George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck [Part 2] (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

Overheal · 16-06-2020 10:50pm

2u2me wrote: »

That's because the media is drumming this unfair narrative into them. Look at that little girl for example, her expectation had absolutely nothing to do with reality.(how many little girls were shot last year by the police)?

Alright, at the risk of going on full blown rants (plural), about how the media is drumming nothing that society is not already, that the police have enjoyed the best portrayal in the media since the beginning of our culture, and certainly far better than that of blacks or simply progressives, about how there is never perfect coverage for violence or tragedies, what do you expect coverage to look like right now?

joe40 · 16-06-2020 10:58pm

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

to all those in this thread who would have you believe you must be with them on their side or belong on what was referred to as the otherside.

this shows why decent rational people are not on either side.

And this is 30 years old

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=586579685568675

That was good thanks.

Overheal · 16-06-2020 11:05pm

Google pulled ZeroHedge and the Federalist off of its Ad revenue program until they comply with removing objectionable content - idk what that means for ZH but for federalist afaik it was the comments section, where users were left unchecked to post unverified claims about the protests. Federalist disabled and removed its comments section to come back into compliance.

Google appears to understand that black lives matter, and have expressed themselves through money, a protected form of speech.

joe40 · 16-06-2020 11:13pm

2u2me wrote: »

That's because the media is drumming this unfair narrative into them. Look at that little girl for example, her expectation had absolutely nothing to do with reality.(how many little girls were shot last year by the police)?

https://youtu.be/HzTET0cV_PM

This story is about an Amazon driver been arrested. It was obviously unacceptable, and the police man had the young man on the ground.
But what got me was the real fear the witnesses had, they were begging the young man to stay still don't move. This was an arrest, but everyone was afraid that it could get much worse very easily. These seemed like nice people that level of fear of the police should not exist in a democratic country.

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 16-06-2020 11:17pm

The woman from the DOJ getting roasted for not having figures at hand 242? cases the DOJ has handled from 17 to 19

Overheal · 16-06-2020 11:32pm

joe40 wrote: »

https://youtu.be/HzTET0cV_PM

This story is about an Amazon driver been arrested. It was obviously unacceptable, and the police man had the young man on the ground.
But what got me was the real fear the witnesses had, they were begging the young man to stay still don't move. This was an arrest, but everyone was afraid that it could get much worse very easily. These seemed like nice people that level of fear of the police should not exist in a democratic country.

And this was over a parking infraction. He parked parallel in the wrong direction, the cop escalated force when the driver didn’t immediately drop what he was doing to produce his license. The motorcycle cop chose to drive across the sidewalk and the lawn, rather than around the truck and up the driveway, a ridiculous overreaction from the start for parking related issues.

joe40 · 16-06-2020 11:44pm

Overheal wrote: »

And this was over a parking infraction. He parked parallel in the wrong direction, the cop escalated force when the driver didn’t immediately drop what he was doing to produce his license. The motorcycle cop chose to drive across the sidewalk and the lawn, rather than around the truck and up the driveway, a ridiculous overreaction from the start for parking related issues.

Yeah it may not be in the video I posted but another report had one of the neighbors saying they were pleading with the man to say nothing, do not move. They were genuinely scared.
That was the bit that struck me more than the heavy handed arrest.

Overheal · 16-06-2020 11:50pm

joe40 wrote: »

Yeah it may not be in the video I posted but another report had one of the neighbors saying they were pleading with the man to say nothing, do not move. They were genuinely scared.
That was the bit that struck me more than the heavy handed arrest.

They’re inseparable. The heavy handed presence of the cop from the instant he initiated the scene puts the neighbors in the mindset. The guys on LivePD for instance would approach that kind of situation by parking their own car and starting with pleasantries, not hurrying over the landscape as if lives were at stake if this parking violation wasn’t rectified ten minutes ago. But once it got physical the neighbors fear was inevitable they knew it was bs.

Manic Moran · 17-06-2020 4:43am

2u2me wrote: »

It's further in the video. He is being attacked by three people. The ones with guns there are outnumbered and seemed to be leaving.

Yet the camera runs towards a scuffle between 3 men and 1 armed man. The third man hits the armed man with a skateboard on the head that's when the armed man shoots (dead?)

Not for the feint hearted.

Shorter version of the video followed by a video of the leadup. Whatever happened up until then, he was clearly leaving as seen here. https://twitter.com/MdKnightBabe/status/1273046298363490304
He was chased down by people yelling they would kill him, beaten to the ground, when he got up, he was hit by the skateboard, at which point he finally produced his firearm and shot one of his attackers who was apparently holding a knife.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EarjRIbWsAA4eQy?format=jpg&name=small

There's not a jury in New Mexico which would convict him of homicide, I would think.

WrenBoy · 17-06-2020 9:46am

Manic Moran wrote: »

There's not a jury in New Mexico which would convict him of homicide, I would think.

Seems a pretty clear cut case of self defence. He was trying to get away and they pursued, screaming that they were going to kill him. I feel bad for the guy who pulled the trigger to be honest, any clue what led up to this ? Why were they chasing him ?

Overheal · 17-06-2020 12:42pm

WrenBoy wrote: »

Seems a pretty clear cut case of self defence. He was trying to get away and they pursued, screaming that they were going to kill him. I feel bad for the guy who pulled the trigger to be honest, any clue what led up to this ? Why were they chasing him ?

He’s part of an unregulated militia who injected themselves into a riot to tear down a statue.

Side note for those interested, r/2020policebrutality

https://www.reddit.com/r/2020PoliceBrutality/

AbusesToilets · 17-06-2020 1:11pm

Overheal wrote: »

He’s part of an unregulated militia who injected themselves into a riot to tear down a statue.

Side note for those interested, r/2020policebrutality

https://www.reddit.com/r/2020PoliceBrutality/

He wasn't doing anything provocative that I could see. He was attacked for little reason, bar perhaps they suspected he was a cop?

Tell me how · 17-06-2020 1:52pm

2u2me wrote: »

That's because the media is drumming this unfair narrative into them. Look at that little girl for example, her expectation had absolutely nothing to do with reality.(how many little girls were shot last year by the police)?

Yeah, every 6-12 year old is checking in with Fox and CNN nightly to see what is happening in the world.

An ignorance of just what these people have experienced and continue to experience is part of the privilege that many are up in arms about, saying that they don't have it.

Overheal · 17-06-2020 2:14pm

AbusesToilets wrote: »

He wasn't doing anything provocative that I could see. He was attacked for little reason, bar perhaps they suspected he was a cop?

You watched the full video you linked me to surely. So you know they injected themselves into the riot and tried to force others away from the statue. They created the hostile situation they found themselves in, thinking they had an upper hand until they didn’t.

WrenBoy · 17-06-2020 2:18pm

Overheal wrote: »

You watched the full video you linked me to surely. So you know they injected themselves into the riot and tried to force others away from the statue. They created the hostile situation they found themselves in, thinking they had an upper hand until they didn’t.

lol, You make it sound like the ones destroying the statue were just going about normal everyday business, surely pulling down property is already a hostile situation.

Overheal · 17-06-2020 2:23pm

Officer chokehold without provocation

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/h9qvo0/officer_chocking_a_guy_for_no_reason_he_was_later/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Multiple police witness a man punch a peaceful protester in the back of the head. No action is taken, they side with the mob

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/h99osc/just_another_****stain_town_in_ohio/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Unprovoked destruction of property

https://www.reddit.com/r/2020PoliceBrutality/comments/hakoky/was_this_even_necessary/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Officer OPENS FIRE at someone recording a police crackdown from their apartment window!

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/hapxha/cops_shoot_at_window_of_guy_recording_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Overheal · 17-06-2020 2:27pm

WrenBoy wrote: »

lol, You make it sound like the ones destroying the statue were just going about normal everyday business, surely pulling down property is already a hostile situation.

That.. was my point. Whoosh

The situation was already hostile and they jumped into the fray thinking their big dick energy would save them. It did not, and they cowered down from the statue after a few minutes, the rest is less clear.

It was a situation best left to law enforcement not an unregulated militia of cosplayers.

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 17-06-2020 2:44pm

Overheal wrote: »

Officer chokehold without provocation

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/h9qvo0/officer_chocking_a_guy_for_no_reason_he_was_later/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Multiple police witness a man punch a peaceful protester in the back of the head. No action is taken, they side with the mob

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/h99osc/just_another_****stain_town_in_ohio/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Unprovoked destruction of property

https://www.reddit.com/r/2020PoliceBrutality/comments/hakoky/was_this_even_necessary/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Officer OPENS FIRE at someone recording a police crackdown from their apartment window!

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/hapxha/cops_shoot_at_window_of_guy_recording_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

On that one taking sides...

Yeah don't forget, police should not take sides in these things..

https://unicornriot.ninja/2020/philadelphia-police-threaten-unicorn-riot-reporter-after-vigilante-assault/

Assault, property damage.. and he is the one inciting a riot??? Hmmm.

2u2me · 17-06-2020 3:21pm

Jocko Willink weighs in on defunding the police.

"Most people are pretty sane, pretty reasonable, when we all saw the George Floyd video we were all equally in shock and disgust; so why are we so completely divided on this whole thing?"

No law-enforcement are saying, "Look, to control a guy you need to keep your knee on his neck for 9 minutes"

Anyone who practices jiu-jitsu knows that banning chokeholds as a means of restraint is crazy,
"if you want to get someone under control and you can't choke them, you need to hit them in the head about 7 times and risk injuring them"

What do the police need more than anything else?" Money for training."

"Being a cop is the hardest job in the world"

Overheal · 17-06-2020 3:31pm

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

On that one taking sides...

Yeah don't forget, police should not take sides in these things..

https://unicornriot.ninja/2020/philadelphia-police-threaten-unicorn-riot-reporter-after-vigilante-assault/

Assault, property damage.. and he is the one inciting a riot??? Hmmm.

The officers issued a warrant for the guy who punched the protester in the back of the head. I’m sure they will stop at nothing to pursue the fugitive :rolleyes:

ELM327 · 17-06-2020 3:32pm

There's no talking sense to a lot of these screechers

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 17-06-2020 4:04pm

Overheal wrote: »

The officers issued a warrant for the guy who punched the protester in the back of the head. I’m sure they will stop at nothing to pursue the fugitive :rolleyes:

I'm sure the midnight oil will be burnt to find him.

The recent unicornriot YouTube video is interesting, around the 21/22min mark onwards..

Justin Credible Darts · 17-06-2020 7:07pm

black man knocks 92 year old white woman to the ground who hits her head on a fire hydrant.

somehow this does not get the same outrage when a cop pushes a agitator....what a shock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgutNQcc6Tk

Overheal · 17-06-2020 7:23pm

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

black man knocks 92 year old white woman to the ground who hits her head on a fire hydrant.

somehow this does not get the same outrage when a cop pushes a agitator....what a shock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgutNQcc6Tk

The same outrage as when someone does it who is a paid police officer and supposed to be highly trained at doing their job, protecting and serving? I fail to see how the two incidents warrant similar degrees of public outcry.

The 31-year old man is already arrested and will be duly processed. Cops meanwhile enjoy qualified immunity when they do abhorrent things like this, so no justice is ever served; hence it being more than outrageous when a police officer abuses their power or applies excessive force. If the 31-year old was a cop he'd have millions defending him, but he has no one, so again where is the equivalency?

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 17-06-2020 7:42pm

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

black man knocks 92 year old white woman to the ground who hits her head on a fire hydrant.

somehow this does not get the same outrage when a cop pushes a agitator....what a shock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgutNQcc6Tk

Has there been any proof for this "agitator" label the man child and Qanon have labelled him?
Iirc there was a link to his blog posted on the last thread, I clicked in and could see nothing of note.

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 17-06-2020 9:16pm

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

Has there been any proof for this "agitator" label the man child and Qanon have labelled him?
Iirc there was a link to his blog posted on the last thread, I clicked in and could see nothing of note.

Also, remember the attempts at justifying the push, riot police don't do arrests/don't break their lines..

https://v.redd.it/1ne6sp5bgh551

Even get the push in before they yank him in behind their lines..

joe40 · 17-06-2020 10:01pm

2u2me wrote: »

Jocko Willink weighs in on defunding the police.

"Most people are pretty sane, pretty reasonable, when we all saw the George Floyd video we were all equally in shock and disgust; so why are we so completely divided on this whole thing?"

No law-enforcement are saying, "Look, to control a guy you need to keep your knee on his neck for 9 minutes"

Anyone who practices jiu-jitsu knows that banning chokeholds as a means of restraint is crazy,
"if you want to get someone under control and you can't choke them, you need to hit them in the head about 7 times and risk injuring them"

What do the police need more than anything else?" Money for training."

"Being a cop is the hardest job in the world"

Who is Jocko Willing and why is his opinion important?

Never heard of the guy.

17-06-2020 10:06pm

Trump says choke holds are banned unless the arresting officer thinks his/her life is in danger. In a street situation or wrestle with a felon who doesn't want to go to jail, if you stop and think about his feelings, you'll be the one in the choke hold..end of story! and your spouse gets a flag folded and pressed.

also why is it that anyone who goes on Joe rogan, is considered an absolute authority on everything. Joe is a very bad comedian who commentates on martial arts...he's no Parkinson!

AbusesToilets · 17-06-2020 10:09pm

Overheal wrote: »

That.. was my point. Whoosh

The situation was already hostile and they jumped into the fray thinking their big dick energy would save them. It did not, and they cowered down from the statue after a few minutes, the rest is less clear.

It was a situation best left to law enforcement not an unregulated militia of cosplayers.

You are unparalleled in your efforts to make excuses for clearly violent behaviour. This dude was just as justified in his presence at the demonstration as anyone. 1st Amendment and all that. Gets set upon and struck multiple times and makes every effort to deescalate and disengage. Gets chased with folks shouting they're going to kill him. Struck to the ground and finally defends himself.

Yet you'd act like he instigated the incidents.

2u2me · 17-06-2020 10:13pm

joe40 wrote: »

Who is Jocko Willing and why is his opinion important?

Never heard of the guy.

He's an ex- navy seal who is now a journalist. I only know him because he's appeared on JRE so many times. He was also on Sam Harris' podcast #26(The logic of violence)

Seems a sensible, knowledgable chap I can't find disagreement in anything he says.

According to Joe he doens't know anyone that works harder than that guy.

2u2me · 17-06-2020 10:15pm

rusty cole wrote: »

also why is it that anyone who goes on Joe rogan, is considered an absolute authority on everything. Joe is a very bad comedian who commentates on martial arts...he's no Parkinson!

Joe Rogan has also been a commentator on the UFC basically since it's inception. He knows martial arts and he knows choke holds. These two people are experts in this field for sure. "It's people that are doing it wrong is the problem"

17-06-2020 10:28pm

2u2me wrote: »

Joe Rogan has also been a commentator on the UFC basically since it's inception. He knows martial arts and he knows choke holds. These two people are experts in this field for sure. "It's people that are doing it wrong is the problem"

yes I've watched it since it;s inception and plenty before it, that's not my point.
newsflash, you dont need to be a black belt to know what happens when one is used with impunity, my point is that Trump statement means Nothing and also Joe has been described at times, as highly intelligent. He is fed the info much of the time, he may be well read also, but that;s not the same as being intelligent.

All that aside, its lucky there were two cops the weekend on that taser incident because the guy who pointed the taser had the measure of both of them in seconds and again, one of them could have easily been killed. I watched the video, they were really polite very aware of what has been going on too, so they were extra cautious.

Overheal · 17-06-2020 10:35pm

AbusesToilets wrote: »

You are unparalleled in your efforts to make excuses for clearly violent behaviour. This dude was just as justified in his presence at the demonstration as anyone. 1st Amendment and all that. Gets set upon and struck multiple times and makes every effort to deescalate and disengage. Gets chased with folks shouting they're going to kill him. Struck to the ground and finally defends himself.

Yet you'd act like he instigated the incidents.

Clearly he and his posse did instigate those incidents, the NMCG going so far as to admit they “interposed” themselves in the fray

They are also *not* standing by their guy.

https://www.kob.com/albuquerque-news/new-mexico-civil-guard-distances-themselves-from-alleged-shooter/5761996/

2u2me · 17-06-2020 10:38pm

rusty cole wrote: »

yes I've watched it since it;s inception and plenty before it, that's not my point.
newsflash, you dont need to be a black belt to know what happens when one is used with impunity, my point is that Trump statement means Nothing and also Joe has been described at times, as highly intelligent. He is fed the info much of the time, he may be well read also, but that;s not the same as being intelligent.

All that aside, its lucky there were two cops the weekend on that taser incident because the guy who pointed the taser had the measure of both of them in seconds and again, one of them could have easily been killed. I watched the video, they were really polite very aware of what has been going on too, so they were extra cautious.

What trump statement?

Neither of them are saying that it should be used with impunity. Have you watched the clip, where did they say that? They are advocating that all police should be trained better, they receive too little training about chokeholds. That is their point.

You seem to be disagreeing with it ferociously; what is the problem exactly?

xtal191 · 17-06-2020 11:17pm

2u2me · 17-06-2020 11:37pm

rusty cole wrote: »

you dont need to be a black belt to know what happens when one is used with impunity

I just would like to clarify here: what keeps happening time after time is that officers get off scott-free in situations like this. They fall back on 'oh it was in the training' 'it's a legitimate technique' etc.. etc.. but no instructor worth their salt would stand by what happened to George Floyd; that's the problem there is no accountability here.

If the officers received more training on how specifically to do holds(choke-holds/restraints) and a video like this emerged it would be easier then to prosecute the officers involved and or blame the instructor that taught them the technique. More accountability.

AbusesToilets · 18-06-2020 12:41pm

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Overheal wrote: »

Clearly he and his posse did instigate those incidents, the NMCG going so far as to admit they “interposed” themselves in the fray

They are also *not* standing by their guy.

https://www.kob.com/albuquerque-news/new-mexico-civil-guard-distances-themselves-from-alleged-shooter/5761996/

Interposed, by way of being present? So it's ok to be violent and destructive, as long as you're with the right group then?

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 18-06-2020 1:03pm

Just a few nice folk harassing/assaulting a lone female with a BLM poster.

https://v.redd.it/9jvx4qov2j551

The guy in this video ripping her poster is being linked to the previous post by overheal (punch in the head Infront of a cop). Bethel Ohio both incidents happened!

biko · 18-06-2020 2:14pm

How to bandwagon

Toy brickmaker Lego paused some advertising for building sets and products including police stations, city police vests
and the White House in light of the ongoing protests following the death in police custody of George Floyd in Minneapolis.

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 18-06-2020 2:52pm

Three people so far..

"Two suspects have been charged in connection with the arson of the Minneapolis Police Department’s (MPD) 3rd Precinct. The station was torched days after the George Floyd was killed by Minneapolis police.

The U.S. Attorney’s Office (USAO) for the District of Minnesota that 26-year-old Bryce Michael Williams of Staples, Minnesota has been charged with the federal crime of conspiracy to commit arson. The USAO said that a masked and baseball cap wearing Williams was taken into custody on Tuesday and appeared in court on Wednesday."

"On Tuesday, United States Attorney Erica H. MacDonald that 22-year-old Breckenridge, Colorado man Dylan Shakespeare Robinson was charged with aiding and abetting the arson of the Third Precinct."

https://lawandcrime.com/george-floyd-death/two-more-suspects-charged-in-the-arson-of-third-precinct-in-minneapolis-days-after-george-floyds-death/

Overheal · 18-06-2020 3:13pm

biko wrote: »

How to bandwagon

Because it’s insensitive because of how those ad impressions work. They’d be accused of profiting off of misery because those sets would be pushed to everyone online talking about all this.

biko · 18-06-2020 3:26pm

I thought maybe it was because they were a brick toy manufacturer and business owners that got their businesses destroyed by rioters throwing bricks would be upset.

Or maybe certain adults can't handle to see an advert right now for Lego White House without melting down.

Tell me how · 18-06-2020 3:42pm

biko wrote: »

I thought maybe it was because they were a brick toy manufacturer and business owners that got their businesses destroyed by rioters throwing bricks would be upset.

Or maybe certain adults can't handle to see an advert right now for Lego White House without melting down.

Speaking of adults who can't hadnle things without a meltdown.

https://twitter.com/rywriggs/status/1272353892165132288

Fair play to the lady in question who just went and made another sign and then came back to this.

https://twitter.com/GirlFarts7/status/1273484640662294529

Both events witnessed by police who didn't feel the need to intervene.

Overheal · 18-06-2020 4:10pm

biko wrote: »

I thought maybe it was because they were a brick toy manufacturer and business owners that got their businesses destroyed by rioters throwing bricks would be upset.

Or maybe certain adults can't handle to see an advert right now for Lego White House without melting down.

Nope, none of those silly reasons. They advertised other brick sets.

Suppose you enjoy seeing Gun adverts after a school shooting and find it in high taste?

biko · 18-06-2020 4:45pm

Or ice-cream adverts after your dad was shot by a ice-cream sales man?

2u2me · 18-06-2020 4:55pm

Interesting interview with Matt Taibbi(journalist) which sums up the very well what's been happening in the uprisings at the newsrooms in the US.

E.g. what happened to Lee Fang at the intercept.

Overheal · 18-06-2020 5:09pm

biko wrote: »

Or ice-cream adverts after your dad was shot by a ice-cream sales man?

Yes. That could be easily construed as insensitive. You wouldn’t see Ben and Jerry’s run a full throated advertising blitz if there was a globally reported wrongful death involving ice cream.

Tell me how · 18-06-2020 5:25pm

2u2me wrote: »

Interesting interview with Matt Taibbi(journalist) which sums up the very well what's been happening in the uprisings at the newsrooms in the US.

E.g. what happened to Lee Fang at the intercept.

THE LEFT!!! THE LEFT, I TELL YOU!!!

2u2me · 19-06-2020 9:44am

If anyone at all was saying this was coming it was Brett Weinstein(evolutionary biologist/brother of Eric) who personally experienced something similiar play out in a microcosm at Evergreen State. I was posting about this very incident long before the death of Floyd. Where does he think this is going?

He's not optimistic
This is unstoppable at this point with this current configuration
Absence of leadership is going to stop us doing what we should do
We are headed for a collision course with history
We are staring at many scenarios that end in civil war
It's still possible to avert that outcome; but he doesn't know what force gets in their way

Foxtrol · 19-06-2020 4:16pm

It is amazing how successful these protests have been in such a short time. Many places show signs that they aren't stopping, even if the national news coverage has moved on.

https://twitter.com/alex_burness/status/1274007371208146950?s=20

George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck [Part 2] (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

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