No Galway bypass or M20 motorway in lifetime of next government.

mgn · 18-06-2020 4:20pm #1

https://dateway.net/greens-considering-railway-line-between-limerick-and-cork/

Greens are not even in Government yet and the have blocked these projects already.

What chance has rural Ireland got with these clowns in power.

An f*cking joke.

magicbastarder · 18-06-2020 4:36pm

is the galway bypass not widely regarded as a white elephant anyway?

mgn · 18-06-2020 4:46pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

is the galway bypass not widely regarded as a white elephant anyway?

Its not by the people travelling in and out of Galway everyday,

SeanW · 18-06-2020 4:52pm

Or, no doubt, the people who have to travel through Galway to get to the Western county.

newuser99999 · 18-06-2020 5:35pm

Just ridiculous. What do they want people to do? The train between Galway and Cork is abysmal.

Zebra3 · 18-06-2020 5:42pm

mgn wrote: »

https://dateway.net/greens-considering-railway-line-between-limerick-and-cork/

Greens are not even in Government yet and the have blocked these projects already.

What chance has rural Ireland got with these clowns in power.

An f*cking joke.

There are three parties forming the next government.

Don't forget to vent your bitterness at the two much larger parties as well.

18-06-2020 5:46pm

Don't let a little thing like truth get in the way of your ranting

What he states is (direct quote from the article you linked)

Construction on the M20 Cork to Limerick motorway and the Galway bypass will not start in the next five years, according to one of the Green Party government formation negotiators.

Ossian Smyth did not rule out large road projects getting the go-ahead under a Green government.

However, he has said those projects are unlikely to see shovels in the ground during the lifetime of the next government.

He said: “It’s an iconic road project in the area, and if we said we are going to cancel your road, I think that we wouldn’t be able to bring anyone with us.

“Again, like the Galway bypass, that is not likely to happen by any government in the course of the next five years. It is at a very early stage, it is something that would happen at the end of the decade.

mgn · 18-06-2020 5:53pm

Zebra3 wrote: »

There are three parties forming the next government.

Don't forget to vent your bitterness at the two much larger parties as well.

I have no problem criticising FF or FG either for bending over backwards to these bumbling fools of the Green party just so the can stay in power.

Did you here Ryan the other saying the Green Party would be good for rural Ireland.
Explain to me how the likes of this good for rural Ireland.

mgn · 18-06-2020 5:58pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Don't let a little thing like truth get in the way of your ranting

What he states is (direct quote from the article you linked)

And if you bothered to read the title of the thread that is what i wrote.

So open your eyes before you start your smart comments.

roadmaster · 18-06-2020 6:02pm

Both of those projects between design, cpos and tenders are at least 5 years away anyway

Gregor Samsa · 18-06-2020 6:07pm

mgn wrote: »

https://dateway.net/greens-considering-railway-line-between-limerick-and-cork/

Greens are not even in Government yet and the have blocked these projects already.

What chance has rural Ireland got with these clowns in power.

An f*cking joke.

The Greens didn’t block them. The quote in the article you linked just says that they wouldn’t be ready to start in the next 5 years no matter who was in government.

mgn · 18-06-2020 6:11pm

roadmaster wrote: »

Both of those projects between design, cpos and tenders are at least 5 years away anyway

And when there is no pressure on them to get it to that stage, it could take 10 years to get it shovel ready.

Pete2k · 18-06-2020 6:18pm

A proper direct rail service between Cork and Limerick would require the charleville-patrickswell junction line to be rebuilt. Alot of the alignment still looks to be fairly intact including all the bridges so might not cost as much to rebuild as otherwise would.Near patrickswell the N20 and a regional road look to have been built on the alignment however it could be run along side both.

18-06-2020 6:25pm

mgn wrote: »

And if you bothered to read the title of the thread that is what i wrote.

So open your eyes before you start your smart comments.

I'll just leave this here

mgn wrote: »

https://dateway.net/greens-considering-railway-line-between-limerick-and-cork/

Greens are not even in Government yet and the have blocked these projects already.

What chance has rural Ireland got with these clowns in power.

An f*cking joke.

Peregrine · 18-06-2020 6:29pm

mgn wrote: »

Its not by the people travelling in and out of Galway everyday,

Who travels into a city using a bypass? By definition, they don't need a bypass. Even if they use a section of the bypass, they still have to travel, you know, into the city. Where the real problem will continue to exist.

SeanW wrote: »

Or, no doubt, the people who have to travel through Galway to get to the Western county.

The 3% of traffic, you mean? €600m is a lot of money to spend on the 3% of traffic that actually bypass the city.

What problem is the Galway bypass solving? Because it's looking increasingly like an expensive case of a group of people deciding that another road will somehow fix this and not wanting to deal with the cause of the issue.

From the traffic modelling report for the Galway bypass.

SeanW · 18-06-2020 6:49pm

There's more to life than commuting.

magicbastarder · 18-06-2020 6:53pm

mgn wrote: »

Its not by the people travelling in and out of Galway everyday,

From my understanding, it's an example of the sort of thinking that goes along the lines of 'we've already turned Galway into a car park with our private car oriented policies, so the solution to our problem is even more private car oriented policies'.

Cookiemunster · 18-06-2020 7:08pm

Pete2k wrote: »

A proper direct rail service between Cork and Limerick would require the charleville-patrickswell junction line to be rebuilt. Alot of the alignment still looks to be fairly intact including all the bridges so might not cost as much to rebuild as otherwise would.Near patrickswell the N20 and a regional road look to have been built on the alignment however it could be run along side both.

There is no need to do any of this. Just improve Limerick Junction to allow better running of direct Limerick - Cork trains. Luckily this is being studied as part of the M20 project.

Peregrine · 18-06-2020 7:12pm

SeanW wrote: »

There's more to life than commuting.

Sure. But we are talking about traffic. If this €600m second bypass isn't being built for peak traffic then what is it built for? For when there's little traffic?

SeanW · 18-06-2020 7:24pm

To help people and goods get to all points West of the Corrib without having to clog up the city streets, like the Headford Road.

The situation in Galway is different to that of Dublin in that Dublin had a proper bypass in the form of the M50 (should have had grade separated junctions from day 1 but that's a minor gripe) so the problems in Dublin post-M50 were totally unconnected with through traffic. Had a proper bypass been done in Galway back in the day, instead of the hodge-podge of street-road hybrids, then the case to spend more money on roads there would be much, much weaker.

I'm not saying the Galway bypass needs to be priority number 1 - obviously it ranks below things like the M20 - but the case is not nonexistent either.

ncounties · 18-06-2020 7:53pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

There is no need to do any of this. Just improve Limerick Junction to allow better running of direct Limerick - Cork trains. Luckily this is being studied as part of the M20 project.

But by reinstating just 30km of railway line, you reduce the journey length by almost a third. For rail travel to be competitive, it needs to be quick, and zig-zagging about certainly doesn't make it that.

Cookiemunster · 18-06-2020 9:35pm

ncounties wrote: »

But by reinstating just 30km of railway line, you reduce the journey length by almost a third. For rail travel to be competitive, it needs to be quick, and zig-zagging about certainly doesn't make it that.

Reinstating a single track 18th century line isn't the answer either, if the WRC is anything to go by. And the last mile or so of line into directly into Colbert Station was ripped out 40 or 50 years ago. It would need to be a completely new alignment IMO. Easier, quicker and cheaper to sort out Limerick Junction.

18-06-2020 9:36pm

Zebra3 wrote: »

There are three parties forming the next government.

Don't forget to vent your bitterness at the two much larger parties as well.

Surely has to be because of the greens though. That’s a big early hit for those parasites.

magicbastarder · 18-06-2020 9:46pm

them greens are fierce powerful. they're barely 15% of the (purported) new government and already they're able to push FF and FG around.
it's almost as if FF and FG don't care about these projects either, but are happy to use the greens as a scapegoat. but that's crazy talk.

newuser99999 · 18-06-2020 10:55pm

ncounties wrote: »

But by reinstating just 30km of railway line, you reduce the journey length by almost a third. For rail travel to be competitive, it needs to be quick, and zig-zagging about certainly doesn't make it that.

Start by having a look at the schedules first? I took a train from Limerick city to Cork last Friday and had to wait over an hour for a connection from Limerick junction to Cork. Doesn’t make sense to me.

ncounties · 18-06-2020 11:13pm

Is this thread about infrastructure or slagging off one or more political parties?

SeanW · 18-06-2020 11:38pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

them greens are fierce powerful. they're barely 15% of the (purported) new government and already they're able to push FF and FG around.
it's almost as if FF and FG don't care about these projects either, but are happy to use the greens as a scapegoat. but that's crazy talk.

And yet only one of those three parties has stated explicit objecting to the M20.

And that party is now in the position of "kingmaker" which allows them influence and power far beyond their absolute vote/seat count.

RandomViewer · 18-06-2020 11:42pm

mgn wrote: »

I have no problem criticising FF or FG either for bending over backwards to these bumbling fools of the Green party just so the can stay in power.

Did you here Ryan the other saying the Green Party would be good for rural Ireland.
Explain to me how the likes of this good for rural Ireland.

Lot of the Green party would identify as Anglo Irish, whey would like to bring back the days of the landed gentry and the poor peasants in novels,

SeanW · 18-06-2020 11:43pm

Wouldn't surprise me given how many of them are trust fund babies.

jaxxx · 18-06-2020 11:47pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

them greens are fierce powerful. they're barely 15% of the (purported) new government and already they're able to push FF and FG around.
it's almost as if FF and FG don't care about these projects either, but are happy to use the greens as a scapegoat. but that's crazy talk.

We don't live in the Republic of Dublin for the fun of it. The rest of us 25 'counties' are just there to feed Dublin. Our needs don't matter. Nothing against Dublin or Dublin people, just the government's historical attitude.

Truthvader · 18-06-2020 11:52pm

newuser99999 wrote: »

Start by having a look at the schedules first? I took a train from Limerick city to Cork last Friday and had to wait over an hour for a connection from Limerick junction to Cork. Doesn’t make sense to me.

Trains??? Dont be ridiculous! They want you to cycle.

And wait until you see your heating bill next Winter

Green Party = Tax Party

RandomViewer · 19-06-2020 12:00am

Truthvader wrote: »

Trains??? Dont be ridiculous! They want you to cycle.

And wait until you see your heating bill next Winter

Green Party = Tax Party

There won't be a pallet safe anywhere, trees will be cut overnight, happened in 09 will happen again.

19-06-2020 1:41am

Aside from the new accounts swarming to misrepresent a clear cut statement and sh1te all over the greens, this thread is pointless for this forum.

AH or politics please

bk · 19-06-2020 10:49am

Given that Micheal Martin will be Taoiseach and he is from Cork, there is simply NO WAY that the M20 doesn't get built.

He would be hung, drawn and quartered by the people of Cork and the Greens would never get a vote down there ever again.

Remember they have all agreed to a 2 to 1 spend between public transport to roads for capital projects. The cost of Metrolink, DART Expansion, Bus Connects, new Luas lines will easily top 10 billion, so a 1 billion M20 will easily come within that 2 to 1 spend.

Cookiemunster · 19-06-2020 11:06am

bk wrote: »

Given that Micheal Martin will be Taoiseach and he is from Cork, there is simply NO WAY that the M20 doesn't get built.

He would be hung, drawn and quartered by the people of Cork and the Greens would never get a vote down there ever again.

Remember they have all agreed to a 2 to 1 spend between public transport to roads for capital projects. The cost of Metrolink, DART Expansion, Bus Connects, new Luas lines will easily top 10 billion, so a 1 billion M20 will easily come within that 2 to 1 spend.

None of Metrolink, Bus Connects outside Dublin, new LUAS lines or the M20 will be under construction withing the lifetime of the government anyway (gotta love our snails pace planning system) and definitely not in the 2 1/2 years Martin will be Taoiseach, so it's pretty much pointless arguing about who are stopping what. As long as the planning of any of these projects doesn't get further delayed I'll be happy enough.

cgcsb · 19-06-2020 12:06pm

Galway Ring Road is dead as a doornail, was a daft idea anyway. I would like to see the M20 go ahead because it has a valid strategic function as an inter city road offers improved safety and takes HGVs out of areas they aren't wanted.

If M20 was suspended BUT we got bus connects in all cities, DART expansion and Metrolink in Dublin, proper electric commuter rail in Cork and a construction start on Cork Luas + lots and lots of cycling stuff around the country this decade, I would be very happy with that trade off. However odds are they'll just talk about the above projects for the next decade, maybe write some reports or something.

cgcsb · 19-06-2020 12:06pm

mgn wrote: »

Its not by the people travelling in and out of Galway everyday,

I thought it was meant to be a bypass??

cgcsb · 19-06-2020 12:14pm

ncounties wrote: »

But by reinstating just 30km of railway line, you reduce the journey length by almost a third. For rail travel to be competitive, it needs to be quick, and zig-zagging about certainly doesn't make it that.

If Dublin-Cork was upgraded to high speed(intermediate speed really, let's say 200km/h running) Cork-Limerick by rail would be time competitive with road as a byproduct.

cgcsb · 19-06-2020 12:19pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

them greens are fierce powerful. they're barely 15% of the (purported) new government and already they're able to push FF and FG around.
it's almost as if FF and FG don't care about these projects either, but are happy to use the greens as a scapegoat. but that's crazy talk.

In the case of the M20, you'd have a point. For the Galway bypass not so much. It doesn't have a real business case. The consultants that worked on it don't even agree with it, they should know because they've had the sleepless nights trying to manipulate the figures into something stacks up to scrutiny. The business case seems to revolve around the proposed road freeing up space in the centre that will allow improvements to public transport. The possibility of improving public transport regardless of the lack of a 2nd bypass isn't considered.

cgcsb · 19-06-2020 12:22pm

jaxxx wrote: »

We don't live in the Republic of Dublin for the fun of it. The rest of us 25 'counties' are just there to feed Dublin. Our needs don't matter. Nothing against Dublin or Dublin people, just the government's historical attitude.

:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac: Dublin having the worst infrastructure of any EU capital and government policy being consistently rural centric for the past 100 years, I'd say you were just not paying close enough attention.

marno21 · 19-06-2020 12:26pm

cgcsb wrote: »

In the case of the M20, you'd have a point. For the Galway bypass not so much. It doesn't have a real business case. The consultants that worked on it don't even agree with it, they should know because they've had the sleepless nights trying to manipulate the figures into something stacks up to scrutiny. The business case seems to revolve around the proposed road freeing up space in the centre that will allow improvements to public transport. The possibility of improving public transport regardless of the lack of a 2nd bypass isn't considered.

Second bypass? Where is the first?

cgcsb · 19-06-2020 12:42pm

marno21 wrote: »

Second bypass? Where is the first?

*sigh, if you want to call it an 'inner relief road' ok, don't care, same function.

Kevtherev1 · 19-06-2020 1:01pm

Saint paschal donohoe interviewed on newstalk this morning by Pat Kenny. Topic how can we afford more infrastructure investment with limited finance.

Topic of M20 was discussed would it be cancelled. Donohoe clearly stated he would argue that it should go ahead.

There will be arguments for sure with greens but i suspect FG, FF will insist m20 goes ahead and the greens will eventually have to back down. Just like they did when trying to stop the wesport - castlebar road from proceeding.

Doctors room ghost · 19-06-2020 1:10pm

newuser99999 wrote: »

Just ridiculous. What do they want people to do? The train between Galway and Cork is abysmal.

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Thread closed for review.

SeanW · 19-06-2020 4:27pm

cgcsb wrote: »

*sigh, if you want to call it an 'inner relief road' ok, don't care, same function.

More like a haphazard melange of street-road hybrids (or Stroads) that try to serve long distance travelers while also functioning as streets. Like the N6 portion of the Headford Road. Galway never had a bypass, just some cheap and nasty upgrades in the 1980s.

No Galway bypass or M20 motorway in lifetime of next government.

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