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Madeleine McCann

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  • #1982
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    ittakestwo wrote: »
    If it was planned it could have been only planned that week. How was any kidnapper to know that there would be a couple staying there that week and leaving their kids alone at night.

    Who ever did this did have luck. Even for the people who think the McCann's did it. They would have needed a lot of luck to get away with it. I would guess it was a planned robbery. Either before hand or during the robbery they became aware that there was children alone and took the opportunity.

    If CB was in the area of Praia de Luz in the days Madeleine was kidnapped then that is obviously very significant.... A known pedophile who robs apartments for a living happens to be in the same small village as Madeleine at the time a she goes missing from her apartment. I know who my money would be on.


    Not saying you're wrong. But what could a seasoned thief like this fella expect to find in the apartment. Hardly a life changing amount of money. Assume the McCanns had their credit cards with them. Expensive jewelry . Very few if any .

    If it was CB i have no doubts it was with the sole intention of taken that poor girl . I also think there had to have been more than one involved . Whether that be in taking her, being a look out, tipping someone off etc


  • #1983
    happyoutscan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,640 ✭✭✭happyoutscan


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Where was the camper Van parked up ? I'm not discounting it completely . It just this man can take a child at peak time from her own apartment . Walk out with her . Put her into his camper van . Assume it must of been outside the complex. And never be seen by anyone

    Praia da Luz is extremely quiet. Thia happened in May, would have been dead, very few tourists around. Locals (Portugese and ex-pats) are in bed early and rise early. You could walk around the whole village at that hour and meet no one (excepty in July/August).

    That no one witnessed this is extremely plausible, if you've been there. I can understand it being hard to believe though. I think a lot of people assume that because its the Algarve it should be absolutely hopping, but it isn't. Luz is boring as hell (love it all the same).


  • #1984
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Ok, I'll bite just this once..



    Now, maybe I'm weird like this, but I don't feel comfortable accusing grieving parents of having killed or disposed of their daughter without any proof. It doesn't sit right with me. People should be considered innocent until proven guilty, wouldn't you agree? You see that as being 'pro' McCann, I see that as a basic tenet of the law.
    I also happen to believe there's no way they could have done it, not within the timeline anyway. I have yet to hear a coherent argument to convince me otherwise.
    By the by, it's not just 'anti' McCanns who make valid points, as if the other side don't have any. You say this while going on to say 'pro' McCanns make vicious replies, whilst ignoring completely the vicious smearing of a group of people from anonymous internet warriors on the other side. But you're biased, I get it. 'Anti' McCann good, 'Pro' McCann bad.

    Now, tell me, what you mean by 'litigious'? That's an interesting word. Do you mean a mod has to intervene to avoid this site from being sued by posters making unfounded clams about people, like calling them pedos and so forth? Because those posts come from one side only. Every time.




    If you've been on this site for so long, whatever account you're posting on now is just one of a few you must have held over that time. Have you been posting anti McCann stuff all that time, or do you just read these threads without contributing? Is there a post limit you'd like to impose on certain posters? Or just on posters whose view you do not agree with?

    On these threads, do you ever see the same 'anti' McCann posters over and over again or is it just this one poster you're picking out because you feel their defence of innocent people is particularly grating?

    If I didn't know better, I might presume you were part of a bizarre internet conspiracy network specifically set up to discredit the McCanns. See how that works? ;)

    How many people have you pulled up on this thread accusing Ze German of being guilty?? Or is it only people you feel are innocent that should be beyond suspicion??


  • #1985
    MonsterCookie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 959 ✭✭✭MonsterCookie


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    How many people have you pulled up on this thread accusing Ze German of being guilty?? Or is it only people you feel are innocent that should be beyond suspicion??

    Ah here; context is everything. There’s literally a sh1t load of detailed information emerging on the German pedo, including a prosecutor saying they think it’s him.


  • #1986
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    MonsterCookie wrote: »
    Ah here; context is everything. There’s literally a sh1t load of detailed information emerging on the German pedo, including a prosecutor saying they think it’s him.

    I gotcha, innocent until proven guilty unless you feel otherwise. Thanks for clarifying.


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  • #1987
    MonsterCookie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 959 ✭✭✭MonsterCookie


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    I gotcha, innocent until proven guilty unless you feel otherwise. Thanks for clarifying.

    clever (not).

    of course everyone is innocent until proven guilty. don't think anyone really thinks otherwise.

    surely at this stage you must admit there's more to suggest abduction rather than the parents being involved??


  • #1988
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    How many people have you pulled up on this thread accusing Ze German of being guilty?? Or is it only people you feel are innocent that should be beyond suspicion??

    Ze German? Have I accidentally wandered onto the set of 'Allo 'Allo? :pac:

    Now, this thread was started by someone posting about this new suspect. You know, the one who had USB sticks full of kiddie porn, the convicted rapist, the convicted paedophile, the one who was telling his mates he done it and changed his number plates the day after the incident. I didn't pick him out of thin air, the German police are the ones who named him.

    I never once said he was guilty, but I do find him somewhat more of a safer bet of maybe being the culprit than two parents without a rap sheet who were on a family holiday and would have to have been magicians in order to do what some people are accusing them of. But sure, that's just me using logic and common sense I guess!

    If you can come up with a coherent argument as to how/when/where/why the McCanns would have done the unthinkable, by all means, make your case!
    You can also jump in with your thoughts about this new suspect any time you like, though he doesn't seem to warrant much interest amongst certain posters for some reason. No idea why.


  • #1989
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Imagine if the McCanns had behaved like responsible parents 13 years ago......
    I don't understand how people attach no blame to the people who left Maddie vulnerable, very strange.


  • #1990
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Imagine if the McCanns had behaved like responsible parents 13 years ago......
    I don't understand how people attach no blame to the people who left Maddie vulnerable, very strange.

    The bang of deja vu off this post :rolleyes:


  • #1991
    MonsterCookie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 959 ✭✭✭MonsterCookie


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Imagine if the McCanns had behaved like responsible parents 13 years ago......
    I don't understand how people attach no blame to the people who left Maddie vulnerable, very strange.

    I think it's strange that some people can't seem to discuss the latest developments - safe in the knowledge that everyone accepts (McCanns included) that they fukked up and got severely punished for it.

    seriously - who is saying on this thread that what they did was ok?


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  • #1992
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    Hows that letter coming?

    Any sign?


  • #1993
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    limnam wrote: »
    Hows that letter coming?

    Any sign?

    Sure, have a quick google there and see are there any updates. You should be as up to speed as the rest of us then.


  • #1994
    Day Lewin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,874 ✭✭✭Day Lewin


    limnam wrote: »
    Hows that letter coming?

    Any sign?

    'Twern't us they were sending it to.


  • #1995
    limnam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭limnam


    MonsterCookie wrote: »
    I think it's strange that some people can't seem to discuss the latest developments - safe in the knowledge that everyone accepts (McCanns included) that they fukked up and got severely punished for it.

    seriously - who is saying on this thread that what they did was ok?

    What's to discuss?

    Drunken pedophile says something in pub

    Germans saying they sent letters that don't seem to have been sent

    If there was anything concrete to discuss it would be discussed.

    All we have now is a continuing circus.


  • #1996
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,185 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Imagine if the McCanns had behaved like responsible parents 13 years ago......
    I don't understand how people attach no blame to the people who left Maddie vulnerable, very strange.

    I could explain it to you, but you would just think me a terrible person who is unable to think clearly or is just is emotionally retarded for trying to involving logic.


  • #1997
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    dark crystal wrote: »
    The bang of deja vu off this post :rolleyes:

    Well when people are still posting as recently as today how blameless they are, it seems strange to me that the actions ( lack of) of the McCanns are dismissed so readily.
    You can of course scroll on by if the comment annoys you.


  • #1998
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    limnam wrote: »
    What's to discuss?

    Drunken pedophile says something in pub

    Germans saying they sent letters that don't seem to have been sent

    If there was anything concrete to discuss it would be discussed.

    All we have now is a continuing circus.

    Lots of developments being discussed throughout the thread, some people just seem to shrug them off as nothing, so whatchya gonna do? *shrugs*


  • #1999
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,852 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Haven't been following the thread or news on this the past few days...

    Are the McCanns saying that they did not receive anything from the Germans regarding Madeleine being dead, and the German suspect being guilty?


  • #2000
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    cnocbui wrote: »
    I could explain it to you, but you would just think me a terrible person who is unable to think clearly or is just is emotionally retarded for trying to involving logic.

    You can explain anything you wish, however I will have to take your word at face value. The evidence of the lack of responsibility from the McCanns is beyond doubt.


  • #2001
    MonsterCookie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 959 ✭✭✭MonsterCookie


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    You can explain anything you wish, however I will have to take your word at face value. The evidence of the lack of responsibility from the McCanns is beyond doubt.

    you haven't answered my question. Who is saying they are blameless?


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  • #2002
    buttercups88
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 764 ✭✭✭buttercups88


    walshb wrote: »
    Haven't been following the thread or news on this the past few days...

    Are the McCanns saying that they did not receive anything from the Germans regarding Madeleine being dead, and the German suspect being guilty?

    Todays DM is saying the letter was sent via Scotland yard but was never passed on to the mc canns.

    No idea why such sensitive information would be put in a letter and sent via another police force in the first place without being followed up on to ensure it had been passed on before telling the worlds media a letter was sent.


  • #2003
    MonsterCookie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 959 ✭✭✭MonsterCookie


    walshb wrote: »
    Haven't been following the thread or news on this the past few days...

    Are the McCanns saying that they did not receive anything from the Germans regarding Madeleine being dead, and the German suspect being guilty?

    last update from the McCanns was 16 June:

    "The widely reported news that we have a received a letter from the German authorities that states there is evidence or proof that Madeleine is dead is FALSE."

    http://findmadeleine.com/updates/index.html


  • #2004
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Well when people are still posting as recently as today how blameless they are, it seems strange to me that the actions ( lack of) of the McCanns are dismissed so readily.
    You can of course scroll on by if the comment annoys you.

    You are free to do the same thing if a poster offends your righteous sense of morality by showing a modicum of empathy for the McCanns.

    Maybe some posters don't feel the need to keep twisting the knife about something that happened 13 years ago and can't be changed. Very few posters, if any, have said leaving the children alone in the apartment was right. But you already know that, in fairness.


  • #2005
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    MonsterCookie wrote: »
    you haven't answered my question. Who is saying they are blameless?

    Read the thread from the start.


  • #2006
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,185 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    You can explain anything you wish, however I will have to take your word at face value. The evidence of the lack of responsibility from the McCanns is beyond doubt.

    Not to me it isn't, but then I tend to think rationally rather than emotionally, most of the time.


  • #2007
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Not to me it isn't, but then I tend to think rationally rather than emotionally, most of the time.

    That's great and i'm happy for you but at a loss as to why you think your feelings are relevant to the thread?


  • #2008
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,185 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    That's great and i'm happy for you but at a loss as to why you think your feelings are relevant to the thread?

    Mucha irony, compadre.


  • #2009
    TheW1zard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭TheW1zard


    It definitely was the German guy
    It definitely was the German guy
    It definitely was the German guy

    Comes to sweet FA in the next week or two

    It definitely wasn't the McCanns
    It definitely wasn't the McCanns
    It definitely wasn't the McCanns


  • #2010
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Mucha irony, compadre.

    No irony at all. It's simple logic that you don't leave young children alone while knocking back the wine with your mates 4 nights on the trot. I do accept equally bad stuff can happen to a child if the parents are home but the risk is greatly reduced.


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  • #2011
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Very few posters, if any, have said leaving the children alone in the apartment was right. But you already know that, in fairness.

    I won't be quoting anyone who is no longer allowed to reply on the thread in fairness.


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