Madeleine McCann

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Here

• everyone wants to see this case solved
• nobody disputes that the parents should not have left the kids alone like that; the emphasis one puts on this depends greatly on the individual and their empathy (yes, Madeleine is the primary victim)
• nobody really knows wtf happened, however:

MonsterCookie wrote: »

it's painful to read all the squabbling on this thread.

a few posters have stated what they perceive to be facts, and said 'we can all agree on'...when in fact it's obvious that we don't all agree on many aspects of the case.

but what is common ground?

let me try to summarise in the interests of moving the discussion forward on a more positive note:

• everyone wants to see this case solved
• nobody disputes that the parents should not have left the kids alone like that; the emphasis one puts on this depends greatly on the individual and their empathy (yes, Madeleine is the primary victim)
• nobody really knows wtf happened, however:

1. many posters have read a lot of information over the last 13 years - some of it conflicting and confusing, and none of it really conclusive
2. some posters are not as well read and dare i say it, this doesn't stop them being judgemental of others and when cornered they shift the goalposts (this happens regardless of aforementioned predisposition)
3. we're feeding off scraps of information coming from the tabloid media (and i include Sky in that) - BBC and RTE for example are much more reserved in what they report.
4. the latest suspect seems to be promising on the basis of what the german prosecutor has said, and seems to be a nasty piece of work whether guilty of Madeleine's abduction and or murder or not.
5. it could take a long time before this line of enquiry concludes so we need to be patient and keep an open mind
6. meantime, we should all be civil to each other - otherwise it becomes very unhealthy

have i missed anything?

TheW1zard wrote: »

7. There is as much proof the parents did it than didn't.

TheW1zard wrote: »

7. There is as much proof the parents did it than didn't.

tigger123 wrote: »

There's as much proof Donald Trump did it, than didnt.

cnocbui wrote: »

You don't even understand the meaning of the word 'proof' let alone have the ability to make sense of anything.

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

The suspicion of drug use came from witness statements from the taps friends that the twins never woke up despite all the noise and commotion and being brought out into the open to go to another apartment. Plus the statement from one of the tapas friends to the police that Kate kept checking the twins were breathing and it seemed unusual at the time.

POLICE hunting for missing Madeleine McCann discovered a syringe in her parents’ bedroom, it was dramatically claimed last night

In the latest slur against Kate and Gerry McCann, the hypodermic needle was allegedly found in a cupboard at the apartment where their daughter vanished.

According to reports in the Portuguese press, police are examining the theory that the needle could have been used by Madeleine's parents -both doctors - to administer sedatives to their children to help them sleep.

Hurtful and unfounded rumours in the Portuguese media claim that detectives are convinced the couple accidentally killed four-year-old Madeleine by giving her an overdose of sedatives.

Last night a spokeswoman for the couple angrily denied the latest slurs and insisted that the McCanns had never sedated their children.

She said: "I can categorically say the McCanns did not have syringes or sedatives with them on holiday. They do not use sedatives on their children. This story is absolute nonsense, it is totally untrue".

The allegations are the latest in a long line of vicious attacks the McCanns have been forced to endure while desperately waiting for news of their daughter.

But there has been a significant shift in the tone of the attacks in recent days, with a number of Portuguese papers now accusing the McCanns outright of killing their daughter.

The respected Correio da Manha paper wrote yesterday: Madeleine's parents
kept a tranquiliser kit in the cupboard of the Ocean Club bedroom".

The paper went on to claim that weight was being given to the theory of an accidental overdose because the McCanns other children, two-year-old twins
Sean and Amelie, had not woken up on the night Madeleine vanished 119 days ago, despite the noise and confusion around them.

The paper also quoted Gerry McCann insisting that the twins were very sound sleepers and tired after an exhausting day playing in the pool.

The allegations were attributed to a source close to the investigation, but Portuguese police last night refused to comment.

The police, who are not allowed to speak about the investigation because of Portugal's strict secrecy laws, have always maintained that the McCanns are not and never have been suspects.

The allegations also clash with evidence provided by British ex-pat Pamela Fenn, who lives in the apartment above the one from which Madeleine disappeared.

Pamela Fenn

Mrs Fenn, 81, told the police that two nights before the incident she heard a little girl loudly crying, "Daddy, daddy" in the apartment.

She said the crying had lasted for some time, but stopped when the McCanns returned to the apartment after dinner.

This would suggest the children were not being regularly sedated and were, in fact, wide awake after being put to bed.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Apparently the McCann children were all heavy sleepers.