Where would you go next...

bazz26 · 17-06-2020 11:00PM

Facelifted M5 Competition:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_9gGvkzNVM

Wailin · 18-06-2020 09:58AM

carsfan2 wrote: »

B58 engined cars are rare in the the Republic.
You may have to look to U.K. market for what you want.

Would a hot hatch hold any attraction for you?

If I sold mine privately then yes, I'd import from the UK. That's the plan anyway.

A hot hatch wouldn't really suit me, just too small plus I'd prefer an M140i over a golf gti/r any day.

td2008 · 18-06-2020 10:18AM

conor-w wrote: »

Torn between sensibility and just leaning into stupidity. A 997 911 S is the leader at the moment, but fairly wary of committing to that tax rate, and the numerous expensive issues they can have. I'm also considering an older M3 or RS4(high tax but cheaper to buy than the Porsche, so not too bad), or being semi-sensible and getting an M2/M4 with warranty and acceptable tax. Just has to be a manual and a bit special really, can't decide at all! Flip flopping every day.

Still fancy a 997 at some point, had looked at a few before getting my current car (E92). Impossible to get a manual here at the time and didn't fancy the VRT lottery :mad:

Wailin · 18-06-2020 10:29AM

^^^ E92 M3?

Mickiemcfist · 18-06-2020 10:33AM

conor-w wrote: »

Torn between sensibility and just leaning into stupidity. A 997 911 S is the leader at the moment, but fairly wary of committing to that tax rate, and the numerous expensive issues they can have. I'm also considering an older M3 or RS4(high tax but cheaper to buy than the Porsche, so not too bad), or being semi-sensible and getting an M2/M4 with warranty and acceptable tax. Just has to be a manual and a bit special really, can't decide at all! Flip flopping every day.

Would a 997 really be more expensive to run than an M4? I'd have thought they'd be relatively comparable. (Having owned neither, but daydreamed plenty!)

Cyrus · 18-06-2020 10:52AM

Mickiemcfist wrote: »

Would a 997 really be more expensive to run than an M4? I'd have thought they'd be relatively comparable. (Having owned neither, but daydreamed plenty!)

generally yes, there are some big ticket item that if they go wrong will cost mega bucks and given the scarcity of them here getting one with a proper warranty is a lot harder than an M

td2008 · 18-06-2020 11:07AM

Wailin wrote: »

^^^ E92 M3?

Yep. I was actually planning to change it this year at some stage, have it about 4 years now so getting the itch

M4 would be the obvious choice, I've still yet to drive one though

chalky_ie · 18-06-2020 02:24PM

Mickiemcfist wrote: »

Would a 997 really be more expensive to run than an M4? I'd have thought they'd be relatively comparable. (Having owned neither, but daydreamed plenty!)

As mentioned, it would probably be even enough day to day, but there is a pretty big issue with cylinder scoring in 997s, and you're looking at >10k to get it sorted. It has happened to a lot of cars, and seems to be considered almost an eventuality by experts due to the construction of the engine, so it's quite a big risk to buy one.

I'd be willing to take it if they were E92 M3 prices, but paying 40k+ for a 14 year old car, and then having a possible 10-15k bill loom over your head is a bit crazy.

td2008 wrote: »

Still fancy a 997 at some point, had looked at a few before getting my current car (E92). Impossible to get a manual here at the time and didn't fancy the VRT lottery :mad:

Yeah I'd love one, I'm even willing to import one, but the various issues make it pretty risky. There was one with a full Hartech engine rebuild on PistonHeads recently that I enquired about, but it was already gone. They are what you would want to be buying, but are incredibly rare, unsurprisingly.

Mickiemcfist · 18-06-2020 03:34PM

conor-w wrote: »

As mentioned, it would probably be even enough day to day, but there is a pretty big issue with cylinder scoring in 997s, and you're looking at >10k to get it sorted. It has happened to a lot of cars, and seems to be considered almost an eventuality by experts due to the construction of the engine, so it's quite a big risk to buy one.

I'd be willing to take it if they were E92 M3 prices, but paying 40k+ for a 14 year old car, and then having a possible 10-15k bill loom over your head is a bit crazy.

Yea that's mad, I thought it was only certain models of 997 & I thought it was rare for those. At those numbers it does seem a bit of a high price to pay.

1jcdub · 19-06-2020 06:06PM

carsfan2 wrote: »

Seanaciousd, where in Ireland can you get this remap done?
Does it cost much and what way if any does it affect economy?

You are making the 530/330e more attractive with this news.

I've got my 330e remapped. 390bhp and 480 ft/lb torque. Its quick to say the least. The car was flashed through my mobile using the MG flasher app.

carsfan2 · 19-06-2020 10:23PM

That seems like massive gains.
Standard is what 250 bhp and 310lb/ft of torque?
How much was that to do?
Is economy good?

1jcdub · 19-06-2020 10:54PM

carsfan2 wrote: »

That seems like massive gains.
Standard is what 250 bhp and 310lb/ft of torque?
How much was that to do?
Is economy good?

The software licence is 250 euro and the map is 100 euro. All you need then it's a iPhone or Android, enet cable and a adaptor to connect the phone to the enet cable. The app is very easy to use. With average driving the economy is the same. It's a little less economical when using the throttle.

bazz26 · 19-06-2020 10:58PM

You sure that's not 290bhp rather than 390bhp? 150bhp increase from a €350 software update seems very hard to believe. Did you have the car dyno'd after the update?

Cyrus · 19-06-2020 11:05PM

bazz26 wrote: »

You sure that's not 290bhp rather than 390bhp? 150bhp increase from a €350 software update seems very hard to believe. Did you have the car dyno'd after the update?

Indeed especially as of the original 250bhp 180 or so was engine so that needs to goto 320?

1jcdub · 19-06-2020 11:13PM

bazz26 wrote: »

You sure that's not 290bhp rather than 390bhp? 150bhp increase from a €350 software update seems very hard to believe. Did you have the car dyno'd after the update?

100% 390 bhp. And it feels it. The car is running 16psi boost at that. Which isn't excessive. 19 to 20psi is the average for stage 2. To run stage 2 I need to change the downpipe with a high flow downpipe that carried a high flow catalytic (200cel) converter. That will release another 30 to 40bhp and another 50 ft/lb the tuning market is a lot more competitive now. So prices are not as expensive. The forum reviews of their maps are all very positive. They even post independent dyno reports from their customers
https://www.mgflasher.com/engineb48/

vintagevrs · 19-06-2020 11:47PM

How do you know it's 390bhp?

If it is, that's a serious amount of power for a relatively inexpensive to own/tax/insure car.

No doubt it's very quick, just curious how do you know what the output is after the remap?

Cheers

1jcdub · 19-06-2020 11:57PM

vintagevrs wrote: »

How do you know it's 390bhp?

If it is, that's a serious amount of power for a relatively inexpensive to own/tax/insure car.

No doubt it's very quick, just curious how do you know what the output is after the remap?

Cheers

I send the tuner a couple of logs from the car. I paid extra for the logger part of the app. He can analyse the logs and run simulations based on my results. He can also fine tune timings for ignition, fuel. Boost pressure. Lamba, internal torque, air mass, throttle position, fuel rail pressure and many more parameters.
Due to the covid situation, I haven't been able to go and get the car on a dyno. I will get it tested over the next few weeks. I'm also hoping to also get my gearbox mapped for quicker shifts and to raise the internal torque limits. All while keeping within safe limits. This will be done on a dyno

Idbatterim · 20-06-2020 12:13AM

1jcdub wrote: »

I send the tuner a couple of logs from the car. I paid extra for the logger part of the app. He can analyse the logs and run simulations based on my results. He can also fine tune timings for ignition, fuel. Boost pressure. Lamba, internal torque, air mass, throttle position, fuel rail pressure and many more parameters.
Due to the covid situation, I haven't been able to go and get the car on a dyno. I will get it tested over the next few weeks. I'm also hoping to also get my gearbox mapped for quicker shifts and to raise the internal torque limits. All while keeping within safe limits. This will be done on a dyno

Please post results of the dyno! if that car can be remapped to 390 bhp for the farcically low running costs it has, LOL!

1jcdub · 20-06-2020 12:15AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

Please post results of the dyno! if that car can be remapped to e90 bhp for the farcically low running costs it has, LOL!

Of course I'll post the dyno results. Looking forward to seeing the exact figures myself!

Idbatterim · 20-06-2020 12:22AM

1jcdub wrote: »

Of course I'll post the dyno results. Looking forward to seeing the exact figures myself!

cant wait to see it! a motor tax system here based on begrudement! the likes of this totally pulls the rug from under their feet, virtually free motor tax and relatively outrageous power and insurance wont exactly have it as a high premium car! Was looking at cars online earlier , they will never ever get that kind of mad money in tax from me again, 1809 etc :rolleyes: unless I win the lotto and get an exotic!

maddness · 20-06-2020 08:11AM

I’m not going to ask does the car really have 390bhp or not, I want to know what it’s like now?
How fast is it, what does it sound like and how does it compare to other cars you have driven?

bigroad · 20-06-2020 08:31AM

390bhp for that road tax is excellent.
Just to put that power in perspective ,that's e39 m5 power.

GustavoFring · 20-06-2020 08:34AM

I'd say half of the motors forum is now on autotrader eyeing up 3/530es

carsfan2 · 20-06-2020 10:36AM

You’re the second poster on here with a remapped 330e quoting huge performance gains.
Certainly seems like a great bang for buck.
I never found my 330e slow so yours must pull like a train. I assume that the engine alone is affected and the electric component is unchanged.
BMW get over 300bhp alone out of the m135i Which has that engine without the electric so gains Seem achievable alright.
I won’t ask about insurance or warranty...

1jcdub · 20-06-2020 11:59AM

carsfan2 wrote: »

You’re the second poster on here with a remapped 330e quoting huge performance gains.
Certainly seems like a great bang for buck.
I never found my 330e slow so yours must pull like a train. I assume that the engine alone is affected and the electric component is unchanged.
BMW get over 300bhp alone out of the m135i Which has that engine without the electric so gains Seem achievable alright.
I won’t ask about insurance or warranty...

The car has recently come out of warranty and had a service with BMW and diagnostic. No map was detected as promised by the tuner. It doesn't leave a count on the ECU either.
Here's a link to a very short video 0 to 60 . It's on a private road. The road surface is ok, bit not ideal being a private road. Hence the wheel spin

https://youtu.be/Tp__vGWSmWQ

1jcdub · 20-06-2020 12:31PM

maddness wrote: »

I’m not going to ask does the car really have 390bhp or not, I want to know what it’s like now?
How fast is it, what does it sound like and how does it compare to other cars you have driven?

The car performance is night and day to be honest. From a standing start I struggle to gain traction in the dry. On a motorway is overtaking capability is just next level. The power combined with the instant torque of the motor is serious. There wouldn't be many cars on the road that could overtake the way this car can.
I've had remapped 2 gti's a remapped Skoda Octavia rs and none of the car come close to this. The B48 engine is a nice sounding engine to begin with, but is sounds a little stronger with the map (in a good way) the 330e is the quickest car I've owned to date. And economical too. As I live close enough to work. So most of my commutes to work are on batteries.

bazz26 · 20-06-2020 01:02PM

Those are seriously impressive figures from a map. What way does it work, do they send you the map via usb drive? My main concern here would be how would you undo it if the map bricked the ECU while being installed.

carsfan2 · 20-06-2020 01:53PM

A used high spec 530e becomes a lot more attractive alright if the remap is viable.
Makes a 3/4/540i redundant unless you must have six cylinders.

1jcdub · 20-06-2020 02:11PM

bazz26 wrote: »

Those are seriously impressive figures from a map. What way does it work, do they send you the map via usb drive? My main concern here would be how would you undo it if the map bricked the ECU while being installed.

They do recommend when flashing that you have the car battery connected to a charger also ensure that the drivers seatbelt is clicked in to stop the ECU going to sleep. Also ensure that the connections to the diagnostic port and mobile is well in place.
When you connect your mobile to the car via the app for the first time it will read your stock file and send it to the tuner and they retain a copy of it also a copy of the stock map is retained on your mobile. You can flash back to stock at any time.
The first time you flash, the ECU needs to be unlocked too. The flash and unlocking process takes around 6 to 8 minutes. After that a to flash a map takes 2 minutes

maddness · 20-06-2020 02:21PM

1jcdub wrote: »

They do recommend when flashing that you have the car battery connected to a charger also ensure that the drivers seatbelt is clicked in to stop the ECU going to sleep. Also ensure that the connections to the diagnostic port and mobile is well in place.
When you connect your mobile to the car via the app for the first time it will read your stock file and send it to the tuner and they retain a copy of it also a copy of the stock map is retained on your mobile. You can flash back to stock at any time.
The first time you flash, the ECU needs to be unlocked too. The flash and unlocking process takes around 6 to 8 minutes. After that a to flash a map takes 2 minutes

I’ve seen similar for a Bootmap 3 for a B58 engine. Very tempting alright.

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