Cycling on paths and other cycling issues (updated title)

I'd bet that if the wheels of the motorbike were hi-vis, along with the body of the bike and the body on the bike, the poor driver would have had a better chance to see the biker.

https://twitter.com/Trafficwmp/status/1273889220055228416?s=09

Shelga wrote: »

What has this got to do with cyclists? I also see about 3 unleashed dogs on my cycle, should I be up in arms about that?

Sorry, we warned you about the "Drivers KILL PEOPLE!", we forgot to warn you about the whataboutery...

TaurenDruid wrote: »

That's shocking. Only 5,000 fines in four years? That's less than four fines a day!

Sure, you'd often get four cyclists breaking the red on one single light sequence!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbttAigUIjI

The lack of enforcement quite possibly leads to an attitude of "Ah, sure, it's grand. I'll get away with it anyway." Quite possibly, too, they retain that attitude when they park their bike in the shed and get into their cars...

Same "Ah, sure, it's grand. I'll get away with it anyway" attitude from motorists

TaurenDruid wrote: »

That's shocking. Only 5,000 fines in four years? That's less than four fines a day!

Sure, you'd often get four cyclists breaking the red on one single light sequence!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbttAigUIjI

The lack of enforcement quite possibly leads to an attitude of "Ah, sure, it's grand. I'll get away with it anyway." Quite possibly, too, they retain that attitude when they park their bike in the shed and get into their cars...

I'm not sure why you'd find it shocking at all. You've heard once or twice on this thread about the 98% of motorists that break urban speed limits. You've heard about how the majority of drivers use their phones at the wheel.

Here's IBikeDublin finding more cars in Dublin parked on bike lanes in a week than the Gardai ticketed in the whole country in a year.
https://twitter.com/IBIKEDublin/status/943060706613694464

It should have been fairly clear to anyone that we have a significant issue with enforcement of traffic laws here for all road users.

So I'll ask you the same question that asked Shelga - how much Garda resources to want to divert away from dealing with the death toll on the road at the hands of motorists to go chasing cyclists?

Shelga wrote: »

What has this got to do with cyclists? I also see about 3 unleashed dogs on my cycle, should I be up in arms about that?

Oh, and btw, unleashed dogs are not against the law. Dogs must be under effective control, which does not necessarily mean leashed. Some Council bye-laws require dogs to be leashed at particular locations - certain parks and beaches.

SeanW wrote: »

True, but in this case the only injury was to a vulnerable old persons dignity, pride and sense of self-respect. That's what I took from the story anyway.

Looks like another case of what you taking want to take or choose to take.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/lucky-escape-for-elderly-couple-after-their-car-reverses-20ft-down-rocks-at-salthill-promenade-1005852.html

The couple was taken by ambulance to University Hospital Galway. It is understood that their injuries are not life-threatening.

Sgt Vincent Jennings of Salthill Garda Station said that it was a “miracle” that there were no fatalities or injuries.

So a bit more than a jolly old jape to tell the folks at the bridge club.

SeanW wrote: »

Because as a human being, I am capable of empathy. The article said the car belonged to an elderly couple but didn't say which one caused the accident. Whichever one it was, there's a good chance they're not going to drive anymore (and to be fair, perhaps they should stop driving). Thing is, when old people start to lose their ability to do things for themselves - especially to get around - they usually start to go downhill much, much, faster after that.

So to me, the correct takeaway from this article was to read it as a small-scale human tragedy. But as Little Andy showed us, you can also take glee in their misfortune because you can use it to score cheap points pushing your own small, hateful, pathetic little crusade.

Then you can feel good about dumping on a vulnerable old person while you sit in judgement of them from your ivory bicycle seat while you and your ilk smugly sail through every red light and down every footpath in our major cities. At least I get the sense that this is what Andrew and his circlejerk are doing.

Oh yeah, we've seen all your empathy oozing out on the thread. It's a bit selective though that empathy. Cyclists are 'lawbreaking scum' (empathy? ) while speeding motorists are the best in the world.

There's that old 'accident/tragedy' language again, designed to absolve anyone of responsibility and avoid any possibility of learning from the experience.

These 'tragic accidents' are going to keep happening right until we actually start holding motorists accountable for the mayhem they cause.

Any examples of those 'mostly unavoidable' road deaths yet?

magicbastarder wrote: »

thankfully, this is incredibly rare; there is no inquest verdict i'm aware of from the second case above which would throw light on what happened, but the only case i'm aware of where the cyclist was found responsible dates from either 2002 or 2003.

Reality is we don't really know how many accidents happen due to pedestrians walking out in front of cyclists, motor vehicles and cyclists taking risks or carelessness.

John_Rambo wrote: »

Very inadvisable for a pedestrian to stand in any moving vehicle even if it's braking a light. The chances of getting hurt would be high.

This is telling... According to Transdev, the LUAS operators... Drivers account for more than half of all crashes and emergency braking incidents!!!, pedestrians more than one third and cyclists less than 10%.

So, sorry motorists and pedestrians (me incuded :mad: ), the cyclists have the edge on us, they're the safest and most aware road users in the city. Stats don't lie.

Nah a good shove with my shoulder will do! I’ll be ok... cyclist breaking the red light goes flying!

John_Rambo wrote: »

Internet tough guy! Doesn't work that way in real life. Cyclist will spot what you're at immediately and avoid or brake.

It worked the last time!

John_Rambo wrote: »

But you said if this happened to you you'd stand your ground, meaning it's never happened. Now you're spoofing that it actually did happen to you and you shouldered a cyclist off her or his bike. :pac::pac:

Doh! Damn! Their goes my macho image!

spookwoman wrote: »

Reality is we don't really know how many accidents happen due to pedestrians walking out in front of cyclists, motor vehicles and cyclists taking risks or carelessness.

The reality is we know exactly how many people are killed or seriously injured on the road, because the RSA tracks this in a very detailed way using data from a number of sources, including Gardai, emergency services and hospitals.

The data is absolutely clear as to the real source of danger on the roads.

SeanW wrote: »

Unfortunately, that's not really an option IRL. On more than one occasion, I've had to jump out of the way of two-wheeled lawbreaking scum in circumstances similar to what is seen in that video.
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Next time, do as Rambo says... don’t jump out of the way as cyclists are more agile.

And stop calling people scum... be nice.

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Here's IBikeDublin finding more cars in Dublin parked on bike lanes in a week than the Gardai ticketed in the whole country in a year.

Dammit - I nearly had this one off by heart earlier... how did it go again?

"Ah, sure at the end of the day, nobody was killed or injured, so they harmed nobody but themselves. it's all good."

That's what earns your "Thanks" clicks, isn't it?

I think the return of traffic is getting to some motorists.

Seanw, you're getting very excited, you need to find love on two wheels. It's really quiet simple, it's kinda like gonna find my baby, gonna hold her tight, gonna grab some afternoon delight.