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Madeleine McCann

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  • #1922
    thecomedian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭thecomedian


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Now that is significant if true

    It is true!


  • #1923
    cnocbui
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    Day Lewin wrote: »
    One of the few known facts is that new suspect Mr C-B- re-registered his car from a local to a German registration the next day.

    I can't quite see what the significance of this is. But it has been widely reported. And in conjunction with the date - the very next morning - well, it is more than suggestive: it almost has to be connected.

    The significance is that the number plate changes, so if you are looking for a car with number plate P ABC caught on CCTV it's now DE 1234. He can't change the address if they search their licensing system for the original plate, but that's only useful if it has the correct address, which for this guy it easily might not.


  • #1924
    Sweet.Science
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    dark crystal wrote: »
    But sure, the McCanns weren't seen taking her either, but plenty of people believe they did the unthinkable. And they didn't have transport to make a quick getaway either. Nope, they managed to do it all on foot without being seen by a soul.

    Thats true . However , they were the last to see her alive in their apartment . Her blood was found in the apartment . Nobody else as seen her being taken from the apartment . So they will also be the number 1 suspect until someone else is arrested/charged. Its always been the way for someone who disappears . Who was the last to see them .


  • #1925
    Banana Republic.
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    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Now that is significant if true

    Tie that in with the fact he told his ex he has a horrible job to do a few days before and low and behold a 4 year old goes missing and he registers his car the next day, it’s not then enough to make him a suspect but not enough to make him an absolute certainty but add the mystery men hanging round the apartments and then the bogus collectors. It all points to a paedo ring scoping the area out.


  • #1926
    Rock77
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    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Where was the camper Van parked up ? I'm not discounting it completely . It just this man can take a child at peak time from her own apartment . Walk out with her . Put her into his camper van . Assume it must of been outside the complex. And never be seen by anyone


    The post you replied to was excellent, do you have any reply to the timeline of events laid out in that post to support your suspicion of the parents because it sounds quite impossible they could have done it


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  • #1927
    MonsterCookie
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    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Now that is significant if true

    this has been reported a lot over the last week or so - have you any reason not to believe it?

    i wonder what's involved in changing the reg, and how could he do it the next day. would he have had the plates in advance?


  • #1928
    Banana Republic.
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    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Thats true . However , they were the last to see her alive in their apartment . Her blood was found in the apartment . Nobody else as seen her being taken from the apartment . So they will also be the number 1 suspect until someone else is arrested/charged. Its always been the way for someone who disappears . Who was the last to see them .

    Exactly, it didn’t make them innocence or guilty. It’s common fact in missing cases or murder that the ones closest are always suspects as they were the ones known to last see the victims alive. It makes logical sense so no need to debate this fact cause it’s standard.


  • #1929
    dark crystal
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    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Thats true . However , they were the last to see her alive in their apartment . Her blood was found in the apartment . Nobody else as seen her being taken from the apartment . So they will also be the number 1 suspect until someone else is arrested/charged. Its always been the way for someone who disappears . Who was the last to see them .

    Again, nope.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/aug/16/ukcrime.madeleinemccann


  • #1930
    Sweet.Science
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    Rock77 wrote: »
    The post you replied to was excellent, do you have any reply to the timeline of events laid out in that post to support your suspicion of the parents because it sounds quite impossible they could have done it

    Nope. No idea how they would manage that . I just think there is more to this than the McCanns statements and a predator taking her from the apartment .


  • #1931
    Sweet.Science
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    dark crystal wrote: »
    Again, nope.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/aug/16/ukcrime.madeleinemccann


    Still doesn't change the rest


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  • #1932
    Day Lewin
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    cnocbui wrote: »
    The significance is that the number plate changes, so if you are looking for a car with number plate P ABC caught on CCTV it's now DE 1234. He can't change the address if they search their licensing system for the original plate, but that's only useful if it has the correct address, which for this guy it easily might not.

    So if that car had been seen outside the apartments where a child went missing - and then someone reported it to the cops - they'd be looking for the wrong reg. number.

    Dammit, this does add up. To good grounds for suspicion at the very least.


  • #1933
    thecomedian
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    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Still doesn't change the rest

    What is the rest?
    I think it might help for you to have a read back on what happened, as you have posted a lot of false accusations.


  • #1934
    Rock77
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    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Nope. No idea how they would manage that . I just think there is more to this than the McCanns statements and a predator taking her from the apartment .

    Ah ok, it’s pretty impossible for the parents to be involved due to the timeline but I think it was them anyway. Gotcha.

    So you said the door was tampered with and they found Madeleines blood in the apt.. anything to say now about those claims?


  • #1935
    Sweet.Science
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    Rock77 wrote: »
    Ah ok, it’s pretty impossible for the parents to be involved due to the timeline but I think it was them anyway. Gotcha.

    So you said the door was tampered with and they found Madeleines blood in the apt.. anything to say now about those claims?


    Eh Gerry said the door was slightly open when they left . Then when he went back it was open degrees. So he closed it back to its original position and went back for some more wine

    30mins later Oldfield states he went to check and the door was again open 45 degrees


  • #1936
    Rock77
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    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Eh Gerry said the door was slightly open when they left . Then when he went back it was open degrees. So he closed it back to its original position and went back for some more wine

    30mins later Oldfield states he went to check and the door was again open 45 degrees

    So the door was tampered with?

    And the blood?


  • #1937
    thecomedian
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    dark crystal wrote: »
    You find it doubtful that an experienced burglar/predator managed to enter an unlocked apartment, gag/drug/put hand over mouth of a small child and leave the apartment unseen, yet people who blame the McCanns for the death of their child believe:

    - they drugged their kids sometime after 5.30 for a bit of peace or whatever.
    - They give Madeleine such a heavy dose of anti-histamine or whatever you're having that she dies within a very short time.
    - Kate finds her dead at some stage soon thereafter. Gerry has a tennis match at 6pm, so is out of the apartment for a full hour at that stage.
    - A plan to dispose of her body like rubbish (for reasons unknown) instead of calling an ambulance is concocted by 7.30pm.
    - She/they bring her body to a still unknown location in a country they are unfamiliar with, on foot, without being seen, no witnesses on their way to burial site or on the way back. Now remember Gerry was playing tennis from 6pm to 7pm, so this disposal had to be a rushed job, to say the least.
    - get back to the apartment, forensically clean and set-up the crime scene, get ready for dinner (sure you'd have a mighty appetite after all that)
    - leave their other drugged children behind (lightning couldn't strike twice and kill them too, right?) and put their game faces on.
    - eat dinner with their mates, acting normally the entire time, by 8.30
    - Gerry pretends to check on the kids at 9pm, shoots the breeze with Jez Wilkins by the stairs to the apartment.
    - Kate eventually raises the false alarm at 10pm, they call the police.
    - They keep the case in the public eye ever since, despite getting away with their genius crime. Probably with the help of their 'high up friends' in the press/government.

    But the abduction theory is unbelievable to folks? Ok.


    Sweet Science have a look at this post.


  • #1938
    Rock77
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    thecomedian wrote: »
    Sweet Science have a look at this post.

    Sweet science has already looked at this post and has no idea how it could be possible for the parents to have been involved... but is still going to blame them anyway


  • #1939
    Sweet.Science
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    thecomedian wrote: »
    Sweet Science have a look at this post.

    If i was a betting man my theory would be .

    The 3 kids were left . Kate and Gerry went for food.
    At 9pm Gerry walked as far as the patio . Didnt go in to check on them. Just listened for noise to see if they were awake. No noise went back for the lovely wine
    Oldfield listened to noise aswel and didnt check. This would be backed up with his words to Kate when he returned 'All quiet'
    Kate was the 1st person to actually go into the room to check at 10pm.
    Any alleged abductor would be well gone at that stage

    Kate/Gerry and the Tapas 7 knew they would be in trouble with the police. Had only a short timeframe to get their stories straight hence the discrepancies. From then on they had to run with it

    Some members of the Tapas 7 give me the creeps . Any alleged abductor would need someone on the inside for this. Who tipped him off? Who was watching them eat so the coast was clear ? Someone in the apartment complex? Someone in the restaurant ? One of the Tapas 7 ?


  • #1940
    Sweet.Science
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    Just to finish off . Shame on the parents


  • #1941
    cnocbui
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    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Thats true . However , they were the last to see her alive in their apartment . Her blood was found in the apartment . Nobody else as seen her being taken from the apartment . So they will also be the number 1 suspect until someone else is arrested/charged. Its always been the way for someone who disappears . Who was the last to see them .

    No forensic evidence has ever been recovered that would suggest Madeline came to harm.

    There is no evidence whatsoever as to what happened - full stop. No evidence Madeline wandered off, no evidence she was kidnapped, no evidence her parents had anything to do with her disappearance, no evidence she came to any harm, no evidence she is dead, no evidence she is still alive - nothing, zero, nada, zip, SFA.

    The only evidence of anything is that Madeline McCann has disappeared. That's it.


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  • #1942
    thecomedian
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    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    If i was a betting man my theory would be .

    The 3 kids were left . Kate and Gerry went for food.
    At 9pm Gerry walked as far as the patio . Didnt go in to check on them. Just listened for noise to see if they were awake. No noise went back for the lovely wine
    Oldfield listened to noise aswel and didnt check. This would be backed up with his words to Kate when he returned 'All quiet'
    Kate was the 1st person to actually go into the room to check at 10pm.
    Any alleged abductor would be well gone at that stage

    Kate/Gerry and the Tapas 7 knew they would be in trouble with the police. Had only a short timeframe to get their stories straight hence the discrepancies. From then on they had to run with it

    Some members of the Tapas 7 give me the creeps . Any alleged abductor would need someone on the inside for this. Who tipped him off? Who was watching them eat so the coast was clear ? Someone in the apartment complex? Someone in the restaurant ? One of the Tapas 7 ?

    What are you trying to say here??

    That someone did take the child and the parents weren’t checking up as often as they say??


  • #1943
    Rock77
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    cnocbui wrote: »
    No forensic evidence has ever been recovered that would suggest Madeline came to harm.

    There is no evidence whatsoever as to what happened - full stop. No evidence Madeline wandered off, no evidence she was kidnapped, no evidence her parents had anything to do with her disappearance, no evidence she came to any harm, no evidence she is dead, no evidence she is still alive - nothing, zero, nada, zip, SFA.

    The only evidence of anything is that Madeline McCann has disappeared. That's it.

    Sweet science refuses to acknowledge when they post false ‘facts’ about this case


  • #1944
    Sweet.Science
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    thecomedian wrote: »
    What are you trying to say here??

    That someone did take the child and the parents weren’t checking up as often as they say??

    If i had to guess now after the new lead then yes.

    The whole idea of a 3 yr old girl been taken by a monster while she sleeps makes me not want to believe it could be true.

    All alone and helpless. All the while her mother and father drink and eat not a care in the world . Their children a hindrance to their holiday . Shame on them. In her time of need.


  • #1945
    cnocbui
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    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Just to finish off . Shame on the parents

    140,219 children died from drowning in 2014 (presumably), according to the WHO.
    Alarmingly, drowning is among the 10 leading causes of death of children and young people in every region of the world, with children aged under 5 years disproportionately at risk

    Shame on a lot of parents, presumably.


  • #1946
    Sweet.Science
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    cnocbui wrote: »
    140,219 children died from drowning in 2014 (presumably), according to the WHO.



    Shame on a lot of parents, presumably.


    Depends on the circumstances obviously


  • #1947
    2u2me
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    cnocbui wrote: »
    No forensic evidence has ever been recovered that would suggest Madeline came to harm.

    There is no evidence whatsoever as to what happened - full stop. No evidence Madeline wandered off, no evidence she was kidnapped, no evidence her parents had anything to do with her disappearance, no evidence she came to any harm, no evidence she is dead, no evidence she is still alive - nothing, zero, nada, zip, SFA.

    The only evidence of anything is that Madeline McCann has disappeared. That's it.

    Not necessarily. The new 'evidence' we have, although no conclusive; is that the german authorities suspect CB who changed his licence plate the day after.

    The other part of new information is that CB had a phone call for nearly 30 minutes shortly before this time(I'm not sure it has been reported exactly what time this phone call took place) but the police suspect this phone call has something to do with the disappearance; they must do if they are looking for information about it.

    This surely implies a conspiracy :
    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Any alleged abductor would need someone on the inside for this. Who tipped him off? Who was watching them eat so the coast was clear ? Someone in the apartment complex? Someone in the restaurant ? One of the Tapas 7 ?


  • #1948
    Plumbthedepths
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    cnocbui wrote: »

    The only evidence of anything is that Madeline McCann has disappeared. That's it.

    Totally agreed. The only fact we can be certain of is her missing is due to the behaviour of her parents as unpalatable as that is to some.
    Every theory in the absence of evidence to the contrary is valid .


  • #1949
    2u2me
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    cnocbui wrote: »
    140,219 children died from drowning in 2014 (presumably), according to the WHO.
    Shame on a lot of parents, presumably.

    I wonder how many kids have been saved that would otherwise would've come to harm if they hadn't heard about this case.

    Surely if it's even 1 then at least Madeleline's memory did some good for the world.


  • #1950
    cnocbui
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    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    If i had to guess now after the new lead then yes.

    The whole idea of a 3 yr old girl been taken by a monster while she sleeps makes me not want to believe it could be true.

    All alone and helpless. All the while her mother and father drink and eat not a care in the world . Their children a hindrance to their holiday . Shame on them. In her time of need.

    A six year old girl in the UK was kidnapped from her bath while her mother cooked supper in the kitchen, she was driven a good distance away and raped and was then dumped naked in the snow, in an ally.

    I blame the perpetrator, not the mother for being inattentive. If harm came to Madeline in a similar way, I would blame the perpetrator. There have been cases in Australia and the US, worldwide I'm sure, of children coming to similar harm by evil men who broke in to their homes.

    Personally, I think blaming anyone other than the perpetrators is fatuous and unproductive.


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  • #1951
    SusieBlue
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    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    If i was a betting man my theory would be .

    The 3 kids were left . Kate and Gerry went for food.
    At 9pm Gerry walked as far as the patio . Didnt go in to check on them. Just listened for noise to see if they were awake. No noise went back for the lovely wine
    Oldfield listened to noise aswel and didnt check. This would be backed up with his words to Kate when he returned 'All quiet'
    Kate was the 1st person to actually go into the room to check at 10pm.
    Any alleged abductor would be well gone at that stage

    Kate/Gerry and the Tapas 7 knew they would be in trouble with the police. Had only a short timeframe to get their stories straight hence the discrepancies. From then on they had to run with it

    Some members of the Tapas 7 give me the creeps . Any alleged abductor would need someone on the inside for this. Who tipped him off? Who was watching them eat so the coast was clear ? Someone in the apartment complex? Someone in the restaurant ? One of the Tapas 7 ?

    But why? They were already potentially in trouble with the police anyway. Whether they did or didn’t check on the kids, they had still left them alone unsupervised in an unlocked apartment.
    If the PJ or UK police had wanted to prosecute them, do you really think they’d have been left off the hook just because they pretended they checked on them a few times? That fact would have made no difference whatsoever.
    They were in trouble regardless.

    The whole world knew they were stupid enough to leave their kids, and no one cared that they had been checking on them. They still got dogs abuse so they had no reason to lie.
    Independent witnesses (JW) also met Gerry along the way when he was checking on the kids, and he was hardly going for a stroll around the block mid dinner. A witness like that has no motivation to lie.

    I find it completely implausible that one of the Tapas 7 tipped off a local pedo gang - sure their own kids were also unattended and would then have been at risk too.
    Usually the most simple explanation is the right one.

    They dined at the same table, in the same restaurant at the same time every night. There was a note made on their booking that they had to have this table/time slot as it gave the easiest access to the apartments to check on their unattended kids.
    A myriad of staff, from waiters to receptionists to cleaners, had access to this book. All it would take would be for one of these staff to mention it to the wrong person even in passing.
    Or tip off criminals for cash. The apartment was unlocked, had street access and was being watched for several days before they took her.

    I strongly urge you to watch the Netflix documentary about Madeleine, it explains all of these things very well.


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