go into the room to check on them physically so I’m fed up of this simple narrative that the parents “only” left them in an apartment. Get your brains in gear that’s not leaving them unsupervised and nothing more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    People playing it down to "only doing x"

    It's bloody disgusting. To think what that poor girl probably went through.

    It's grand you may have been raped and murdered

    Your parents just wanted to have a drink

    :mad::mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,702 ✭✭✭ittakestwo


    2u2me wrote: »
    That's not true at all.

    If your house got burgled, the insurance people would ask you if you left your door and windows open; if you did they won't pay you out and call you responsible.

    But under law you are not responsible for the robbery. I want go to jail because I did not lock my house. If the robber is caught they will do the time as they are responsible for the robbery which is the crime.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    ittakestwo wrote: »
    But under law you are not responsible for the robbery. I want go to jail because I did not lock my house. If the robber is caught they will do the time as they are responsible for the robbery

    Child neglect is against the law.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Whoa whoa whoa whoa, stop now. That’s a bit too simplistic here. They left 3 kids under 4 in an apartment for a few nights in a row with easy access to the apartment where they couldn’t watch every minute from where they were sitting so don’t make out they simply left them in the apartment with very little risk involved. You secure your kids be not going out or locking the apartment and taking every safety precaution not going to check then don’t even go into the room to check on them physically so I’m fed up of this simple narrative that the parents “only” left them in an apartment. Get your brains in gear that’s not leaving them unsupervised and nothing more.

    ‘Get your brains in gear’, are you ok? Was that remark really called for?

    You’ve been following this thread long enough to know I have never ever condoned or defended them for leaving the children alone, so your holier than thou little rant about the basic facts of the case is completely unnecessary.

    I’m fed up of people repeating ad nauseam that they shouldn’t have left the kids unsupervised and the fact that it gets in the way of any and pretty much all constructive discussion about the case, but here we are.
    Some people just love repeating themselves and they’ve been banging their drum for so long now they can’t bear to lose face.

    You took my post out of context as an opportunity to give me a lecture (yet again) on how leaving the kids was irresponsible, when I never said it wasn’t.
    The point I was making was that the person who took Madeleine is the one responsible for her disappearance, not her parents.
    From the second Madeleine was taken from her bed, everything that happened from that point onwards is on her abductor.
    Someone said that Kate & Gerry bear the responsibility for what happened to Madeleine and I completely disagree with that, because that takes responsibility away from the criminal who kidnapped her.
    That’s the point I was making and I completely stand by it.


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