Madeleine McCann

happyoutscan · 17-06-2020 06:07PM

limnam wrote: »

I wouldn't bring a stray dog to it.

Bizarre spot.

Been there 4 times in last 6 years, lovely spot and extremely quiet (twice in Oct and twice in May).

First time we visited (May 2013) there was a Police dig going on on wasteground at the western side of the village. Cant remember if it was British or local police.

I was having a coffee in Westport yesterday and a known sex offender (pedo) walked by.

There's absolutely no escaping them.

iamwhoiam · 17-06-2020 06:21PM

happyoutscan wrote: »

Been there 4 times in last 6 years, lovely spot and extremely quiet (twice in Oct and twice in May).

First time we visited (Oct 2013) there was a Police dig going on on wasteground at the western side of the village. Cant remember if it was British or local police.

I was having a coffee in Westport yesterday and a known sex offender (pedo) walked by.

There's absolutely no escaping them.

I was there in 2008 , really lovely place and the coast is beautiful .

Strumms · 17-06-2020 07:45PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Had to refresh myself in the night in question again.
Bizarre behaviour by seemingly intelligent people. Unwilling to hire a babysitting service as they did not wish to upset the children's routine. There was reports that Maddie questioned Kate and Gerry why they didn't come when 'we were crying' the night before.
The children were left alone for 3 hours each evening for several evenings.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-489143/Kate-Gerry-left-Madeleine-hours-nights-row.html

This is the baffling thing. Intelligent people, who left 3 children, all aged under 3. In an unlocked apartment, on the ground floor, for hours... that’s CRAZY. There is ZERO excusing that...

What was the mindset to leaving the door unlocked ? If there was a medical event, a fire, the 3 year old could raise the alarm ? While two toddlers are left alone in bed ?

They left 3 children, their children, alone, in an unlocked ground floor apartment in a foreign town... fûcking assholes, seriously, that’s neglect on the highest scale known.

Two absolute doses of parents...

OwlsZat · 17-06-2020 07:49PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

I've been a member, on and off, of Boards since the mid 2000s. Here's how every single AH Maddie thread goes:
The Anti McCanns try to make some valid points

The Pro McCanns gather around them with vicious replies. (Are they all in a WhatsApp group where they alert each other of Maddie threads and then gang up on the Anti McCanns? I'm joking of course, but it feels that way)

Thread gets litigious

Warnings get handed out

Thread gets litigious again and/or goes around and around in circles of abuse from both sides

Thread gets locked

As an aside, I notice the biggest Boards defender of the McCanns is still posting on these threads for over 10 years. Her attitude towards anti McCanns is still completely over the top and it's like a full time job to her defending these very questionable parents. She even does it across multiple threads at the same time on the site

If I didn't know better I'd presume she was part of the McCann's online PR team

Great post. The crime itself is almost as bizarre as some of the McCann defenders. Clearly these people feel the utmost empathy for what were at best exceptionally negligent parents. What's worse again is people defending Kate using references from her book!! Actually beggers belief!!

:eek::eek::eek:

dark crystal · 17-06-2020 07:59PM

OwlsZat wrote: »

Great post. The crime itself is almost as bizarre as some of the McCann defenders. Clearly these people feel the utmost empathy for what were at best exceptionally negligent parents. What's worse again is people defending Kate using references from her book!! Actually beggers belief!!

:eek::eek::eek:

Says the poster who posted one of the potentially litigious posts he's talking about. Beggars belief!!

:D

Anyway, Hans Christian Wolters has been speaking again. Refuses to say what was in the letter he sent to Madeleine's parents, but reiterates they have 'concrete' proof, not mere indications, that she is dead. Adds that it is not forensic; i.e, a corpse.

https://www.thejournal.ie/madeleine-mccann-investigation-2-5125907-Jun2020/

Sweet.Science · 17-06-2020 08:01PM

retro:electro wrote: »

1. The door was unlocked, they didn’t need to break in.
2. I believe the last three people to check on the children were Gerry, then Matthew Oldfield, then Kate. David did not check on the children while they dined. I also know what you’re insinuating with that post and I’ve no interest in engaging with you on that front.

Gerry and Matthew Oldfield didn't go into her room. They just stood at the door and assumed she was in the bed

That's if you believe they ever went at all which I don't

So yes . The last people to see her alive was Kate McCann and David Payne .

We can agree on that

iamwhoiam · 17-06-2020 08:11PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Gerry and Matthew Oldfield didn't go into her room. They just stood at the door and assumed she was in the bed

That's if you believe they ever went at all which I don't

So yes . The last people to see her alive was Kate McCann and David Payne .

We can agree on that

Actually Gerry had said he did look in and had a “ proud dad moment when he saw her lieing there asleep “

retro:electro · 17-06-2020 08:17PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Gerry and Matthew Oldfield didn't go into her room. They just stood at the door and assumed she was in the bed

That's if you believe they ever went at all which I don't

So yes . The last people to see her alive was Kate McCann and David Payne .

We can agree on that

Gerry did actually. Shows how little you know.

dark crystal · 17-06-2020 08:18PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Gerry and Matthew Oldfield didn't go into her room. They just stood at the door and assumed she was in the bed

That's if you believe they ever went at all which I don't

So yes . The last people to see her alive was Kate McCann and David Payne .

We can agree on that

So Jez Wilkins was lying when he said he met and talked to Gerry by the steps of apartment 3a at around 9pm then where Gerry told him he was on 'night duty'?

Or maybe you believe he was in on the conspiracy too?

iamwhoiam · 17-06-2020 08:24PM

I am actually disgusted reading about Christian Brückners criminal history and how he was allowed roam Europe commiting crimes and given short ridiculous sentances . Its mind boggling

Sweet.Science · 17-06-2020 08:30PM

dark crystal wrote: »

So Jez Wilkins was lying when he said he met and talked to Gerry by the steps of apartment 3a at around 9pm then where Gerry told him he was on 'night duty'?

Or maybe you believe he was in on the conspiracy too?

That was Jane tanner by the way . Maybe it's you who doesn't know much about this alleged abduction

Covering herself and her negligence is all that was .

Day Lewin · 17-06-2020 08:32PM

dark crystal wrote: »

Says the poster who posted one of the potentially litigious posts he's talking about. Beggars belief!! :D

Anyway, Hans Christian Wolters has been speaking again. Refuses to say what was in the letter he sent to Madeleine's parents, but reiterates they have 'concrete' proof, not mere indications, that she is dead. Adds that it is not forensic; i.e, a corpse.

https://www.thejournal.ie/madeleine-mccann-investigation-2-5125907-Jun2020/

Aw sh1t. That does sound like video, or a photo. B@stard.

iamwhoiam · 17-06-2020 08:33PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Covering herself and her negligence .

Who is “ her “ ???
Jez Wilkinson is the person who chatted to Gerry , Jane Tanner only passed them by

May I suggest you read the case and the testimonies again perhaps

retro:electro · 17-06-2020 08:38PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

That was Jane tanner by the way . Maybe it's you who doesn't know much about this alleged abduction

Covering herself and her negligence is all that was .

Oh dear.

Witness testimony of Jeremy Wilkins.

“As stated in my original deposition, I believe that I left the apartment around 20h30. I calculate that I met Gerry on the road between 20h45 and 21h15”

“I am more certain of this than I am of our relative positions.
The conversation lasted for approximately three to five minutes. We spoke of the care of children and how they were getting along. He told me something like 'he was on night duty”

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS-ROGATORY.htm

dark crystal · 17-06-2020 08:40PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

That was Jane tanner by the way . Maybe it's you who doesn't know much about this alleged abduction

Covering herself and her negligence is all that was .

What? Have you actually read Jez Wilkins statement? Here you go:

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS.htm

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS-ROGATORY.htm

I have no idea what your second sentence means.

Sweet.Science · 17-06-2020 08:40PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Who is “ her “ ???
Jez Wilkinson is the person who chatted to Gerry , Jane Tanner only passed them by

May I suggest you read the case and the testimonies again perhaps

Ah come on. Is that the statement that was changed 5 times ?

Sweet.Science · 17-06-2020 08:41PM

dark crystal wrote: »

What? Have you actually read Jez Wilkins statement? Here you go:

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS.htm

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS-ROGATORY.htm

I have no idea what your second sentence means.

The first or the fifth statement when it's finally what everyone wants it to be ? Wouldn't waste my time reading more lies

retro:electro · 17-06-2020 08:46PM

Lol. I really do hope the majority of rational minded people reading this realise exactly what’s going on here. Make false statement, get called out on it, shift goalposts, deflect, exaggerate, spin.. and when all else fails resort to the “but the parents were negligent” argument for safety.
It’s the modus operandi of the self confessed “Anti McCanns”.. just labelling themselves that should tell you all you need to know.

dark crystal · 17-06-2020 08:48PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

The first or the fifth statement when it's finally what everyone wants it to be ? Wouldn't waste my time reading more lies

Lol, you really hadn't a notion, had you? Awks...

Sweet.Science · 17-06-2020 08:53PM

dark crystal wrote: »

Lol, you really hadn't a notion, had you? Awks...

Notion of what ? No statement other than Gerry's says he went to check on his children . And I won't believe him

Day Lewin · 17-06-2020 09:03PM

dark crystal wrote: »

What? Have you actually read Jez Wilkins statement? Here you go:

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS.htm

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS-ROGATORY.htm

.....

Good grief - Jeremy Wilkins spotted a strange, tall, tough guy coming into that restaurant...

"-- He told us that yesterday, between 8.30 and 9pm, while he was in the "TAPAS" restaurant, he noted that a person of around 1.70m, with long blond hair, apparently of the "Rasta," style and dressed in green military-style clothes, entered the restaurant. This person did not stay very long. Their behaviour was somewhat strange and they seemed to be rather nervous. He was alone, he did not speak to anyone and left soon afterwards. The informant maintains that he has never seen this person in the village. --- "

I hope someone has shown him a photo of the New Suspect and asked "was it this person?"

dark crystal · 17-06-2020 09:03PM

Day Lewin wrote: »

Aw sh1t. That does sound like video, or a photo. B@stard.

It's hard to piece together what he's actually saying. I would tend to agree that they've got either photographic or audiovisual evidence, seeing as how he has ruled out forensic evidence.

It's actually awful to imagine what they might have. Reports that usb sticks and memory cards containing thousands of child abuse images were discovered under the body of his dead dog. Imagine having to sift through those images?

Horrific.

Sweet.Science · 17-06-2020 09:06PM

dark crystal wrote: »

It's hard to piece together what he's actually saying. I would tend to agree that they've got either photographic or audiovisual evidence, seeing as how he has ruled out forensic evidence.

It's actually awful to imagine what they might have. Reports that usb sticks and memory cards containing thousands of child abuse were discovered under the body of his dead dog. Imagine having to sift through those images?

Horrific.

Shocking . The world is a horrible place .

dark crystal · 17-06-2020 09:07PM

Day Lewin wrote: »

Good grief - he spotted a strange, tall, tough guy coming into that restaurant...
"-- He told us that yesterday, between 8.30 and 9pm, while he was in the "TAPAS" restaurant, he noted that a person of around 1.70m, with long blond hair, apparently of the "Rasta," style and dressed in green military-style clothes, entered the restaurant. This person did not stay very long. Their behaviour was somewhat strange and they seemed to be rather nervous. He was alone, he did not speak to anyone and left soon afterwards. The informant maintains that he has never seen this person in the village. --- "

I hope someone has shown him a photo of the New Suspect and asked "was it this person?"

In his later statement to Leicester Police, he says he mentioned the sighting to Robert Murat, who was helping the police to translate and he stated that the man he saw was a local.

Bridget and I returned to the apartment and minutes afterward, a uniformed police officer, accompanied by a British man serving as interpreter, showed up. Later we came to know him as Robert Murat. I do not remember if he gave me his details but recently when I was cleaning a bag, I came across a card with his name and telephone number. I believe that he may have given this to me so that we could contact him in case we had any additional information to offer. The police officer asked us if we had noticed anything out of the normal and Robert Murat translated. I spoke to him of the 'rasta man' and the police officer took some notes on paper. He also noted our names and passport numbers. During the days that followed, as we passed through the police cordon, we noticed Robert Murat on numerous occasions. On Friday, the 4th of May or Saturday, 5th of May 2007, at one of the police cordons, I again saw Robert Murat. He told me that they had investigated the lead of the 'rasta man' but that he was a local man and that everything was okay. He thanked me for my collaboration. I never saw Robert prior to his visit to our apartment with the police officer.

SusieBlue · 17-06-2020 09:18PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Ah come on. Is that the statement that was changed 5 times ?

The constant goalpost shifting is quite a sight to behold.

Jez Wilkinson met and spoke to Gerry who was en route to check on the children, between 9:45-10:15pm. He is an independent witness who has absolutely no reason to lie.
This means that Kate & David Payne weren’t the last people to see Madeleine alive, thus knocking your warped little baseless theory on its head.

Taken directly from Jez’s statement to the PJ:

Q. Relative to anything strange in Gerry's behaviour;
I can affirm without any reservation that Gerry's behaviour was absolutely normal. He was not preoccupied and conversed and appeared relaxed. He behaved if the same form as with the other times we met.

OwlsZat · 17-06-2020 09:21PM

dark crystal wrote: »

So Jez Wilkins was lying when he said he met and talked to Gerry by the steps of apartment 3a at around 9pm then where Gerry told him he was on 'night duty'?

Or maybe you believe he was in on the conspiracy too?

Isn't that the part of the tv enactment they wish they never did? Where Gerry starts going off on Jane because she has told the cameras Gerry was on the other side of the road to what he said? Whoops

Sweet.Science · 17-06-2020 09:21PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

The constant goalpost shifting is quite a sight to behold.

Jez Wilkinson met and spoke to Gerry who was en route to check on the children, between 9:45-10:15pm. He is an independent witness who has absolutely no reason to lie.
This means that Kate & David Payne weren’t the last people to see Madeleine alive, thus knocking your warped little baseless theory on its head.

Taken directly from Jez’s statement to the PJ:

Q. Relative to anything strange in Gerry's behaviour;
I can affirm without any reservation that Gerry's behaviour was absolutely normal. He was not preoccupied and conversed and appeared relaxed. He behaved if the same form as with the other times we met.

Here we go again . How do you know Gerry actually went and checked on his children ?

Sweet.Science · 17-06-2020 09:21PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

The constant goalpost shifting is quite a sight to behold.

Jez Wilkinson met and spoke to Gerry who was en route to check on the children, between 9:45-10:15pm. He is an independent witness who has absolutely no reason to lie.
This means that Kate & David Payne weren’t the last people to see Madeleine alive, thus knocking your warped little baseless theory on its head.

Taken directly from Jez’s statement to the PJ:

Q. Relative to anything strange in Gerry's behaviour;
I can affirm without any reservation that Gerry's behaviour was absolutely normal. He was not preoccupied and conversed and appeared relaxed. He behaved if the same form as with the other times we met.

Here we go again . How do you know Gerry actually went and checked on his children ?

SusieBlue · 17-06-2020 09:22PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Here we go again . How do you know Gerry actually went and checked on his children ?

How do you know he didn’t? What reason does he have to lie? What reason does Jez Wilkinson have to lie?

retro:electro · 17-06-2020 09:24PM

OwlsZat wrote: »

Isn't that the part of the tv enactment they wish they never did? Where Gerry starts going off on Jane because she has told the cameras Gerry was on the other side of the road to what he said? Whoops

You would think that they would have nailed down this piece of “incriminating” information in their pre prepared - rehearsed - it never happened - let’s pretend - timeline before going public with it. Amateurs!

Madeleine McCann

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